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Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Good point.

Believing in one God could cause conflict...exactly how much depends on who's involved. The conflict in the past has come from people who didn't have a real relationship with the Spirit of Jesus...and this is evident from the extreme amount of violence and bloodshed that's been seen.

Having Jesus in your life would make it virtually impossible to be a part of such acts. Not to say that people who I consider are true Christians are perfect or will be exactly like Christ, but it is almost impossible that they could bring themselves to partake in the atrocities coming from other so-called "Christians" in the past.

Just to be clear again, there have been tons of people who have worn the cross, served the church, and shed blood in the name of God in the past...but these people just were just Christians by identity. They did indeed push their one-God belief on others...but that's not the way to spread the good news.

Having a personal relationship with Jesus is what eventually turns you into a Christ follower...not following simply His word or teachings. When someone has accepted Christ into their lives, sinful things gradually become unappealing. That's what's amazing about the experience. And the reason that stuff becomes unappealing is because you are becoming more like Christ, and there is less and less attraction to anything sinful (as opposed to how it was with our old selves)...wild, but true.

However, I think you're being historically unfair. Those "Christians only by identity" felt (or probably felt) the exact same way that you do. They are following Christ and God, doing exactly what they felt was most importnat to your god. Christianity is only an identity. They might exculde you as quickly as you excluded them, yet you both feel the same.

Whose right and whose wrong? I have my solution, but its not really rpoductive in this thread.

Am I biases that I'm an Atheist yes, does that mean that I hold my beliefs over others no, hell my wife is Catholic and I was married in a Catholic church. I don't believe in God or any religion or supernatural because I show it to be full of flaws, contradictions and lack of proof. If that makes be biases in your eyes then so be it.

Atheism is the pimp daddy of flaws. The whole basis of a once purified philosophy has just turned into a label used as an excuse to bash religion. It's pathetic. It makes me want to puke. How can you call yourself atheist when you can't even follow the philosophy?

You're supposed to help fellow man. An atheists job is not to bash religion. You're always talking about how much murder the church performed or how bad they are.

Funny, all the atheists do is criticize the church and kill religious people. How wondrous.

I don't have to, you do it by your own words.

Shitty rhetoric proves nothing.

Therefore, you have proved nothing.

Moving on.

And neither do you, did I ever say that Atheist can't be hypocrites, the answer is no. Your point is that Stalin was an Atheist and killed in the name of Atheism which is false. In order to be an Atheist you can't believe in a god, spirits or the kind, you don't believe in a higher power at all and Stalin did. If anything he would be classified as an Agnostic than an Atheist. I have never said one was better than the other in this debate.

Yes, I do hold the position to call what I please hypocritical. I am not atheist. I do not believe in God.

You said Atheists can't be hypocrites?

They aren't.

Oh, but they are.

I never said Stalin killed in the name of Atheism, but he did not believe in religion and he wanted to bring down the religious powers in his country to bring power for himself.

^ A description, if you didn't pick up on it. Stalin was an Atheist.

Stalin DID NOT believe any sort of God existed. Go pick up a high school level textbook and read for yourself.

So what so have Muslims, Buddhist and most other major religions as well as non-major religions and Agnostics and Atheists I have never said other wise. Pretty much every religious set on this planet has killed in the name of their god, spirit or whatever; yes there have been killings over idea, money and power. Just because Bush is religious does that mean that Iraq is a holy war as well? Stalin wanted to destroy religion not to just destroy religion but that he believed that they had to much power of his country and he wanted to be the only true power (to paraphrase)

That makes Stalin no better than the religious, by the way.

I am talking about the two hundred million murders by the Atheists that DID NOT count to money, wealth or power. They killed TO BRING DOWN religion. Karl Marx, Stalin ... All killed because of a hatred against religion.

They aren't. They killed in the name of their beliefs. That's my point.

They ARE hypocrites. They killed because they don't like religion. They performed hundreds of megamurders because they despised religion. They're no better than those who kill FOR it. This makes them hypocrites. Learn this.

The difference is if your belief system says do not kill and then it says that it is OK to kill that is not being a hypocrite?

Yet, Atheists complain about religious people killing ... So then they kill those said religious entities? Same shit, different pile. Learn that.

Happy now

Still waiting to see where I said RELIGIOUS GENOCIDE was better. You just quoted an irrelevant statement.

To answer you, I'm not quite happy yet. I said it was WORSE there, not better.

Try harder. Lol.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I honestly thought I had replied...oh well. That's why I suggested you should point out what you wanted to discuss again.

2nd chance...

No, no, no. That's not how it works. My debate is back there if you feel like you want to man up and actually retort my arguments.

Originally posted by ThePittman
Don't worry he talks like that to everyone because he is so "superior" 😉

I'm superior?

Well, thank you.

Actually, you're ""superior."" (just wanted to emphasize the quotes for ya)

That has so much BS in it that I'm not even going to bother quoting it. Your lack of knowledge of Atheism is astounding as well as your reason. 😆

This one deserves quoting again because it is so ludicrous.

Originally posted by Sorgo X
Actually, if you even attempted to read the links I provided, these dictators killed AGAINST religion. They killed millions of civilians who believed in god and stomped those who oppose them.

They're no better ... Actually, they're worse than religious killings.

And what makes you think that I go out of my way to "bash" religion, what proof do you have? I only respond when people start trying to preach to me about their beliefs when I haven't asked for it.

Just because I married a Catholic woman and got married in the church doesn't mean that I don't follow my own views, it means that it was important to my wife and here family and it doesn't bother me and I wanted to make her happy.

Originally posted by Alliance
However, I think you're being historically unfair. Those "Christians only by identity" felt (or probably felt) the exact same way that you do. They are following Christ and God, doing exactly what they felt was most importnat to your god. Christianity is only an identity. They might exculde you as quickly as you excluded them, yet you both feel the same.

Whose right and whose wrong? I have my solution, but its not really rpoductive in this thread.

True Christians aren't called to live moral lives...they're called to live supernatural lives where their very being is transformed. The life that flows out of someone who is connected with Christ is Christ's very life...that's His whole promise to us.

You say that there have been people who followed Christ and God and did exactly what they felt was most important to their god. Thing is...I'm saying that if you really have given your life to Christ, then causing wars, raping women, and robbing banks is just not something you would "feel" is important to God or consider God is leading you to do.

As I said...the miracle of knowing Jesus is that you become like him, and stuff like what I mentioned just essentially begins to more or less repulse you...and it's because it's not really even you anymore...it's Jesus. He's your new identity.

P.S.

I know some of the stuff I'm saying must sound whack, but my biggest complaint when I became a Christian was..."WHY HADN'T ANYONE EVER TOLD ME IT WAS ACTUALLY REAL!"

I always thought Christians were people who simply just believed in something...either because they needed a crutch or were brainwashed. I didn't hate them or anything, I just thought they were kinda stupid.

But nobody ever mentioned that there was an actual EXPERIENCE that's involved with being a Christian...and that it was a real-life thing that was changing their lives...changing them into better people....and that they knew lots of others who were also experiencing the same thing.

Then I woulda started thinkin...either there's something to this whole Jesus stuff, or there's a lot more schizophrenics in this world than I previously thought.

Things is though...it's actually real.

Schizophrenics think it is real too 😉

That has so much BS in it that I'm not even going to bother quoting it. Your lack of knowledge of Atheism is astounding as well as your reason. laughing

It's funny how you try to degrade someone out of ignorance. If you're going to make a claim, back it up or shut up. Simple.

This one deserves quoting again because it is so ludicrous.

Watch me totally stump you. This is going to be FUN, FUN, FUN!!!

So how is a religious genocide better?

They're no better ... Actually, they're worse than religious killings.

If something is worse than another that means the other is better.

Yes, and to answer your question: Quantity.

One word, three syllables. QUANTITY.

Catholicisms destruction list peaks around fifty to sixty million while Atheism soars around two hundred million.

I was speaking figuratively when I said that it was worse. Of course none is LITERALLY better because people are dying, but the point I was making is when atheists complain about how much damaged religion has done when Atheism has claimed way more lives going against religion itself.

THAT'S what makes Atheists hypocrites, Pittman. If you cannot see this, your bias is just too much. You're turning a blind eye to how hypocritical Atheists really are. Both sides of the fence are hypocritical. I am trying to speak rationality, but ...

Prejudice leaves no room for rationality, and this is why you'll continue to actually miss my point.

And what makes you think that I go out of my way to "bash" religion, what proof do you have?

You're babbling about how "hideous" religious crimes have been and how hypocritical they are. That's essentially bashing religion. You continue to ignore how Atheism has done the exact same thing, expect on a LARGER scale, ironically enough.

I only respond when people start trying to preach to me about their beliefs when I haven't asked for it.

You responded and I never preached to you about my beliefs. You've contradicted yourself. How overly embarrassing is that for you, Pittman?

Just because I married a Catholic woman and got married in the church doesn't mean that I don't follow my own views, it means that it was important to my wife and here family and it doesn't bother me and I wanted to make her happy.

You going to explain what this has to do with anything?

Naturally, I can understand where you're coming from.

But yeah, what the hell does that have to do with jack shit?

Originally posted by Sorgo X
It's funny how you try to degrade someone out of ignorance. If you're going to make a claim, back it up or shut up. Simple.

Watch me totally stump you. This is going to be FUN, FUN, FUN!!!

Yes, and to answer your question: Quantity.

One word, three syllables. QUANTITY.

Catholicisms destruction list peaks around fifty to sixty million while Atheism soars around two hundred million.

I was speaking figuratively when I said that it was worse. Of course none is LITERALLY better because people are dying, but the point I was making is when atheists complain about how much damaged religion has done when Atheism has claimed way more lives going against religion itself.

THAT'S what makes Atheists hypocrites, Pittman. If you cannot see this, your bias is just too much. You're turning a blind eye to how hypocritical Atheists really are. Both sides of the fence are hypocritical. I am trying to speak rationality, but ...

Prejudice leaves no room for rationality, and this is why you'll continue to actually miss my point.

You're babbling about how "hideous" religious crimes have been and how hypocritical they are. That's essentially bashing religion. You continue to ignore how Atheism has done the exact same thing, expect on a LARGER scale, ironically enough.

You responded and I never preached to you about my beliefs. You've contradicted yourself. How overly embarrassing is that for you, Pittman?

You going to explain what this has to do with anything?

Naturally, I can understand where you're coming from.

But yeah, what the hell does that have to do with jack shit?

So if quantity (which you have made no reference to in the statement that I quoted) is your criteria for WORSE that someone that killed 101 people is worse than someone that killed 100? So you once said that a killer is a killer so it doesn't and shouldn't matter the number but the simple fact that they did kill, each are as bad as the other. I have proven that you were wrong and now you are trying to back it up with BS. You just keep falling back on name calling and tying to belittle my view because what I have said is the truth.

You were the one that started preaching this, no one else was taking about it you came out of the blue like you normally do and shoot your mouth off with some irrelevant garbage. Doesn't it even accrue to you in all of these debate that I have seen you in NO ONE has ever supported your position. While yes the is a fallacy (which you seem so fond of) but it is also a very valid point. I could show you that 2 + 2 = 4 but being that it comes from me you will think it is wrong and switch topic and misdirect the argument.

I do enjoy debating with someone and it is enjoyable, hell even when they prove me wrong but you my good sir is like trying to debate with the local town drunk. It's just not fun and pointless and quite tiresome. So have a nice day.

[insert bs] Sorgo X [/insert bs]

HI..wavey

Originally posted by Bigga Nigga420
HI..wavey

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I can see where you're coming from. But that's the thing though...Christianity is not just an identity!

True Christians aren't called to live moral lives...they're called to live supernatural lives where their very being is transformed. The life that flows out of someone who is connected with Christ is Christ's very life...that's His whole promise to us.

But there is some living element to it. Why present all the parables about good works if we are to only focus on the supernatural? It seems to be that Jesus was first and formost a good neighbor.

If Christianity was only about the afterlife, why just not simple end life and "ascend."

If humans are flawed from creation, then God will only admit those who tried to become Christ into heaven. Since this cannot actually be achieved, there is a grey area here.

To me, the Bible is much more clear that works are the way in which we emulate Christ. By emulating Christs actions here on earth, we become more spiritually pure.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
You say that there have been people who followed Christ and God and did exactly what they felt was most important to their god. Thing is...I'm saying that if you really have given your life to Christ, then causing wars, raping women, and robbing banks is just not something you would "feel" is important to God or consider God is leading you to do.

Yeah, but these feelings are yours alone.

If I took my son up to the top of my apartment building. Strapped him down and raised my knife to slit his throat....yoiu'd try to stop me. I'm a criminal.

But you don't know that I'm Abraham, and this is my son Issac. Faith is yours alone. People don't experience things in the same way. Now, maybe if there were gods on Earth, they could answer questions for us about what they actually intended, but we go on ancient history. People's ideas about what being a good Christian have changed over time, even within the same movements. If I'm accurately guessing approximately where you fall in the Christian spectrum, your movement revolutionaized itseld 90 years ago and all its teachings changed.

I find it impossible to say "this is the right way" and "this is the wrong way" when no one group can really back up its claim more than any other.

Sure we can point out errors in the past, but I think its silly to claim that Christians in the past weren't real Christians or didn't feel the same things you felt. We know the did. They write like you do.

Originally posted by ThePittman
Irrelevant, you still have no understanding of what an Atheist is and that is the backbone of your argument so anything else you have to contribute is pointless.

👆

GOD is not science! and if you want the joy of Jesus then you truly have to except him into your hart

Originally posted by ThePittman
Irrelevant, you still have no understanding of what an Atheist is and that is the backbone of your argument so anything else you have to contribute is pointless.

It's like going through your posts and not even fully comprehending sentences structures. I can just ... Pick up on what you're posting. It's humorous and textbook.

Here:

It's funny how you try to degrade someone out of ignorance. If you're going to make a claim, back it up or shut up. Simple.

So if quantity (which you have made no reference to in the statement that I quoted) is your criteria for WORSE that someone that killed 101 people is worse than someone that killed 100? So you once said that a killer is a killer so it doesn't and shouldn't matter the number but the simple fact that they did kill, each are as bad as the other.

Your comparison shows more bias. You see, over 75% more murders is a large number. It leaves an Atheist no position to criticize a religious person. If they do on this particular matter (WHAT I STATED ON MY OPENING POST) it would make them a hypocrite. Hah, you even tried arguing that, until your shoddy retort got curbstomped into china.

Exactly! Each are as bad as the other. I pointed this out at first, but then you tried to go on about how hideous catholic murders were in some pathetic attempt to wipe the Atheist's slate clean. Didn't work, and this is where I introduced quantity and WHY I introduced quantity.

You're purposely trying to lead on after your own mistakes. I explain this when I called you prejudice because you were simply being prejudice. You ignored it and tried to point out how I brought numbers in as some device against you and now you're claiming they somehow don't matter.

I can throw fruits in a basket too, Pittman. It's not hard. The difference is; Instead of embarrassing myself, I'm going to embarrass you even more than you've already done to yourself.

I have proven that you were wrong and now you are trying to back it up with BS. You just keep falling back on name calling and tying to belittle my view because what I have said is the truth.

No, you're just labelling the diarrhea that flows out of your mouth as truth without providing proof. If you play the fence, I'll break the foundation.

Read:

I don’t need reasons to “bash” religion they give me enough on their own.

Oooooh, Irony at it's finest. You're essentially bashing religion in this instance. Hehehe.

Atheist and I have never heard anyone saying that but it doesn’t mean that it hasn’t been said. What I’m referring to is that religions hold themselves to be on the moral high ground and the keeper of virtues when they have throughout history committed some of the most hideous crimes against humanity and on a regular basis tries to cover this up.

You're highlighted how hideous religious murders have been. Prejudice, you ignored Atheism. You also sought meaningless reason for a foundation to support your prejudice. Saddening.

The main reason any war is started is because of religion, money or power.

You purposely leave out philosophy. You've showed prejudice.

You've done nothing but told me how you've told me all these truths and these rational statements on how you're in the right.

WRONG!

You're not. You cannot call religion worse (Which is what you virtually began to do in previous instances of your posting patterns) because atheists have simply killed more people. It's that simple. It doesn't matter how bad religion has killed people. You can't have your say. Why? You follow a philosophy that topped religion on the very topic you made a decision to criticize. A contradiction in a nutshell, I'd say.

You were the one that started preaching this, no one else was taking about it you came out of the blue like you normally do and shoot your mouth off with some irrelevant garbage.

Irrelevant garbage? Have you not learned anything throughout life? I'd think you'd be old enough to hold some experience and make a rational judgment call. Then again, I'm not all that surprised.

I didn't preach, so you can immediately drop the ignorance you seem so eager to push upon me. I expressed my opinion and my first comment to what EPIIIBITES had said? Here:

Originally posted by Sorgo X
They're actually about the same, honestly.

Oh no!

Looky!

He was mouthing religion off, and as bad as it is, he showed no respect so I expressed my opinion about his hypocrisy. Simple concept; ONE YOU CAN'T SEEM TO GRASP.

It seems the one who came in here and began running their mouth could possibly be ...

Well ...

YOU.

Originally posted by ThePittman
The main reason any war is started is because of religion, money or power. Yes governments IE dictators have killed many but religions governments have done the same but the point is that even many dictators including Stalin were religious people that believed in god.

Your reason and references are very flawed and skip over many important facts.

Houston, we have a HYPOCRITE.

Hahaha.

Doesn't it even accrue to you in all of these debate that I have seen you in NO ONE has ever supported your position. While yes the is a fallacy (which you seem so fond of) but it is also a very valid point. I could show you that 2 + 2 = 4 but being that it comes from me you will think it is wrong and switch topic and misdirect the argument.

While yes the is a fallacy (which you seem so fond of)

HAHAHA! Why, thank you for saving me some time.

I seriously just laughed out loud and I've never done that when debating someone.

Like, Wow. You should just leave now while you still hold onto a shred dignity.

I do enjoy debating with someone and it is enjoyable, hell even when they prove me wrong but you my good sir is like trying to debate with the local town drunk. It's just not fun and pointless and quite tiresome. So have a nice day.

[insert bs] Sorgo X [/insert bs] [/B]

It's funny how you try to degrade someone out of ignorance. If you're going to make a claim, back it up or shut up. Simple.

Child's play, per usual.

Originally posted by Bigga Nigga420
GOD is not science! and if you want the joy of Jesus then you truly have to except him into your hart

well ya but you can't try to find him or get where or what he is or if he is real or not with science!

Originally posted by Bigga Nigga420
well ya but you can't try to find him or get where or what he is or if he is real or not with science!

Um...

that confused me to lo my bad just forget that I said that! sadangel

Originally posted by Bigga Nigga420
that confused me to lo my bad just forget that I said that! sadangel

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