http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=429 You might want to look at this website. The book of adam may be apocrypha, but I think it gives a more accurate picture of who jesus was.http://members.tripod.com/misticbible/id23.htm
There is no such thing as a trinity, there is One God Jesus! The Bible clearly says to be baptized in The Name Of Jesus, acts 2;38, in other passages it says in theNAME of (note;SINGULAR) The Father, Son And Holy Ghost which happen to be one supreme being. They are titles, the same as brother, uncle, cousin are titles. You can be all 3 and have one name! If they meant in the NAMES of, that is what the Bible would say, I guess they figured people were bright enough to discern this theirself, so they did not have to spell it out all the time, it is common sense, unfortunately a lot of organized religions and the great liar himself have got a lot of people hoodwinked!
Originally posted by vicki horvath
There is no such thing as a trinity, there is One God Jesus! The Bible clearly says to be baptized in The Name Of Jesus, acts 2;38, in other passages it says in theNAME of (note;SINGULAR) The Father, Son And Holy Ghost which happen to be one supreme being. They are titles, the same as brother, uncle, cousin are titles. You can be all 3 and have one name! If they meant in the NAMES of, that is what the Bible would say, I guess they figured people were bright enough to discern this theirself, so they did not have to spell it out all the time, it is common sense, unfortunately a lot of organized religions and the great liar himself have got a lot of people hoodwinked!
So your a apostolic Christian quoting Act 2:38....Do you believe that speaking tongues is a sign of having the Holy Ghost?
Originally posted by cking26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
yes, the bible doesn't say anything about that, but they are three different persons into one.
Originally posted by markie
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Was God talking to himself when he said let us? He is supposed to be talking to jesus and the holy spirit but if they're god than god myst have beeb talking to himself. I wonder if there are any psychiatrists in heaven.
Sense we are all parts of "The One"....we could of been part of the creating also.....Maybe he was talking to the "whole of all there is" which would include us.
Originally posted by mr.smiley
Their was a trinity in early Christianity,but seeing as orthodox Christians realy went against women we ended up with the Father,the Son,and the Holy Ghost.
What if it was....The Mother, the daugher and be filled with the spirit...
Though I guess it would make since that people say Mother Earth, and Father Sky...
One could point to such things as His miracles, but other people have done done miracles, so while this may be indicative, it's not decisive. Of course, the Resurrection was the ultimate vindication of his identity. But of the many things He did, one of the most striking is His forgiving of sin.
The point is, if you do something against me, I have the right to forgive you. However, if you do something against me and somebody else comes along and says, "I forgive you," what kind of cheek is that? The only person who can say that sort of thing meaningfully is God Himself, because sin, even if it is against other people, is first and foremost a defiance of God and his laws.
Every attribute of God, says the New Testament, is found in Jesus Christ:
Omniscience? In John 16:30 the apostle John affirms of Jesus, "Now we can see that you know all things."
Omnipresence? Jesus said in Matthew 28:20, "Surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age" and in Matthew 18:20, "Where two of three comes together in my name, there I am with them."
Omnipotence? "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me," Jesus said in Matthew 28:18.
Eternality? John 1:1 declares of Jesus, "In the beginning was teh Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Immutability? Hebrews 13:8 says, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."
Also, the Old Testament paints a portrait of God by using titles and descriptions as Alpha and Omega, Lord, Savior, King, Judge, Light, Rock, Redeemer, Shepard, Creator, Giver of Life, Forgiver of Sin, and Speaker with Divine Authority. It's fascinating to nate that in the New Testament, each and every one is applied to Jesus Christ.
In a day when MANY have been decieved about the true nature of Jesus Christ, we ought to remember that heaven is not one iota confused about His identity. Understood in the light of Exodus 15 and the song of Moses, this verse makes plain that God whom Moses and the children of Israel addressed in the face of their great earthly victory was none other than Jesus Christ. For confirmation of this fact I quote selected portions of the great psalm.
Then Moses and the Iraelites sang this song to the Lord: "I will sing to the LORD, for he is highly exalted. The horse and its rider he has hurled into the sea. The LORD is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation. He is my God, and I will praise him, my father's God, and I will exalt him. The LORD is a warrior; the LORD is his name.... You will bring them in and plant them on the mountain of your inheritance-the place, O LORD, you made for your dwelling, the sanctuary, O LORD, your hands established. The LORD will reign for ever and ever." Exodus 15:1-3, 17-18
The fact that these saints combine this song and the song of the Lamb can only be explained on the basis that Jesus Christ is Almighty God. The song of Moses and the Lamb in Revelation 15:3-4 clearly identifies Jesus Christ with the attributes of God Himself. No person or created being has ever been addressed like this. Note the characteristics attributed to Him:
1. Creation: "Great and marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty."
2. Justice: "Just and true are your ways."
3. Object of worship: "King of the ages. Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name?"
4. Holiness: "For you alone are holy."
5. Omnipotence and eternity: "All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed."
The most pitiful people in the world are the religionists who, representing modernistic liberlism or the cults and "isms," do not understand who Jesus Christ is. The book of Revelation certainly clarifies His identity, and if for no other reason, it is worthy of study because it does what its introduction predicted. Revelation 1:1 announces "the revelation of Jesus Christ." It is the only book in the world that truly presents Jesus Christ as He really is today.
Jesus answered,... I and My Father are one.' Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. "Jesus answered them, 'Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?' The Jews answered Him, saying, 'For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make yourself God.'" -John 10:25-33
"Philip said to Him, 'Lord show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.' Jesus said to him, 'Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, "Show us the Father"?'" -John 14:8,9
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist." Colossians 1:15-17
"When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, 'Son, your sins are forgiven you.' But some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, 'Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?'" Mark 2:5-7
"Of whom (the Jewish people) are the fathers and from whom, acording to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen." Romans 9:5
"And we know that the Son of God has come and has given understanding, that we may know him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life." 1 John 5:20 John who is an eyewitness of Jesus Christ, makes no hesitation in calling him God!
If you disagree, you are not Christian. Become a member of Islam. You'll fit right in nicely.
Jesus spoke for God, the muslems think that about mohammed but they don't worship him. You didn't post jesus' reaction to the crowd that was going to stone him. He said is it not written in your law I have made ye gods. I don't want to be a muslem In would rather be a christian heritic like debbiejo.
Markie
"Jesus answered,... 'I and My Father are one.' Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, 'Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?' The Jews answered Him, saying, 'For good works we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God." John 10:25-33
If you do not wish to be a Muslim, while denying the core beliefs of Christianity, maybe you should reevaluate your position on religion all together?
Jesus Christ was a Gnostic. Gnosticism is the path of directly experiencing the Divine as the path to salvation. Mysticism, Gnosticism and the Jewish Kabbalah are all very similar. Their path to God is to look for God within ourselves. If we take the view that God is within everything, that nature and the universe is the very embodiment of God, then our own inner Self is the most accessible point for experiencing an all-pervading Supreme Reality. This Gnostic view is powerfully presented by Jesus in Luke 17:20-21:
"And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! , lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."
Luke 17:20-21, KJV
The word “within” as it appears in the King James Bible has been translated in some modern bibles as “among.” These interpreters believe Jesus intended to say he himself was among them. However, this does not tally with preceding statements in the passage. Jesus says the kingdom of God cannot be observed. Therefore, Jesus could not have been talking about himself. He was observable. Jesus says the kingdom of God is not a place. It is neither “here” nor “there”. Thus Jesus could not have been referring to himself. We must take all physical descriptions of the kingdom, such as streets paved with gold and pearly gates, as metaphors because these things can be “observed.”
God is love and love comes from our own heart further underscoring the truth that we must look within ourselves to find God. If, according to Gnosticism, the kingdom of God is to be found within our own being then who or what is God according to the New Testament? God is love (1 John 4:8 and 4:16). Love is not observable and so love complies with Jesus’ advice that the kingdom of God does not come by observation. Love comes from the great sun of infinite life and bubbles up through the wellspring of our own inner heart. We will never directly experience love anywhere but in our own heart.
In the following scripture we read Jesus speaking of the Spirit of truth as being within us.
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14:17, KJV
Unfortunately, Constantine sided with the hierarchy of priests and bishops. Now they had the Roman Empire at their disposal and dispatched it to eradicate Gnosticism. When the book burning was ordered, some Gnostic Christians hid existing scriptures in burial urns hoping that God would one day return them to the world. Many of these lost scriptures resurfaced on October 4, 1946, when a sheepherder discovered them. The scrolls were found buried in a three-foot tall clay urn in a cave near Nag Hammadi, Egypt. Since then these scriptures have been called the Nag Hammadi Library and they are now available to anyone who cares to go exploring.