Trinity or not.

debbiejo

You need to divorce yourself from Christian cult websites. Xavaier Gay Witch? And you actually put stock in it. Unreal.

Originally posted by ushomefree
debbiejo

You need to divorce yourself from Christian cult websites. Xavaier Gay Witch? And you actually put stock in it. Unreal.

That was only the first site I pulled up to find something quick....I have many books and have done much research on the topic......

Besides heretics like me are drawn to cults......It's called looking outside the box.....Looking at all the views, study them and then become something very much multi dimensional....

BTW....99 percent of my friends are Christians that live in small boxes....I go and visit....I bring gifts even.

If you're saying jesus said he is God in that passage that can be disproven. If you're saying jesus is the Son of God that may or may not be true but what about the sons of god in the old testament?
34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
The judges were called gods and since hebrew had no capital letters at that time jesus said he was the son of god. So was David, so were the neptilion in genesis 6 before thee flood.

35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
He said I am the son of god, but according to one theory the sons of Seth were called sons of god and according to the other theory the devil spirits were the sons of god. So jesus was either a man or he was a devil spirit, but he wasn't God.

Originally posted by ushomefree
debbiejo

You need to divorce yourself from Christian cult websites. Xavaier Gay Witch? And you actually put stock in it. Unreal.

Cult websites?Since when is recored history considered to belong to a cult?And don't ever forget,at one time orthodox christians where considered a cult.

debbiejo

Multidimensional? Okay... when you research any given topic, you need to posses the ability to interpret fact from fiction. One way to aid in your efforts, is to understand and access the credibility of the source. There are unlimited numbers of websites dedicated to the religions and philosophies of the world. If you conduct research properly, at some point, you will have turn off the computer and purchase a few books written by subject matter experts. If you are willing, and interested in learning about the stock market and the most effective ways to compile a portfolio, consider buying a book written by Warren Buffet, and refrain from deprived sources of information. Religion is no different. And, it seems to me, that you buy into Christian websites that distort the truth and meaning behind scripture. I do not have all the answers surrounding Christianity. But, engaging in conversation over deep seeded issues on this forum will not bring resolution to any belief system. And either will secluded websites that claim secret information and missing links to Christianity or Jesus Christ for the matter. They are lame by their strongest definition. No pun intended. Despite all the negative remarks about websites, (if you must), fair and balanced sources are avaliable. Below is one example. You will clearly see the difference.

www.irr.org/yamauchi.html

markie

Simple question. Who is to return during latter portion of the Great Tribulation described in the book of Revelation?

mr. smiley

Cults derive from host religions, not the other way around. Christianity is based on the historicity of Jesus Christ. Not all history is reliable. There is better historical documentation for Jesus than for the founder of any other ancient religion. Sources from OUTSIDE the Bible corroborate that many people believed Jesus performed healings and was the Messiah, that he was crucified, and that despite His shameful death, His followers, who believed He was still alive, worshiped Him as God. And, there are thirty-nine ancient sources that corroborate more than 100 facts concerning Jesus' life, teachings, crucifixion, and resurrection. Seven secular sources and several early creeds concern the deity of Jesus, a doctrine definitely present in the earliest church. Even the book of Koran has scripture dedicated to Jesus Christ.

The biggest thing we have of a historical Christ (that wasn't later added by Eusbeius) was 50 years after his supposed death and comes from Tacitus.The problem is Tactius' information is not accurate on the source.He calls Pilate the procurator of Judea when he was actualy the prefect.

The best actual history we have of Christianity comes from Paul.In his authentic letters (the church admitted to forging most),Paul never referst to Jesus in a historical text.Even more amazing is that Paul tells us he never met Christ,but a being of light.In one letter he even tells us the secret is "Christ is in you".Paul even goes as far as to tell us if Jesus would have been on earth he wouldn't (or would have can't recall) ben a rabbi.He never says when Jesus was on earth.

the only difference between Jesus and the rest of the religious figures of the past is that jesus is God in the flesh while the rest were just human.

the only difference between Jesus and the rest of the religious figures of the past is that jesus is God in the flesh while the rest were just human.

Originally posted by ushomefree
debbiejo

Multidimensional? Okay... when you research any given topic, you need to posses the ability to interpret fact from fiction. One way to aid in your efforts, is to understand and access the credibility of the source. There are unlimited numbers of websites dedicated to the religions and philosophies of the world. If you conduct research properly, at some point, you will have turn off the computer and purchase a few books written by subject matter experts. If you are willing, and interested in learning about the stock market and the most effective ways to compile a portfolio, consider buying a book written by Warren Buffet, and refrain from deprived sources of information. Religion is no different. And, it seems to me, that you buy into Christian websites that distort the truth and meaning behind scripture. I do not have all the answers surrounding Christianity. But, engaging in conversation over deep seeded issues on this forum will not bring resolution to any belief system. And either will secluded websites that claim secret information and missing links to Christianity or Jesus Christ for the matter. They are lame by their strongest definition. No pun intended. Despite all the negative remarks about websites, (if you must), fair and balanced sources are avaliable. Below is one example. You will clearly see the difference.
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I've read all the books from the Right Arm of Babylon (Christian Book Store). I have a library that's toooooo large filled with many different religious, historical amongst other topics....I don't get all my knowledge from web sites...only refer to them when in a hurry and don't feel like fetching one of my books....I feel I am balanced when I post my opinion on a topic that I know something about....I am not ignorant if that is what your trying to imply......When I say I'm multi dimensional....I'm saying I look at all the possibilities.....Maybe you should step out of your box, and take in the view.....

Originally posted by cking
the only difference between Jesus and the rest of the religious figures of the past is that jesus is God in the flesh while the rest were just human.

Osiris,Mithra,and Attis were also God made flesh.

cking will you at least read this....http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm

so you are saying Jesus is not God. then who is he if he wasn't, you tell me? can anyone take beatings like him? can anyone teach like him?

many religions like Horus can take stuff out of the bible and turn into a different teachings. many religions have figures who try to get the teachings of Jesus and change it to sound like they are both the same. But none of the apostles said they went listened to other people. they said they were witnesses to his death and teachings and wrote them down. this Horus could have been written after Jesus even through it was written before, but you never know they could lie about the years.

then who is he if he wasn't, you tell me? can anyone take beatings like him? can anyone teach like him?

not ordinary and not a delusion, people would die if they were beaten like him and so they kept beating him because he simply wouldn't die until he got on the cross.

peopel have had worse torutre than that this jesus got and lived to tell the tale, he was ordinary nothing there to say otherwise, no proof of his alleged divinity but his followers belief in it

Originally posted by cking
many religions like Horus can take stuff out of the bible and turn into a different teachings.

But Horus came first.......The Bible copied that story....not the other way around.

Originally posted by debbiejo
But Horus came first.......The Bible copied that story....not the other way around.

Many parts of the bible can be traced to older stories. See Gilgamesh...

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/GILG.HTM

Thanks for that one.....just save it to my favs......didn't have that one.

READ CKING....READ!!!!!

the apostles didn't say they copied it but witnessed the things of Jesus and if was a false teachings then Jesus was a made of character and both of us would be doomed. when Pilate had Jesus in his room, he said to Jesus that he has the key to life and death over him, but Jesus said, you don't have nothing over me but only the father of up above. It wasn't people hurting him it was God and he determined his son's death. God used the Romans to whip him because of sin and every whip was like sin itself. Jesus suffered both physically and spiritually. I read that information but still it lacks alot and jesus warned of false teachings and false religions. jesus could be saying this to Horus. people want you to think that it was written before jesus and want you to think that the new testament is a lie and tell you jesus was a made up character and his death was in vain. Trying to read this Horus is too confusing and it only hurts a person and it takes away the real truth from that person. people can't be naive and believe everything and if so then people will never find success because they try and believe stuff not told in the bible. all believers should understand the bible only and not from regular people who don't believe and say they know the real truth.