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Originally posted by Sorgo X
They're actually about the same, honestly.

I love it when Atheists complain about Catholics or Muslims killing the most people or killing people for going against them when:

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM
http://frankwarner.typepad.com/free_frank_warner/2006/05/dictatorships_d.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_toll#Genocide_and_democide

Sure, the Catholics killed around 4 mill to 5 mill in the crusades, killed 70K in the Roman Inquisition, 30K in the Spanish Inquisition and another mill in the Medieval Inquisition.

And yeah, the Muslims bumped off over five hundred thousand people during the medieval ages.

But honestly, what tops over [b]262 million deaths during dictatorships during the medieval ages that were sorely against religion? (This includes Stalin, outside of MA.)

I don't know. Jeez.

That's just ONE single instance where Atheists are hypocrites. I won't get into everything; Don't have time to sit in front of my PC for days. [/B]

😆 Go back to bed before you hurt yourself.

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Alliance you gatta hook me up with a sig..

Originally posted by Sorgo X
No, you're looking for more excuses to bash religion. I could say there was a lot of things I didn't go over when it came to X and Y, Pittman.

Stalin believed in god? This is news to me. Is this top secret classified information only you know?

I didn't think so.

Karl Marx wasn't religious either and he packed down a pretty nice sized dent in that atheist murder number you're glancing at.

Same with polish dictators during the dark/medieval ages (NOT INCLUDED IN THE 262 MILL I LISTED) that weren't religion and prayed upon those who were during their plots to dominate as much land as possible.

This is smelling like GDF to me.

Originally posted by Thorinn
This is smelling like GDF to me.

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Originally posted by G U I T A R
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Originally posted by G U I T A R
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Originally posted by Sorgo X
They're actually about the same, honestly.

I love it when Atheists complain about Catholics or Muslims killing the most people or killing people for going against them when...

a) Then you're reducing the value of a life to a number, which kinda defeats the point.

b) Atheists aren't going around guilt tripping people to follow atheism in the first place, claiming it's the way to peace and harmony.

c) People still see the terrors of religion today, and really don't have any reason to believe any kind of argument you put forth that organized religion has ANYTHING good to offer the world.

Please don't stick up for religion...you'll lose the battle, because the most extreme religionists are losers.

The Son of God didn't come here to tell people to conquer lands, gain power, and forcefully convert others. He came here to say that we should be servants of each other, reach out to the marginalized, and turn the other cheek.

And the coolest thing about all this is, is that God then gave us the Holy Spirit because he knows we just aren't capable of doing those things ourselves...so then WAMO, you start transforming into a different person.

That's worth sticking up for, not religion.

Originally posted by ThePittman
I read somewhere that he was a member of the Russian Orthodox Church, but this was awhile ago so I could be wrong but that still doesn’t mean that blaming religion for some of the greatest atrocities is wrong and that it is being a hypocrite. When the corner belief of most major religions is that killing is wrong but wholesale slaughter of another religious set is OK in the name of god is being a hypocrite. I don’t need reasons to “bash” religion they give me enough on their own.

So, killing people because it's AGAINST the name of god (This is by your logic here) eliminates hypocrisy? No, I don't think so.

I read almost everywhere that he wasn't a religious man. Weird.

Atheists can't say nothing when it comes to massive slaughter and even some other factors. They're almost on the same level.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I'm sorry, but I'm afraid there's not a lot to support with what you're ultimately trying to say. The last thing you wanna do if you're trying to defend religion is compare death tolls, because...

No, it is not the last thing I want to do.

a) Then you're reducing the value of a life to a number, which kinda defeats the point.

Irrelevant. It doesn't matter. We're comparing statistics, not a life to a number.

b) Atheists aren't going around guilt tripping people to follow atheism in the first place, claiming it's the way to peace and harmony.

Some atheists do. How? By bashing religion itself. Hah, alot of my family members have even said:

"Why do you even believe it god? It's so damn phony!"

My family is ignorant because:

A) I don't believe in God.

B) Nothing shows that I do.

Guilt tripping and straight up bashing something are both manipulative and sneaky ways to get someone to believe something of their choice.

c) People still see the terrors of religion today, and really don't have any reason to believe any kind of argument you put forth that organized religion has ANYTHING good to offer the world.

Atheism, which has killed over two hundred million people, has something good to offer the world ... HOW?

Religion has killed MANY people. I won't disagree with you, but atheism has no position to bash a religion when they hold the record.

Stop being biased. You're just sorely picking at religion. You can barely find a reason and the philosophy you follow has done the very same acts AND TO A WORSE DEGREE.

Please don't stick up for religion...you'll lose the battle, because the most extreme religionists are losers.

Too bad I'm not and too bad your argument is crumbling so bad, you've resorted to do nothing but call me a loser and tell me how bad I'm losing instead of actually MAKING me lose.

Test me on this one. I'm begging you.

The Son of God didn't come here to tell people to conquer lands, gain power, and forcefully convert others. He came here to say that we should be servants of each other, reach out to the marginalized, and turn the other cheek.

Naturally, man hasn't lived up to that potential. Why? They aren't CAPABLE. It was never a problem with god. It was always a problem with man.

If god exists, man still didn't live up to a bold potential and they failed miserably for those who have not followed him.

If god doesn't exist, humans have nothing to blame and they've failed miserably STILL because they can't even stand on their own two feet and properly govern a single planet. (Speaking generally on "Govern", naturally.)

No, the ideals of god aren't perfect (If they do exist) and they are flawed.

What were you expecting: Someone to come down here and fix you and everyone elses f*cked up life? Everybody wants something or nothing.

Maybe god has just forsaken us if he does exist. I know I'd forsaken us.

And the coolest thing about all this is, is that God then gave us the Holy Spirit because he knows we just aren't capable of doing those things ourselves...so then WAMO, you start transforming into a different person.

Care to elaborate on that vague point of yours?

That's worth sticking up for, not religion.

Nah, I'd say atheism is about as worthless as a crack whore.

Originally posted by Sorgo X
So, killing people because it's AGAINST the name of god (This is by your logic here) eliminates hypocrisy? No, I don't think so.

I read almost everywhere that he wasn't a religious man. Weird.

Atheists can't say nothing when it comes to massive slaughter and even some other factors. They're almost on the same level.

There is no way to truly calculate how many people have been killed based on religion, power or money because you would have to have the reason why each person who actually did the killing and the reason why. If Stalin commanded his troops to kill in the name of his country it is still up to the solider to do the killing and why, some will do it because they are “good” soldiers and following orders others would believe Stalin is on a higher purpose and in communion with god or others just like to kill in either way that would skew the numbers you have given.

Originally posted by Sorgo X
Nah, I'd say atheism is about as worthless as a crack whore.

Originally posted by ThePittman
[B]You have brought up the idea that Atheist believes that religious beliefs have killed more people then them; well this is new to me for I’m an Atheist and I have never heard anyone saying that but it doesn’t mean that it hasn’t been said.

You don't know how many times I've heard atheists go postal about "Ooooooh, Catholics killed so many in the crusades, Muslims destroying hundreds of thousands in the MA."

Yeah, it's too bad atheism has claimed the most lives. Yikes, eh?

What I’m referring to is that religions hold themselves to be on the moral high ground and the keeper of virtues when they have throughout history committed some of the most hideous crimes against humanity and on a regular basis tries to cover this up.

Of course they have, but you're showing prejudice and prejudice does not leave room for rationality.

Tell me: What's the difference between killing and saying you have a set moral standard ... And killing because you're just killing?

Honestly. They both killed people IN THE NAME OF THEIR BELIEFS. Atheists are hypocrites themselves.

Atheists are NO DIFFERENT so stop trying to classify them as so.

No this is hypocrisy in its finest, if Stalin was an Atheist which I don’t think so but more of an Agnostic then it would be his own personal belief system and if his system of values says that killing religious people is right then it is not hypocrisy.

Of course it is! Jesus, Pittman.

X believes in catholicism, so he kills in it's name.
Y believes in atheism, so he kills in it's name.

Sorry, but If you kill what you believe in, you're a killer.

Stalin is a killer nonetheless. He just happened to be atheist. SURPRISE!

There is no way to truly calculate how many people have been killed based on religion, power or money because you would have to have the reason why each person who actually did the killing and the reason why.

Actually, if you even attempted to read the links I provided, these dictators killed AGAINST religion. They killed millions of civilians who believed in god and stomped those who oppose them.

They're no better ... Actually, they're worse than religious killings.

If Stalin commanded his troops to kill in the name of his country it is still up to the solider to do the killing and why, some will do it because they are “good” soldiers and following orders others would believe Stalin is on a higher purpose and in communion with god or others just like to kill in either way that would skew the numbers you have given.

What makes religion any better?

You're just proving how biased you are. Every time I point something out about the atheists, you switch to religion. You're purposely avoiding consequence to even aid your point. It's saddening.

Hey everybody look at me im a baptist we hate you catholics and mormons and stinky jews and what not,lets get them niggers dur

Originally posted by Sorgo X
You don't know how many times I've heard atheists go postal about "Ooooooh, Catholics killed so many in the crusades, Muslims destroying hundreds of thousands in the MA."

Yeah, it's too bad atheism has claimed the most lives. Yikes, eh?

Originally posted by Sorgo X
Of course they have, but you're showing prejudice and prejudice does not leave room for rationality.

Tell me: What's the difference between killing and saying you have a set moral standard ... And killing because you're just killing?

Honestly. They both killed people IN THE NAME OF THEIR BELIEFS. Atheists are hypocrites themselves.

Atheists are NO DIFFERENT so stop trying to classify them as so.

Originally posted by Sorgo X
Of course it is! Jesus, Pittman.

X believes in catholicism, so he kills in it's name.
Y believes in atheism, so he kills in it's name.

Sorry, but If you kill what you believe in, you're a killer.

Stalin is a killer nonetheless. He just happened to be atheist. SURPRISE!

Originally posted by Sorgo X
Actually, if you even attempted to read the links I provided, these dictators killed AGAINST religion. They killed millions of civilians who believed in god and stomped those who oppose them.

They're no better ... Actually, they're worse than religious killings.

Stalin is in communication with god? What? Stalin did not believe in any sort of organized religion. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Originally posted by Sorgo X
You're just proving how biased you are. Every time I point something out about the atheists, you switch to religion. You're purposely avoiding consequence to even aid your point. It's saddening.

Well that is good for you, and yes I’ve heard that as well but not that Atheist or Agnostics haven’t killed either. The fact is that they have and that it is in contradiction to the word “Thou Shall Not Kill” but to kill in the name of God is OK? Hypocrite

Fool. I never said it was okay to kill in the name of god, I said there wasn't a difference. There isn't. You're ignoring this because you're biased.

Stop trying to make me look like some huge hypocrite. You can't. I don't believe in god and I'm not an atheist.

What I am trying to say is you DO NOT hold a position to rightfully call anything else hypocritical. Atheists have done the most damage when it comes to mass murder. The split second you start running your mouth, you're contradicting yourself to an extreme measure. I'm not saying one is better than the other. I am saying that they're both the same. The difference? Atheists have killed more. That's it.

You have as much if not more prejudice against Atheist.

Wrong. I'm just made to look that way. Why? I'm trying to degrade your prejudice. I said they are on the same level, both atheists and religion. You're perpetually ranting about how bad catholics are. "Yeah, but they have committed some really disgusting murders!"

You're highlighting ONE side of the equation. I keep on having to degrade the opposition because you're throwing it in my face.

Never said that he wasn’t, so what is your point?

Are you even paying attention?

You said atheists weren't hypocrites. You were wrong. You went on about how religious people killed based on their beliefs and how atheists were somewhat "exempt" from that, so to say.

They aren't. They killed in the name of their beliefs. That's my point.

Didn’t you read the post, I didn’t say that Stalin did but some soldiers. Way to miss quote again. So how is a religious genocide better?

I said religious genocide was BETTER? Who's misquoting?

Oh, "Some soldiers".

Hahahaha, nice one.

How am I being biased when you say that Atheist are about a valuable as crack whores, you have proven your own biases.

No, I haven't. I wasn't referring to every single atheist to this day, but speaking old school. In the medieval ages, Atheists were nothing more than monstrous and tyrannical dictators. Religious leaders were the same.

The point here is: There isn't a difference. Stop calling religious people hypocrites (Pertaining to this subject) when atheism has the golden cup on mass murder.

Originally posted by Sorgo X
Too bad I'm not and too bad your argument is crumbling so bad, you've resorted to do nothing but call me a loser and tell me how bad I'm losing instead of actually MAKING me lose.

I'm sorry to say, but you've made a rash assumption here...and I'd bet others reading what I wrote would agree.

(I'd also guess they'd agree my arguments weren't badly crumbling...but whatever)

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Nowhere did I call you a loser or tell you how bad you're losing. You've taken a statement I made about "extreme" religionists and applied it directly to yourself.

You've made a rash assumption here I'm sorry to say, and I'd bet others reading what I wrote would agree that you've jumped the gun a little.

Ironic how you calling my misunderstanding an assumption ... IS an assumption itself. Does this make you a hypocrite? I'd say it does.

(I'd also guess they'd agree my argument wasn't badly crumbling...but whatever)

It is, considering you just replied to my misunderstanding instead of my argument as a whole. You need to try harder or go home.

Originally posted by Alliance
😆 Go back to bed before you hurt yourself.

Come back when you're at my level, Alliance.

(Forgot to reply to Alliance's post, so I shoved it in here.)