Who is the most powerful jedi/sith?

Originally posted by Himo
Again, you show an inability to comprehend the situation. Adolf Hitler din't live in a society based upon the strongest in there PHYSICAL and FORCE abilities lead.

And can you prove the others' power in comparison to Sidious? To Exar Kun? No? Then it's no different. The strongest rule, true, but how strong are they compared to Kun or Sidious? You've yet to prove up, so a need of "comprehending" the situation is only on your end.

You cannot prove without a "sadow" (Naga Sadow) of doubt that anyone under Ragnos is more powerful than Exar Kun or Sidious.

Just making a connection.

Just stating a fact.

Connection, again.

Fact, again.

Sorry, exaggeration. How about thousands? And, again, connection.

Prove there were "thousands" of Sith Lords. Even so, it's still irrelevant. How powerful are all those "thousands" on a singular level?

Now I'll add another part. Marka Ragnos ruled the Sith at the height of their power. He exhibited an ability to hold sway over Naga Sadow, who later proved himself a very able Sith by coming close to destroying the Republic.

Okay, and Sidious was able to destroy the Republic. Sadow alone didn't conquer the Republic. He had Sith forces, he has his illusions. And once his illusions were foiled by Gav, the Republic pushed them back.

He was able to destroy a star. Even though he had help from a ship, that was something comparable to Kun, who did the same thing.

LOL! So, because he had a ship blow up a star - he is powerful? Technology does not equal power. He had the ship do it, he himself didn't blow up a star. And it's not comparable to Kun because it wasn't their power.

Tarkin had the Death Star blow up Alderaan. Tarkin > everyone?

And who was stronger than Naga? Marka. Kun's most powerful feat was done identically to Marka's APPRENTICE

Naga Sadow wasn't even an apprentice, you dolt. Good to know I'm arguing with someone who doesn't even know what they're talking about.

And again, blowing up a star with TECHNOLOGY isn't a FEAT that determines THE USER'S POWER. It's a very simple concept. Plus, you can't put the feat into context of a fight, ergo it holds no water.

who didn't have the balls to even challenge Marka on his deathbed because he was scared of Marka.

Oh my god. And how does this prove Marka > Kun? Oh? It doesn't? Okay. You are arguing that Sadow's powerful because he had a ship, technology, cause solar manipulations, and thus Marka Ragnos is more powerful than Kun because of this. Your premise is completely illogical and faulty.

Poof enough?

No. Maybe if you provide an actual show of their own power. A friggin' ship doesn't equate to power.

Originally posted by Advent
And can you prove the others in comparison to Sidious? To Exar Kun? No? Then it's no different. The strongest rule, true, but how strong are they compared to Kun or Sidious? You've yet to prove up, so "comprehending" the situation is only on your end.

You cannot prove without a "sadow" (Naga Sadow) of doubt that anyone under Ragnos is more powerful than Exar Kun or Sidious.

Just stating a fact.

Fact, again.

Prove there were "thousands" of Sith Lords.

Okay, and Sidious was able to destroy the Republic. Sadow alone didn't conquer the Republic. He had Sith forces, he has his illusions. And once his illusions were foiled by Gav, the Republic pushed them back.

LOL! So, because he had a ship blow up a star - he is powerful? Technology does not equal power. He had the ship do it, he himself didn't blow up a star. And it's not comparable to Kun because it wasn't their power.

Tarkin had the Death Star blow up Alderaan. Tarkin > everyone?

Naga Sadow wasn't even an apprentice, you dolt. Good to know I'm arguing with someone who doesn't even know what they're talking about.

And again, blowing up a star with [b]TECHNOLOGY isn't a FEAT that determines THE USER'S POWER. It's a very simple concept. Plus, you can't put the feat into context of a fight, ergo it holds no water.

Oh my god. And how does this prove Marka > Kun? Oh? It doesn't? Okay. You are arguing that Sadow's powerful because he had a ship, technology, cause solar manipulations, and thus Marka Ragnos is more powerful than Kun because of this. Your premise is completely illogical and faulty.

No. Maybe if you provide an actual show of their own power. A friggin' ship doesn't equate to power. [/B]

Again, Naga showed he was more powerful than most after him. He was below Marka during his 100 year rule and showed he was capable of taking on the Republic and destroying it.

I never said there was thousands of Sith Lords. Sorry if what I said wasn't completely clear, but what I meant was thousands of Sith.

No, he wasn't. Sidious didn't destroy the Republic, he reformed it from the inside. He used diplomacy, Naga used BRUTE force and almost won. That would be a sign of power.

If you knew about the ship, it CHANNELS THE FORCE. That's the reason Kun and Naga were able to blow up the star. Again, most notable feat for both. It was able to channel the force into one very powerful burst of force energy that blew up the star and, in both cases, caused massive destruction. The idea behind the ship clear now?

Originally posted by Himo
[B]Again, Naga showed he was more powerful than most after him. He was below Marka during his 100 year rule and showed he was capable of taking on the Republic and destroying it.

No, he wasn't. Sidious didn't destroy the Republic, he reformed it from the inside. He used diplomacy, Naga used BRUTE force and almost won. That would be a sign of power.

If you knew about the ship, it CHANNELS THE FORCE. That's the reason Kun and Naga were able to blow up the star. Again, most notable feat for both. It was able to channel the force into one very powerful burst of force energy that blew up the star and, in both cases, caused massive destruction. The idea behind the ship clear now?

Originally posted by Himo
Again, Naga showed he was more powerful than most after him.

Yeah, and so did Exar Kun. Your point? Prove Naga Sadow > Exar Kun, and you have your argument.

He was below Marka during his 100 year rule and showed he was capable of taking on the Republic and destroying it.

You're being daft. Naga Sadow didn't just waltz onto the Republic worlds of Coruscant, Cinnager, and the other by himself. He had Sith forces, he had his illusions. Revan had the ability to destroy the Republic as well, I guess he = Sadow? Or Revan > Kun?

And once his illusions were trounced by Gav, the Sith were pushed back.

I never said there was thousands of Sith Lords. Sorry if what I said wasn't completely clear, but what I meant was thousands of Sith.

Yes, there are thousands of "Sith", but those "Sith" are only Massassi, which are comparative weaklings to Exar Kun.

No, he wasn't. Sidious didn't destroy the Republic, he reformed it from the inside. He used diplomacy, Naga used BRUTE force and almost won. That would be a sign of power.

He waged war. War. Which is what Sidious did against the Rebels, what the Vong did against the New Republic. Is that getting through your head yet?

Naga. Sadow. Didn't. Conquer. Shit. On. His. Own.

Conquering on his own would be a sign of power. Simply waging war and being on the verge of winning does not equate to your personal power. Otherwise, Revan = Sadow. Grand Admiral Thrawn = Sadow.

If you knew about the ship, it CHANNELS THE FORCE. That's the reason Kun and Naga were able to blow up the star. Again, most notable feat for both. It was able to channel the force into one very powerful burst of force energy that blew up the star and, in both cases, caused massive destruction. The idea behind the ship clear now?

No, because that doesn't mean that Marka Ragnos > Exar Kun. By your logic, Aleema is on par with Exar Kun and Naga Sadow, since she also blew up a star system.

So, you're entire argument about the ship falls apart. Furthermore, you're saying because X replicated Y's feat of A that X = Y. This is completely untrue, by your logic, Tott "Small Fry" Donetta = Luke Skywalker, and Kyp Durron = Luke Skywalker. Simply because the feat was replicated doesn't mean one is equal to another. And again, as I said, Aleema blew up a star system too. Is she equal to Sadow? Lawlz.

Oh, and by the way, taken directly from the New Essential Chronology, page 18:

"Crado then teamed up with Aleema to execute a military strike using Naga Sadow's flagship. Armed with the vessel's star destroying weapon, they intended to destroy the suns of the Cron Cluster."

So, because two weak ass people from the era of TOTJ use Naga Sadow's ship to blow up a star, are they equal to Sadow? QED, newb.

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Man, this is quality entertainment since u guys at it. JK lol. Too lazy to argue with anyone.

Maybe I haven't read the majority of this thread, but when did we get on topic of Sadow vs. Kun or Ragnos vs. Kun in power?

Since the dawn of man, I've wondered that question myself.

luke.nihilus

mace windu and or jolee bindo
most powerful

Originally posted by Advent
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Er, the picture and link aren't working. On my computer at least. Here it is again:

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And Jolee Bindo sucks. Sorry. Just because he's black, doesn't mean he's powerful.

luke.

lol infinity stop that, u been saying luke for so many threads, well yes njo luke >>> all

luek again

Originally posted by Advent
Er, the picture and link aren't working. On my computer at least. Here it is again:

Imageshack > Freeimagehosting.

And Jolee Bindo sucks. Sorry. Just because he's black, doesn't mean he's powerful.

YOU LIE! *hisses then runs away*

for sith, here goes
knowledge-kreia
many techniques-palpatine
will-sion
singular power-nihilus(his cheap drain)
raw power-kun
potential-anakin

for jedi
NJO luke >>>> all

Luk is Force God now. No Jedi before or after will likely reach where he is.

Sith is a bit more difficult

Intelligence- Palpatine or Traya
Raw Power- Palpatine
Most Accomplished- Palpatine

Fanboy? Nope. I'd say the Galactic Empire owns any other government and his Force Storm owns any other technique drawing on the user's power alone.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Luk is Force God now. No Jedi before or after will likely reach where he is.

Sith is a bit more difficult

Intelligence- Palpatine or Traya
Raw Power- Palpatine
Most Accomplished- Palpatine

Fanboy? Nope. I'd say the Galactic Empire owns any other government and his Force Storm owns any other technique drawing on the user's power alone.

Actually, Luke should be a Force god. But his status fluctuates from time to time, depending on the author. For example, Timothy Zahn wrote Survivor's Quest - which is thirteen years after the events in Dark Empire - and Luke had extreme difficulty defeating a single droideka, with Mara Jade's help.

Then, in the Dark Nest Trilogy, he's able to resist the combined Force attacks of billions of Force users, and is able to kill their queen, simultaneously.

But, yeah. He owns. He's the most powerful Force user, yet.

As for singular Force attacks, yes, a Force Storm is the single most destructive. And, yes, the Galactic Empire is the most powerful military regime ever.

well actually id say anakin at his full potential is way more powerful than even DE sidious or maybe luke because of lucas saying "the most powerful who ever lived"

note the word who ever lived that means SW from the start to the very end,

and people claim GL stated luke = anakin though i want to see the exact quote, luke is a glimpse of what anakin should have become

Originally posted by ESB Vader
and people claim GL stated luke = anakin though i want to see the exact quote, luke is a glimpse of what anakin should have become

I've been asking for the quote as well, not that it even matters. If what I found out is correct, the quote says "Luke became what Anakin should have". Now keep in mind I'm operating under the assumption that he doesn't reference potential (because I don't have the actual quote, nor has anyone produced it). So, in any case, Luke is what Anakin should have become, which is the most powerful Jedi. It doesn't necessarily have to mean Luke equals Anakin in terms of potential. It can definitely be constructed as that.

well still the god creator of star wars george lucas said anakin at his full potential would be the most powerful who ever lived, that means even he would surpass njo luke.

and look at NJO luke, he is incredible doing sh!t which seems impossible,
and GL saying anakin would have been the strongest that means anakin could have done a feat far stronger than a force storm and prehaps even the vongs wouldnt dare to go against the empire with anakin in charge