Originally posted by Sinious
Yeah well it was a joke...
Yea I know I just take things to seriously sometimes. We Sidious fans have to stick together. Put these two on an even playing field where both can move as much as they want. Sidious can handle yoda in terms of sabers it's basically a tie. The script says that yoda almost pushed him to the edge and the Sith Lord dropped his lightsaber. The novel describes Sidious as being the superior of the two in lightsbers.
Originally posted by carthage
Sidious beats Yoda again but fails to beat Windu because he sucks
If Sidious fought Windu again one on one on an open field with some rocks around so both can throw stuff at one another Sidious will win because Windu would not be as angry as he was in ROTS thus vaapad would carry him less so he would definitely be killed by Sidious.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
If Sidious fought Windu again one on one on an open field with some rocks around so both can throw stuff at one another Sidious will win because Windu would not be as angry as he was in ROTS thus vaapad would carry him less so he would definitely be killed by Sidious.
F*** Windu being "angry." You make it out as if all Windu has to do is get angry and suddenly he's on par with Yoda and Sidious.
But otherwise yeah in the environment you described Sidious would beat Windu. Especially when Windu doesn't have other Jedi to help him in for the first seconds of the fight.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
F*** Windu being "angry." You make it out as if all Windu has to do is get angry and suddenly he's on par with Yoda and Sidious.But otherwise yeah in the environment you described Sidious would beat Windu. Especially when Windu doesn't have other Jedi to help him in for the first seconds of the fight.
Vaapad takes the inner darkness of the user as well as the dark side of another. Windus anger was his inner dark side as anger leads to the dark side and is seen throughout the movie as an emotion that belongs to the dark side. So yes Windu was amped also due to his anger. So yes if Windu is angry than yes he is stronger if going against a dark side user. Also vaapad is to much of a wild card per say. Windu vs Sidious was due to vaapad but that doesn't mean he would win against yoda as he would not receive that amp against yoda. So vaapad is to wild to determine if that user is one of the best as it gives them an edge against dark spiders that they wouldn't get against lightsiders.
Windu suck in the new canon btw. In a comic that is basing on TCW he couldn't everpower Ventress (I think that is't a canon source, but still shows as an direction), he faild to overpower Maul and Talzin (who was stomped by Sidious in sabers).
ROTS Sidious was a bit lucky at the end of the fight. At the end of TCW Yoda was clearly his superior (in the vision at least). He was better duelist (by small margin, though). Even in ROTS Yoda was overpowering Sidious at the end of their Force fight, but was at position disadvatage and was finally pushed away.
Sidious had advantage because he could run wherever he wanted, and Yoda had to chase him all the time.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
he would win against yoda as he would not receive that amp against yoda.
Why? If All he has to do is get "angry"? Can he not get angry at Yoda?
Or is it Only when he gets angry at darksiders that his anger amps him? Was he not angry at Maul when he fought him? Or at Dooku, Ventress or Sora Bulq? He should probably just learn how to get angry in anytime he needs to like the Hulk.
Originally posted by McP
Windu suck in the new canon btw. In a comic that is basing on TCW he couldn't everpower Ventress (I think that is't a canon source, but still shows as an direction), he faild to overpower Maul and Talzin (who was stomped by Sidious in sabers).ROTS Sidious was a bit lucky at the end of the fight. At the end of TCW Yoda was clearly his superior (in the vision at least). He was better duelist (by small margin, though). Even in ROTS Yoda was overpowering Sidious at the end of their Force fight, but was at position disadvatage and was finally pushed away.
Sidious had advantage because he could run wherever he wanted, and Yoda had to chase him all the time.
Vaapad can only take him so far. It depends on the inner darkness of the opponent and the anger and dark side the opponent lets out. That's why a person like dooku or Darth Vader Vaal wouldn't work as well as both are calculating duelist instead of raging Sith like maul and bane. When did he fail to overpower maul, I think he almost won with the help of Secura though. Or he was about to win. In that duel vaapad wouldn't take Windu far enough as ventress isn't a slouch in lightsaber combat and could defeat even kit fisto, so he would need to bring everything forth to defeat her( his knowledge of the other 7 styles ). That's why she was gone in like 5 seconds after that.
It's been a while since I have seen that duel but as far as I'm concerned they looked like equals with both pushing the other back. Sidious was actually about to lose the force fight but had a sudden vision that he would be needed in the future. This translates to saying that yoda knew that he couldn't defeat Sidious. The novelization shows this and the movie. Sidious was at a disadvantage in terms of saber because his movements were hampered by the small podium space while yoda can just jump around wherever he wants. So the fact that Sidious can keep up and match him blow for blow in a confined space shows that they are equal.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Why? If All he has to do is get "angry"? Can he not get angry at Yoda?Or is it Only when he gets angry at darksiders that his anger amps him? Was he not angry at Maul when he fought him? Or at Dooku, Ventress or Sora Bulq? He should probably just learn how to get angry in anytime he needs to like the Hulk.
One can't just get angry as you put it. Windu was angry that the republic he had spent an entire war protecting and risking his life everyday and watching his comrades die. That the anger he received against Sidious, an anger he would not be able to reach again. Also he is a Jedi, jedi are taught to be balanced, doesn't the code say, there isn't anger there is serenity, he can get angry but only when something like that has happened. Also, dooku and ventress are both practitioners of Makashi, a clam style with dooku always staying calm and ventress only getting angry when she thinks she can win and keeps charging but can never win like she did against dooku when she had savage with her, sofa bulq is also a practioner of vaapad, maul I haven't read the SOD novel so I don't know the circumstance they were in also didn't mace have the assistance of another Jedi and didn't they win.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
maul I haven't read the SOD novel so I don't know the circumstance they were in also didn't mace have the assistance of another Jedi and didn't they win.
That's true Mace had assistance from Secura. But it was just a short scuffle. But point being Maul is as angry a Darksider as they get.
Originally posted by McP
ROTS Sidious was a bit lucky at the end of the fight. At the end of TCW Yoda was clearly his superior (in the vision at least). He was better duelist (by small margin, though). Even in ROTS Yoda was overpowering Sidious at the end of their Force fight, but was at position disadvatage and was finally pushed away.
Sidious had advantage because he could run wherever he wanted, and Yoda had to chase him all the time.
What the hell are you talking about?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That's true Mace had assistance from Secura. But it was just a short scuffle. But point being Maul is as angry a Darksider as they get.
True but being in a short scuffle as that one we can't measure his vaapad use as it was very short and he also had the assistance of a fellow Jedi so I just don't worry about it.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
True but being in a short scuffle as that one we can't measure his vaapad use as it was very short and he also had the assistance of a fellow Jedi so I just don't worry about it.
What having assistance weakens Vapaad's usefulness now as well?
God I hope the new canon eliminates Vapaad.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
What having assistance weakens Vapaad's usefulness now as well?God I hope the new canon eliminates Vapaad.
No you misunderstood. I'm just stating the circumstances of the battle. Windu had a partner so he probably wouldn't need vaapad as strongly, plus he had his other skills aswell.