Darth Sidious vs. Master Yoda

Combat Skills: Sidious (Force speed > Force valor, and combat is the nature of the Dark Side)

Intelligence: Sidious (Ultimately out-smarted Yoda and found a way to become stronger than any Sith before him)

Wisdom: Yoda (Yoda was older, and demonstrated his eight hundred years of wisdom on several occasions, while Sidious kept coming back to get beaten back until he went mad and his spirit so corrupted that the spirits of all Jedi simply decimated his very essence in the end)

Force-Connection: Yoda (Limited by the light side and less grueling training)

Defensive Force Powers: Yoda (Force Wave manage to stave off the full force of Sidious' peerless Force Lightning until it exploded)

Offensive Force Powers: Sidious

Forsight: Sidious (His plans required the use of Dark Sight, which allowed him to achieve outcomes extremely far out)

Awareness: Yoda (Palpatine was unaware of Vader's conflict, his overconfidence was his undoing)

Tactical Ability: Palpatine

Agility: Yoda (Compliments of Ataru)

Strength: Palpatine (5 times his size)

Experience: Yoda lol

Overall: Palpatine

Combat Skills: Pure saber skills, probably Yoda. Palpatine doesnt have the time or opportunity to train like Yoda does.

Intelligence: Palpatine. He uses the entire galaxy as a chess board and wins

Wisdom: Hard to day. Palpatine is definitely wise given all hes acomplished, but his wisdom is very inward focused. Yoda probably had an advantage because he is compassionate and can understand the universe in terms other than his own.

Force-Connection: Equal

Defensive Force Powers: Yoda

Offensive Force Powers: Palpatine

Forsight: Palpatine. His foresight allowed him to destory the Jedi order and maintain a professional relationship with Yoda, who never saw it coming.

Awareness: Palpatine. He reaches out and senses the shifts and turns of the war and twists it to keep it believably even.

Tactical Ability: Palpatine easily. He is fighting a war on both ends as and keeping it exactly where he wants it. Yoda is fighting to win and fails to do so. Palpatine also tried to retreat rather than fight when he was is in danger despite showing no fear during the battle. Outcome is more important than ego to him.

Agility: Yoda, though maybe not by as much as it seems. He needs to be agile to make up for his lack of reach. Palpatine has the reach so he doesnt need to do the acrobatics, it doesnt mean he is incapable of it.

Strength: Palpatine

Experience: Yoda by a wide margin

Overall: Palpatine. In their fight he was using massive amounts of offensive power and not tiring at all. Yoda fought him evenly but was wearing down and in the novel he admitted to himself Palpatine had the fight won.

He wasnt able to overpower Palpatine in the end, just push his lightning back into itself so it exploded in all directions and they both took the hit. After that he was spent, Palpatine seemed to be suffering very little fatigue if any and was having a lot of fun. Yoda could equal him in output for a time, but Palpatine has vast reserves that Yoda just cant keep up with.

Combat Skills: Yoda (Sidious had to flee to other pods because he couldn't handle Yoda after a while)

Intelligence: Sidious

Wisdom: Yoda

Force-Connection: Yoda

Defensive Force Powers: Yoda

Offensive Force Powers: Sidious

Forsight: Sidious

Awareness: Draw

Tactical Ability: Palpatine

Agility: Yoda

Strength: Palpatine

Experience: Yoda

Overall: Yoda couldn't defeat Sidious, and couldn't prevent Sidious from destroying the Jedi Order and forming the Empire. At the same time, he knew that Sidious could ultimately be destroyed by the power of the Light Side of the Force. Sidious outplayed Yoda until the end, when he failed to recognize the bond between Vader and Luke. Hence, Yoda ultimately "won." His training of Luke was a key element instrumental for Sidious's downfall.

I combat skills: pretty even I'f that battle were to have continues I would say that palpatine would win only because YODA would get tired and Sidious would continue to block and parry

Intelligence: a tie since palpatine is a skillful and manipulative politician while Yoda has had 900 years of experienc and a long time to build up his intelligence

Wisdom:yoda

Force connection: palpatine palpatine had such a connection with the force he was able to block out Darth plaguies mind tricks without any formal training and is the incarnate of the dark side yoda wasent for the light luke was

Defensive powers: yoda able to block dookus Lightning and Sidious for a period of time

Offensive powers: sidious he is a Sith they are way more destructive and Sidious has masterd more abilities

Foresight: palpatine he was able to see all of the events in ROTJ as he said everything has happened as I have foreseen while yoda was clouded by the dark side showing how powerful Sidious is

Awareness:tie

Tactical ability: in single combat palpatine with multiple groups yoda

Agility: yoda but if palpatine in an open space is pretty agile but yoda ftw in this category

Strength: palpatine

Experience: I'd say it's a tie, yes yoda is 900 years old but he has spent most of his time in the temple meditating on the force and ruling from the temple while Sidious even though in his 80s was in way more Lightsaber deuls and also focused on the force but if had to choose a winner I'd say yoda but not by a long shot though

Overall: Sidious

Yoda ran because he realized he could not defeat Sidious and if you pay attention to the deul you see that if yoda would not have had that realization palpatine would have killed yoda but it would have been a long battle though so I declare sidious the winner in my opinion

Interesting idea for a thread.

Combat Skills: Draw

Intelligence: Sidious

Wisdom: Yoda

Force-Connection: Draw

Defensive Force Powers: Yoda

Offensive Force Powers: Sidious

Forsight: Draw

Awareness: Sidious

Tactical Ability: Sidious

Agility: Yoda

Strength: Draw

Experience: Yoda

Overall: 50/50 they are equals IMHO.

In the novel RoTS, Sidious is potrayed as the stonger of the two.

But not in the RotS movie.

Short version:

Yoda's fighting a losing draw. Which is still better then most anyone else can do. Still, of everyone who's ever fought Sidious, he's one of 2 lightsiders to escape with his life.

Sidious

Originally posted by carthage
Sidious

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Darth Sidious is the clear superior as portrayed in the Revenge of the Sith novelisation.

Took out the ones that don't matter.

Combat Skills: Draw

Wisdom: Yoda

Force-Connection: Yoda

Defensive Force Powers: Yoda

Offensive Force Powers: Sidious

Foresight: Sidious

Tactical Ability: Sidious

Speed/Agility: Sidious

Strength: Draw

Experience: Yoda (Though as the RotS novel depicts, no experience that would help him against Palpatine.)

Overall: Sidious

Let's put this into perspective people. Six Jedi that we know of as of movies have challenged sidious to a duel. Onlu three of them lasted more than one minute. Only two of them came out of it with their lives and only one was actually able to defeat him but as DE is no longer cannon I guess only 5 Jedi have challenged sidious to a duel and none won realistically.

Also put sidious and yoda on equal ground then see who wins. People keep say the entire fight was against yoda. Well I can agree with the Lightning ball part how his small stature and being on the edge would be a disadvantage. However sidious at the beginning was at a disadvantage as his move,nets were hampered and he needs his space as all Atari masters do.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
he needs his space as all Atari masters do.

Sidious plays Atari? 😑

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
and none won realistically.

Uh, Windu?

Unless you believe Sidious was feigning defeat.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Took out the ones that don't matter.

Combat Skills: Draw

Wisdom: Yoda

Force-Connection: Yoda

Defensive Force Powers: Yoda

Offensive Force Powers: Sidious

Foresight: Sidious

Tactical Ability: Sidious

Speed/Agility: Sidious

Strength: Draw

Experience: Yoda (Though as the RotS novel depicts, no experience that would help him against Palpatine.)

Overall: Sidious

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Originally posted by Darth_DaNThEMaN
Sidious already won, bucko.

Umm actually he didn't lose, in fact he looked slightly superior. if that is what you meant by lose I agree 👆

Originally posted by DecayisAwesome
Combat Skills: Pure saber skills, probably Yoda. Palpatine doesnt have the time or opportunity to train like Yoda does.

Intelligence: Palpatine. He uses the entire galaxy as a chess board and wins

Wisdom: Hard to day. Palpatine is definitely wise given all hes acomplished, but his wisdom is very inward focused. Yoda probably had an advantage because he is compassionate and can understand the universe in terms other than his own.

Force-Connection: Equal

Defensive Force Powers: Yoda

Offensive Force Powers: Palpatine

Forsight: Palpatine. His foresight allowed him to destory the Jedi order and maintain a professional relationship with Yoda, who never saw it coming.

Awareness: Palpatine. He reaches out and senses the shifts and turns of the war and twists it to keep it believably even.

Tactical Ability: Palpatine easily. He is fighting a war on both ends as and keeping it exactly where he wants it. Yoda is fighting to win and fails to do so. Palpatine also tried to retreat rather than fight when he was is in danger despite showing no fear during the battle. Outcome is more important than ego to him.

Agility: Yoda, though maybe not by as much as it seems. He needs to be agile to make up for his lack of reach. Palpatine has the reach so he doesnt need to do the acrobatics, it doesnt mean he is incapable of it.

Strength: Palpatine

Experience: Yoda by a wide margin

Overall: Palpatine. In their fight he was using massive amounts of offensive power and not tiring at all. Yoda fought him evenly but was wearing down and in the novel he admitted to himself Palpatine had the fight won.

He wasnt able to overpower Palpatine in the end, just push his lightning back into itself so it exploded in all directions and they both took the hit. After that he was spent, Palpatine seemed to be suffering very little fatigue if any and was having a lot of fun. Yoda could equal him in output for a time, but Palpatine has vast reserves that Yoda just cant keep up with.

Disagree with much of this, but really, Yoda never said Sidious won. What he said is, the fight was over before it began. He was referring to the Jedi being complacent over the years, while the Sith grew stronger and outsmarted them (Order 66 etc etc). In no way shape or form was Yoda saying he lost to Sids and he knew he couldn't win.

Sources have stated Yoda never could have won, anyway.

Provide these tier one canon sources. Not BS sources, point me to any place in Lucas commentary.. script.. movie or book that says such a thing... Good luck