Christian Hang out

Originally posted by Sorgo X
Care to elaborate on that vague point of yours?

Like you said, man is in fact incapable of living up to God's expectations...that's why Jesus was given by God to be the bridge between man and God. Jesus promised that through his death, man would recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit.

When you become a Christian (meaning you recieve the Holy Spirit), you are reborn and given a new spiritual identity in Christ...you change...and you cease to be the sinful person you were before Jesus was in your life, and then start becoming more like Christ.

That's the miracle! That's what's great about having Jesus in your life.

Christianity as a religion can never do that. You don't become a better person by praying more or giving more or reading the bible more. If you're doing those things and Jesus isn't in your life then you're still the same sinful man you always were. It's not about deeds or obeying rules.

And those are the extreme religionists I'm talking about...they haven't done the single most important thing, which is give their life over to Christ, and as a result, they're still VERY MUCH prone to cntinue doing the horrible things we've said they've done on the past.

Hope that explains it.

Originally posted by Sorgo X
Ironic how you calling my misunderstanding an assumption ... IS an assumption itself. Does this make you a hypocrite? I'd say it does.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Through the Holy Spirit, we recieve the gift of Jesus (who was once a real-life example that was sent from God to show man how to live).

Correct.

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Like you said, man is in fact incapable of living up to God's expectations...that's why Jesus was given by God to be the bridge between man and God. Jesus promised that through his death, man would recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Yes, and those who believe in this think that man did receive this gift.

I don't remember Jesus saying "DAMN, GUYS! I'M GOING TO RELIEVE YOU OF YOUR PROBLEMS, MAKE EVERYTHING PERFECT, CLEAR THE EARTH OF SICKNESS AND MAKE EVERYTHING LIKE RAINBOWS AND SUNSHINE!"

No. It says in the bible that humans were given choice for various reasons. They had WILL POWER for various reasons.

You think that any specimen can truly be perfect if given the option to make choices? I didn't know it was God's mission to make everything perfect.

What do you depict the holy spirit as? Some Teutonic energy capable of making things perfect?

Wake up, little Susie. Wake up.

When you become a Christian (meaning you recieve the Holy Spirit), you are reborn and given a new spiritual identity in Christ...you change...and you cease to be the sinful person you were before Jesus was in your life, and then start becoming more like Christ.

That's the miracle! That's what's great about having Jesus in your life.

Your sarcasm is dry and unnecessary. Pointing out the obvious pertaining to something irrelevant won't assist you either.

You don't become more like Christ. You pay for your sins through death.

Maybe you should read more.

Christianity as a religion can never do that. You don't become a better person by praying more or giving more or reading the bible more. If you're doing those things and Jesus isn't in your life then you're still the same sinful man you always were. It's not about deeds or obeying rules.

Your point? Stop scratching under the surface. We aren't talking about these things. Hell, Atheists break their rules all the time. Gothic subcultures, punks, killers, rapists ... They follow atheist.

Atheism's philosophy states that they should help their fellow man out. Do they? No. They sit around and pray on religion to make their empty and unfulfilled philosophy better, but nothing changes.

I've mentioned in the beginning here how much this stereotype would be filled out in this thread. Naturally, I am correct.

A lot of men look for comfort in religion. This isn't the MA anymore. Sure, there is corruption and flaws but do you really think so ignorant as to expect religion and men who follow it to be perfect? Do you really? The existence of men itself is proof that if god exists, he is not perfect. What, were you expecting something else?

And those are the extreme religionists I'm talking about...they haven't done the single most important thing, which is give their life over to Christ, and as a result, they're still VERY MUCH prone to cntinue doing the horrible things we've said they've done on the past.

Hope that explains it.

No. What about the extreme atheists? All you've effectively done AGAIN, like Pittman here, is pointed out the mistakes of catholic people. You're just all ready to go and full out bash catholicism and how evil it is. Yes, they're hypocrites and they've done alot of harm but it's this simple: SO HAVE ATHEISTS.

I'm not trying to hate on Atheism or atheists themselves but most of the time (YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT RIGHT NOW) Atheists complain about much harm the catholic community has done to this world while ignoring the two hundred something MILLION the atheists have taken out in the past few centuries.

Stop saying how religion has done such harm when Atheism takes the cake, dude. Seriously.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Man...seriously, what are you doing? Are you here to just argue with people? Yes, you misunderstood and then you assumed. Why are splitting hairs?

Oh, drop your f*cking semantics.

I MISUNDERSTOOD and then YOU assumed. Get it RIGHT.

If you can't even understand what I'm saying, don't bother.

Dude, honestly, I'm worried about how you're responding to people's posts here.

This is a Christian hang out...and it's welcome to anyone coming in and being respectful, carrying on good conversation, etc...

But in just 2 posts, you've jumped to conclusions about me trying to insult you (which I totally wasn't), trying to be sarcastic (which I totally wasn't), and are replying with quite an argumentative and ridiculing tone to myself and everyone else.

Your last comment was especially worrisome. Really, it seems to me you're pushing semantics on me. You made an assumption that I was making fun of you...now why are you splitting hairs between assuming and misunderstanding something? It just seems to me you're being kinda argumentative and it's not appreciated.

Can you please tone it down in here?

Thanks

Originally posted by Sorgo X
No, you're looking for more excuses to bash religion.

No one is bashing.

The point is, there are not many, IF any, examples of athiests killing people or launching movements to spread thier faith.

However, Christianity is rampant with such abuses, some contiune to day.

Pointing out historical errancies in Christianity is not bashing, its being a realist and actually UNDERSTANDING Christianity, which is unfortunately something many Christians I know don't. If some of these flaws are still there today, its simply pointing out hypocrisy...not bashing.

I think it's pretty clear...Christians and all Religionists are hypocritical...atheists could be considered so but not directly.

The reason there is hypocrisy in religion is this...they go around saying stuff like "Love thy neighbour" (which atheists don't do, even though it's possible they agree with it), and then go out and burn people at the stake for not converting to their religion. THAT'S the difference in the hypocrisy.

And again, those people don't have Christ in their lives...they are just as Godless as the atheists...the only difference being they say they believe in God, and that's it.

Just because you say you believe in God doesn't mean you've accepted Christ into your life, and I think that's not all that clear to some people here.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Dude, honestly, I'm worried about how you're responding to people's posts here.

Shall I express care?

This is a Christian hang out...and it's welcome to anyone coming in and being respectful, carrying on good conversation, etc...

And the subconscious dominates you as you automatically step back. How humorous. I love humans.

But in just 2 posts, you've jumped to conclusions about me trying to insult you (which I totally wasn't), trying to be sarcastic (which I totally wasn't), and are replying with quite an argumentative and ridiculing tone to myself and everyone else.

No, I never said you tried to insult. I THOUGHT you did in one misunderstanding. I said you were trying to be sarcastic? Where?

Stop sitting here trying to throw excuses off on me. You're completely ignoring the argument.

How pathetic. Seriously, this is one of most pathetic attempts I've ever seen at backing down from a debate in my lifetime. I'm not even joking.

Your last comment was especially worrisome. Really, it seems to me you're pushing semantics on me. You made an assumption that I was making fun of you...now why are you splitting hairs between assuming and misunderstanding something? It just seems to me you're being kinda argumentative and it's not appreciated.

"Pushing semantics"? No, this is what you were doing before. This is like a drophard strawman here. Hah, no joke.

No, no one is splitting hairs anymore. You're avoiding the primary relevance in this debate and still arguing something I settled simply with one post (A sentence, really.)

My mistake. I thought you were calling me an extreme religionist.

See? There goes your excuse. Now what? Huh?

Can you please tone it down in here?

No, sorry.

Thanks

Yeah, no problem.

Originally posted by Sorgo X
What do you depict the holy spirit as? Some Teutonic energy capable of making things perfect?

Wake up, little Susie. Wake up.

Originally posted by Sorgo X
You don't become more like Christ. You pay for your sins through death.

Maybe you should read more.

gods black and the Devil is a jew

Originally posted by Sorgo X
Your sarcasm is dry and unnecessary.

...And I have indeed been trying to answer questions in the debate. I elaborated on my point as you asked, and have posted other posts regarding hypocrisy and becoming like Christ.

Please state what you want to know again, and I'll try and answer...

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
[B]I think it's pretty clear...Christians and all Religionists are hypocritical...atheists could be considered so but not directly.

No, it's not clear. As clear as you'd like to make that prejudice view of yours, it won't happen as long as I'm breathing.

Atheists are JUST as hypocritical. Sorry man.

The reason there is hypocrisy in religion is this...they go around saying stuff like "Love thy neighbour" (which atheists don't do, even though it's possible they agree with it), and then go out and burn people at the stake for not converting to their religion. THAT'S the difference in the hypocrisy.

Hahaha, you think atheists didn't burn people? Oh man, you don't got a clue, friend. They killed people just for being religious. The only difference now is they INSULT religious people. Essentially, nothing has changed.

And again, those people don't have Christ in their lives...they are just as Godless as the atheists...the only difference being they say they believe in God, and that's it.

What's wrong with that? There is no harm in believing there is god that you don't have to throw your life to. Seriously.

Some people believe there is a higher entity and they have that right.

What exactly gives you the right to just bash religion like you can effectively do so without being a raging hypocrite?

Wait, YOU CAN'T.

Just because you say you believe in God doesn't mean you've accepted Christ into your life, and I think that's not all that clear to some people here.

Lol, read my above post please.

Wow, textbook. Purely textbook.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
That's where

...And I have indeed been trying to answer questions in the debate. I elaborated on my point as you asked, and have posted other posts regarding hypocrisy and becoming like Christ.

Please state what you want to know again, and I'll try and answer...

Yeah, I didn't say you were trying to be sarcastic; I said you WERE being sarcastic.

No, you've effectively dodged almost everything I've said and now you're going to try to say you've replied to everything?

Breather please.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Well, I'm just letting you know what's been written in the accounts of the apostles, and what the experience of people who know Jesus is. If these ideas are disturbing or scary that's quite natural...but it doesn't mean it's not actually happening.

Don't make more assumptions. None of these ideas are scary whatsoever. If you think so, that's quite silly.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I think it's pretty clear...Christians and all Religionists are hypocritical...atheists could be considered so but not directly.

The reason there is hypocrisy in religion is this...they go around saying stuff like "Love thy neighbour" (which atheists don't do, even though it's possible they agree with it), and then go out and burn people at the stake for not converting to their religion. THAT'S the difference in the hypocrisy.

And again, those people don't have Christ in their lives...they are just as Godless as the atheists...the only difference being they say they believe in God, and that's it.

Just because you say you believe in God doesn't mean you've accepted Christ into your life, and I think that's not all that clear to some people here.

Yes, but however, apparently Christ hasn't stopped people in the past. If you could completely accept Christ you'd become him. Since no one can really do that can anyone ever really truely emulate Chirst in every aspect?

Xenophobia is built into the Christian religion, which Christ did not found. If people actually followed Christ more and not the Church, problems would be lessened, but the fundamental intolarance comes from the fact that you view the other side as wrong. Christ only believed in one god. Its that cornerstone of Christianity that makes it very difficult to seperate the violence from the faith, even outside of Christian religion, which has done little but enhance violence.

Originally posted by Sorgo X
No, you've effectively dodged almost everything I've said and now you're going to try to say you've replied to everything?

Breather please.

What else can I say...I tried.

Then talk to me 🙂

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Pardon me for saying so, but you seem to be kinda paranoid in how you're prcieveing people and their comments here. It appears you're overreacting to people's comments when all they're trying to do is move things along.

What else can I say...I tried.

Wrong. Stop trying to analyze everything. You're failing. You barely tried. Leave yourself with that. You didn't reply to my arguments and you dragged an issue I managed to solve within seconds.

Originally posted by Alliance
Yes, but however, apparently Christ hasn't stopped people in the past. If you could completely accept Christ you'd become him. Since no one can really do that can anyone ever really truely emulate Chirst in every aspect?

Xenophobia is built into the Christian religion, which Christ did not found. If people actually followed Christ more and not the Church, problems would be lessened, but the fundamental intolarance comes from the fact that you view the other side as wrong. Christ only believed in one god. Its that cornerstone of Christianity that makes it very difficult to seperate the violence from the faith, even outside of Christian religion, which has done little but enhance violence.

Believing in one God could cause conflict...exactly how much depends on who's involved. The conflict in the past has come from people who didn't have a real relationship with the Spirit of Jesus...and this is evident from the extreme amount of violence and bloodshed that's been seen.

Having Jesus in your life would make it virtually impossible to be a part of such acts. Not to say that people who I consider are true Christians are perfect or will be exactly like Christ, but it is almost impossible that they could bring themselves to partake in the atrocities coming from other so-called "Christians" in the past.

Just to be clear again, there have been tons of people who have worn the cross, served the church, and shed blood in the name of God in the past...but these people just were just Christians by identity. They did indeed push their one-God belief on others...but that's not the way to spread the good news.

Having a personal relationship with Jesus is what eventually turns you into a Christ follower...not following simply His word or teachings. When someone has accepted Christ into their lives, sinful things gradually become unappealing. That's what's amazing about the experience. And the reason that stuff becomes unappealing is because you are becoming more like Christ, and there is less and less attraction to anything sinful (as opposed to how it was with our old selves)...wild, but true.

Originally posted by Sorgo X
Fool. I never said it was okay to kill in the name of god, I said there wasn't a difference. There isn't. You're ignoring this because you're biased.

Originally posted by Sorgo X
Stop trying to make me look like some huge hypocrite. You can't. I don't believe in god and I'm not an atheist.

Originally posted by Sorgo X
What I am trying to say is you DO NOT hold a position to rightfully call anything else hypocritical. Atheists have done the most damage when it comes to mass murder. The split second you start running your mouth, you're contradicting yourself to an extreme measure. I'm not saying one is better than the other. I am saying that they're both the same. The difference? Atheists have killed more. That's it.

Originally posted by Sorgo X
Wrong. I'm just made to look that way. Why? I'm trying to degrade your prejudice. I said they are on the same level, both atheists and religion. You're perpetually ranting about how bad catholics are. "Yeah, but they have committed some really disgusting murders!"

You're highlighting ONE side of the equation. I keep on having to degrade the opposition because you're throwing it in my face.

Originally posted by Sorgo X
Are you even paying attention?

You said atheists weren't hypocrites. You were wrong. You went on about how religious people killed based on their beliefs and how atheists were somewhat "exempt" from that, so to say.

They aren't. They killed in the name of their beliefs. That's my point.

Originally posted by Sorgo X
I said religious genocide was BETTER? Who's misquoting?

Originally posted by Sorgo X
Actually, if you even attempted to read the links I provided, these dictators killed AGAINST religion. They killed millions of civilians who believed in god and stomped those who oppose them.

They're no better ... Actually, they're worse than religious killings.

Originally posted by Sorgo X
You didn't reply to my arguments and you dragged an issue I managed to solve within seconds.

2nd chance...

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I honestly thought I had replied...oh well. That's why I suggested you should point out what you wanted to discuss again.