Darth Sidious vs. Master Yoda

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Darth Sidious vs. Master Yoda

I know this is considered to be a topic long worn out. But I would like to go on threads and make legitimate arguments why neither Palpatine nor Yoda are truly greater than the other - and why Palpatine nor Yoda got owned. Several people are extraordinarily biased, and some have no proof to support their ideas.

Others - such as Nai Fohl - are also biased - but have relative support of their ideas. But not for all of them.

Now. This is NOT in JUST direct combat. I would clearly like to see who is superior. I will make this clear now. Palpatine is not as great as Yoda is in combat with lightsabers. Simply because Palpatine is younger than Yoda, less-experienced, and mainly operates through his powerful connection with the Force.

This versus thread requires more than combat. Yoda-fans bash Palpatine-fans and make threads that engage the two in combat. Simply because they know that eventually Yoda would win. Well, I'm evening the playing field. This tests the following:

Combat Skills:

Intelligence:

Wisdom:

Force-Connection:

Defensive Force Powers:

Offensive Force Powers:

Forsight:

Awareness:

Tactical Ability:

Agility:

Strength:

Experience:

Overall:

Combat skills: Yoda, come on people Yoda would never allow himself to be defeated. He lost his lightsaber which was a huge mistake on his part, but if you look at the circumstances I can understand that.

Intelligence: Equal... Yoda is far wiser but Palpatine is a great politician and manipulator. It depends on what you are looking for

Force-Connection: Palpatine, he learned a lot in less time. However Yoda was more powerful in the force.

Tactical Ability: Yoda, Palpatine was not a tactician. He was a fool in that aspect otherwise he would have actually used army's to fight instead of back stab each other.

Agility: Yoda, just look at him fly.

Strength: Physical strength I assume? Then obviously Palpatine.

Experience: Yoda 900 years against 70? Who's going to win. Besides Yoda fought a lot more.

Overall: I'd say Yoda.

Whoops. That reminds me. Gotta add three more categories:

Wisdom:

Defensive Force Powers:

Offensive Force Powers:

Wisdom: Yoda

Defensive force powers: Yoda

Offensive force powers: Palpatine

Yeah, lol, you keep reminding me to put in categories I've stumbled over. Lol, stand by!

Combat Skills: Yoda. They're about even - but Yoda, I'd have to say.

Intelligence: Palpatine. Academically, he's more proficient, I'd say.

Wisdom: Yoda.

Force-Connection: Hmmm...tie.

Defensive Force Powers: Yoda.

Offensive Force Powers: Palpatine.

Forsight: Palpatine

Awareness: Yoda

Tactical Ability: From my perspective, a tie.

Agility: Yoda.

Strength: Palpatine.

Experience: Yoda.

Overall: Yoda - but not by a mile. A few centimeters at best.

Sidious already won, bucko.

We are not talking about who won we are talking about who is more powerful

Combat Skills:yoda he does like 20 flips in three secounds

Intelligence: Palpatine i wouldsay yoda but he can't speak in proper grammer

Wisdom: palpatine he sacrificed dokku and stuff for brilliant plan that requires wisdom

Force-Connection: palpatine he won vs yoda in a one on one fight simple

Defensive Force Powers:impossible to tell. no one used lighting on palpitine so we can't really tell if palpitine can deflect it and a great offense is a good defense mace wendu couldn't slice palpatine when he was using lightning

Offensive Force Powers: palpatine obiuosly lightning

Forsight: palpatine

Awareness: palpatine, yoda was unaware that anackin would turn completly dark

Tactical Ability: palpatine, he had the whole attack planed out, the betrayel with the clones, turning anackin dark, and the making of the death star

Agility:yoda, but only for short busts i mean he walks with a walking stick
Strength: palpitine, he is bigger and obiuosly stronger... well i shouldn't say bigger i should say less small
Experience:yoda older
Overall: palpatine he is overall way better, yoda lost a duel to palpatine" failed i have, go in to exile i must"

Combat Skills: Yoda. He is just an insane fighter who could outspar anyone.

Intelligence: I'd say that this 1 is a tie.

Wisdom: Yoda by a long shot.

Force-Connection: Tie.

Defensive Force Powers: Yoda.

Offensive Force Powers: Palpatine is far superior in this department.

Forsight: Palpatine

Awareness: Yoda

Tactical Ability: Yoda, he's a full on bad-ass green general.

Agility: Yoda.

Strength: Palpatine.

Experience: Yoda.

Overall: Yoda. Kicked Palpatines ass i have.

No. Yoda didn't kick Palpatine's ass or vice versa.

Well when they fought, it clearly seemed they were even through the whole duel. If anything Yoda over powers sidious in the end but he feels the effect of the blast too.

It seemed to me that Palpatine ran originally because he didn't think he could face Yoda. Remember. Palpatine just gained control of the galaxy. His goal. So why fight a powerful and revered Jedi Master if you can just escape? He had everything left to lose. So he ran. Yoda stopped him. So they fought. Yoda was on the offensive - Palpatine on the defensive. Yoda SEEMED to be the superior duelist. But Palpatine kept up with him, move for move. Realizing that they were at a stalemate, Palpatine then tried to get away from Yoda to used long-distance attacks against him. Yoda managed to barely dodge these. Then Palpatine and Yoda were fighting over control of the lightning. It was a battle of wills. Yoda managed to throw it back at lightning - but it ended up helping Palpatine instead of hurting him. Yoda was flung like a pebble. And he ran because he KNEW he couldn't defeat Palpatine. He lost his chance.

I like how you thaught of it Darth somebody

palpitine > yoda
i can't bieleve that some people here even think that yoda is stronger he doesn't even come close

How could you say Yoda didnt even come close? Yoda and Sidious were even the whole duel, no body had the upperhand. In the end it looked like Yoda was overpowered and then Yoda overpowered Sidious, resulting in sending Sidious very far up and bearly nocking Yoda over the edge.

i should say they are both equal in all they are quite possibly the best dulers with a lightsaber before NJO LUKE

Every dog has his day

A lot of people seem to believe that the result of a single fight demonstrates who is the better fighter. Personally, I don't think it proves anything (with the exception of clear ownage), except that anyone can lose a fight, even Grand Master Yoda and Darth Sidious (who each lost one in RotS). If no one can ever beat an opponent who has beaten them once, then what would be the point of a rematch?

We never got to see Yoda lose a lightsaber duel to anyone - not to Sidious, and not to Dooku - despite being over 800 years old and pint-sized with a child-size weapon. Yoda also seemed to outdo Sidious in knowledge of the force, by setting a pod in spin before casting it back at him. And although Yoda was clearly more reluctant than Sidious to use force lightning, he actually seemed to be putting out more energy in the end than Sidious (who was starting to cry out from the pain), before the force caused both of them to fly backward.

At this point, what happened was, in my mind, purely circumstantial: Yoda had just lept up to the edge of the pod, while Sidious was already in the pod, and walking toward him. When the force knocked them back, Sidious did a backward somersault and barely managed to grab the railing of the pod with one hand. Yoda had nothing to grab hold of, and fell several stories, bouncing off the Supreme Chancellor's podium and another object before finally landing on the floor.

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't have been in the mood to continue fighting myself after a fall like that. And I'm only 33; I can't imagine a senior surviving such a fall. And since Sidious wasn't too keen on letting go of that rail, I think it stands to reason that, had he taken that fall himself, then it would have taken quite a toll on his own stamina as well.

Obi-Wan actually won two fights against opponents you might expect to have beaten him. Pre-cyborg Darth Vader knew that Obi-Wan was starting to tire toward the end of their fight, and said, "This is the end for you, my master," which Obi-Wan seemed to believe. Obi-Wan narrowly avoided being cut by Vader's lightsaber when he lept backward for land, while Vader wasn't so lucky, as he was trying to jump from lower ground to higher ground and gave Obi-Wan plenty of time to deliver the one fell stroke that changed his life forever.

Obi-Wan had also been pretty well whupped by Darth Maul, but managed to pull out a victory because Maul didn't anticipate Obi-Wan getting a hold of his master's lightsaber while jumping out of the pit and then proceeding to slice him in half (not to take anything away from Obi-Wan, who deserves nothing but props for having thought of it). Less notable was the fight between Master Windu and Sidious. I actually believe Sidious was the better fighter, and he did have Windu at sword's point for a moment before Windu recovered and continued the engagement. Windu groaned and appeared to be having some difficulty before pulling out a victory against the Sith Lord with a kick to the face.

In my opinion, Yoda was truly the Grand Master of the Jedi, and more solid in his combat technique than any known Sith Lord as well. Anakin may have had the potential to surpass him, but that's left to the imagination. Unfortunately, he got jacked up badly in his first fight with Obi-Wan, and wound up having to have all four limbs replaced with prosthetics and live out the rest of his life in an air-conditioned suit with some manner of artificial respiratory equipment.

Those who sneer at the fact that Yoda scampered wide-eyed to his escape, and went into hiding while Palpatine stayed in the spotlight, are entitled to their beliefs. The way I see it, the Sith had been in hiding until they came to power. And by the time Palpatine's secret had been uncovered, he had risen to power, and had his armies hunting down the Jedi. After his fight with Windu, the Emperor made up a story about the Jedi trying to assassinate him, leaving out the important fact that he was Lord of the Sith.

As I explained previously, Yoda was too hurt to continue the fight, and had just enough strength to get away. In addition, Sidious had blasted his lightsaber out of his hand, and it would probably have been a bad idea to go looking for it in all the rubble, while Sidious was unhurt and still in the room with him. And now, the two surviving Jedi found themselves for the first time at odds with the "powers that be," and had no choice but to go into hiding themselves. Makes more sense to me than, "Yoda got scared, so he ran and hid." Remember that it was Yoda chasing Sidious right up to the very end, when he got hurt.

While it's true the Sith may have a slight edge in the fact that they feel no restraint against the use of force lightning and other abilities, every single one of them has lost at least one match in their prime to my knowledge. And furthermore, anyone who lives his/her life for evil has a crippling weakness in their underestimation of that little thing called karma; the world has more people gravitating toward kindness than wickedness, and no one can defeat the whole world (or galaxy, in the case of Star Wars). Salute!

Combat Skills: Judging on their ROTS duel, it's too close to determine who is better, so I'd say tie.

Intelligence: Sidious, because of the success of his master plan of clones backstabbing jedi and converting Anakin to the dark side and the risk involved.

Wisdom: Yoda.

Force-Connection:Tie

Defensive Force Powers: Yoda

Offensive Force Powers: Sidious

Forsight: Yoda, because he was good with predicting the future, esp in TCW.

Awareness: Sideous, as Yoda didn't realise Palpatine was actually Sideous.

Tactical Ability: Depends. If as in war tactics, Yoda, but if its in general, probably tie.

Agility: Yoda.

Strength: Palpatine

Experience: Yoda

Overall: I'd still say its a draw, but if i had to choose, it would be Yoda, however only by a slight margin.

Combat Skills: I would have to say Yoda, simply because nobody can effectively fight an opponent that small. In skill itself, equals.

Intelligence: Tie. Sidious is timing smart, but his plan was laid before he even became Sith. Yoda is Yoda.

Wisdom: Yoda. Can't say anything other than that.

Force-Connection: Tie.

Defensive Force Powers: Yoda. Jedi use the Force for defense, never to attack.

Offensive Force Powers: Palpatine. Force lightning mutha-fu**as!

Foresight: Tie. Yoda can predict the future easily until it is clouded by Darkness, Palpatine was wrong a LOT.

Awareness: Yoda.

Tactical Ability: Yoda. Sidious is a strategist and manipulater. No tactics.

Agility: Yoda. Undeniably.

Strength: Probably Sidious. Both are pretty weak physically.

Experience: Yoda. 880 years at that point compared to 70.

Overall: Yoda.

The reason he ran from Sidious is actually because Sidious called for help..... Senate Guards were on their way and showed up right after Yoda left. No lightsaber+clones+armed Sidious is not good for Yoda. 1 on 1 Yoda would take him out.