Who is the most powerful jedi/sith?

Uh, yeah? I already know that Anakin would have a field day with the most powerful beings in Star Wars. I'm just saying the quote - if what I gathered was even right (because, as I said, I don't have the actual thing or haven't read it for myself) - then it hardly means Luke is equal to Anakin in Force potential.

Anakin was suppose to be the most powerful being in Star Wars, since he did not fill that role due to the encounter on Mustafar, Luke has filled that role of being the most powerful. He doesn't necessarily have to have the same potential. Either way you look at it though, it means Luke > All, so it doesn't matter.

hmm agreed then,

well things could be far different if anakin had achieved his goal of being the most powerful

Things that would be different:

1.) Anakin would kill Palpatine, usurping the title of "Galactic Emporer".
2.) Anakin would rule the entire galaxy until his death. That is, unless, if - by some means - he would be able to do what Palpatine did or figured out a way to cheat death (and I wouldn't put that past him).
3.) Luke's future has a couple new possibilities: he would either be dead, or ruling at his father's side. Or he might just live on Tatooine all his life, or become part of the Rebellion. He still has a chance of being a Jedi, but it's highly doubtful - near impossible - without Obi-Wan.
4.) Obi-Wan would've died in 19 BBY.
5.) The Star Wars universe would implode because Episodes IV, V, and VI were made before the prequels, thus Vader cannot fulfill his destiny.
6.) The Rebellion would be crushed, and there'd probably be no New Jedi Order. Maybe, but doubtful.

Among numerous other things. Mainly Lord Vader would be the ruler of the galaxy until his end. That's, of course, only the most likely route. There's always the possibility he could be betrayed and killed, but it's unlikely.

It's important to consider Palpatine knew Anakin would be stronger than him. It's doubtful Anakin could just kill him easily becuase Palpatine's intellect and foresight are miles ahead of Anakin. Anakin is not too bright. He can't control his emotions and he doesn't have the scope Palpatine did to rule an Empire. Then there's the fact a large amount of people respected Palpatine. The Senate welcomed him becoming Emperor which may in fact point out to there being a cult of personality around Palpatine. If he dies at Anakin's hands, the Empire may die with him.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
It's important to consider Palpatine knew Anakin would be stronger than him. It's doubtful Anakin could just kill him easily becuase Palpatine's intellect and foresight are miles ahead of Anakin.

Foresight? Intellect? I don't think Palpatine foresaw getting bench pressed into a reactor core by a one armed cyborg. I mean, even moments before, Luke was practically screaming across the room that he can "feel the conflict within him", and such.

Within time Anakin would've grown more powerful, and unable to be stopped by Palpatine. I doubt he'd go straight for the kill like he did in the non-canonical ROTS game ending. If say, perchance, Lord Vader trains for twenty years without his injuries - it's obvious he'd be able to kill Palpatine. If we do remember, Mace Windu put Sidious on his ass in a duel, and they are described as equals with a lightsaber. How's Sidious going to stop a Force user that would become twice as powerful as himself? We know Anakin would eventually kill Palpatine, as that is the way of the Sith, and that is what Vader wanted. If Vader just decides to outright challenge him while they are alone, what's going to happen then? What "master plan" will Sidious have? Even if he sent in troops, they'd be slaughtered with apparent ease.

To assume, in fact, that Palpatine would be able to control a being more powerful than him is ludicrous, even for Sidious given the sheer power Anakin would possess, coupled along with his intelligence, and so on.

Anakin is not too bright.

Oh, he's not? Must've missed the fact that he's practically Lord Vader, "Lord of Technology", and the fact he's a most brilliant strategist. Shall I post Vader's victories at being a skilled tactician? Because he's got numerous wins. I doubt that comes from being "not too bright". Within time, Vader would become disciplined - as he did. Within time. You seem to be operating under the premise Anakin just kills Palpatine as soon as he sees him after Mustafar. That's highly doubtful.

He can't control his emotions and he doesn't have the scope Palpatine did to rule an Empire. Then there's the fact a large amount of people respected Palpatine. The Senate welcomed him becoming Emperor which may in fact point out to there being a cult of personality around Palpatine. If he dies at Anakin's hands, the Empire may die with him.

You do realize, of course, that the likes of Henithar, Furghan, and Trioculous feel that Vader's personal charisma is as much a keeper of the Empire together as Palpatine, right? Vader wins loyalty and respect from his troops, however, he's really only hated by the inner circle. But, what are they going to do against a being more powerful than Sidious? Disobey him? I think not given his history with disobedience, and failures.

In any case, Vader had planned to rule the galaxy. We do know Vader is intelligent, and obviously thought he'd be able to do it. I have no doubts he couldn't, of course.

Now, I can only assume - like I've been saying - that he'd at least wait to kill the Emporer, so as he could become the most powerful being through Sidious' Darkside teachings, and through that he would become what he was in the OT in terms of personality, and such.

Originally posted by Advent
Things that would be different:

1.) Anakin would kill Palpatine, usurping the title of "Galactic Emporer".
2.) Anakin would rule the entire galaxy until his death. That is, unless, if - by some means - he would be able to do what Palpatine did or figured out a way to cheat death (and I wouldn't put that past him).
3.) Luke's future has a couple new possibilities: he would either be dead, or ruling at his father's side. Or he might just live on Tatooine all his life, or become part of the Rebellion. He still has a chance of being a Jedi, but it's highly doubtful - near impossible - without Obi-Wan.
4.) Obi-Wan would've died in 19 BBY.
5.) The Star Wars universe would implode because Episodes IV, V, and VI were made before the prequels, thus Vader cannot fulfill his destiny.
6.) The Rebellion would be crushed, and there'd probably be no New Jedi Order. Maybe, but doubtful.

Among numerous other things. Mainly Lord Vader would be the ruler of the galaxy until his end. That's, of course, only the most likely route. There's always the possibility he could be betrayed and killed, but it's unlikely.

😄 😄 😄 u forgot to add the yuuzhanvong would be crushed if anakins in charge

Foresight? Intellect? I don't think Palpatine foresaw getting bench pressed into a reactor core by a one armed cyborg. I mean, even moments before, Luke was practically screaming across the room that he can "feel the conflict within him", and such.

And he had also asked Vader early if “his feelings were clear” on Luke. He also intended Luke to kill Vader and Vader intended to use Luke to kill Palpatine. And Palpatine proved his intellect and foresight by becoming the Emperor. That’s proof enough. However, arrogance clouds even the brightest of minds.

Within time Anakin would've grown more powerful, and unable to be stopped by Palpatine. I doubt he'd go straight for the kill like he did in the non-canonical ROTS game ending. If say, perchance, Lord Vader trains for twenty years without his injuries - it's obvious he'd be able to kill Palpatine. If we do remember, Mace Windu put Sidious on his ass in a duel, and they are described as equals with a lightsaber. How's Sidious going to stop a Force user that would become twice as powerful as himself? We know Anakin would eventually kill Palpatine, as that is the way of the Sith, and that is what Vader wanted. If Vader just decides to outright challenge him while they are alone, what's going to happen then? What "master plan" will Sidious have? Even if he sent in troops, they'd be slaughtered with apparent ease.

You are vastly underestimating Palpatine. I do not deny he may in fact be killed by Vader but Vader can not exactly just kill him. Palpatine is one of the best minds in the SW universe. If he is fully aware of how dangerous and powerful Anakin is becoming, he will not just happen to be alone with him one day and Anakin beats him in a fight. This is Palpatine we’re talking about - a man who schemed and manipulated a galaxy into a civil war then played both sides against each other and that was only the middle part of his plan. It took years and years beforehand and afterward for it all to fully work. Does someone capable of that far-ranging intellect seem likely to die so easily?

Also consider Palpatine himself is growing stronger. He has Sith and Jedi holocrons gathered from the Jedi Temple. It’s confirmed his Force powers are growing and growing as is his knowledge after ROTS. He’s gaining knowledge Vader lacks as well as power. Power to rival a full-potential Anakin maybe not but a clear mind - as seen with Obi-Wan vs. Anakin - can run circles around him if they watch them just right.

To assume, in fact, that Palpatine would be able to control a being more powerful than him is ludicrous, even for Sidious given the sheer power Anakin would possess, coupled along with his intelligence, and so on.

Controlling Anakin be no small feat and indeed who knows what Palpatine would do with someone so volatile. That’s left to the realms of mystery.

Oh, he's not? Must've missed the fact that he's practically Lord Vader, "Lord of Technology", and the fact he's a most brilliant strategist. Shall I post Vader's victories at being a skilled tactician? Because he's got numerous wins. I doubt that comes from being "not too bright". Within time, Vader would become disciplined - as he did. Within time. You seem to be operating under the premise Anakin just kills Palpatine as soon as he sees him after Mustafar. That's highly doubtful.

You miss something very vital - near-death experiences tend to humble people. Anakin, had he not suffered that tremendous loss, may have been as headstrong and impatient as he was years and years ago. It may have been losing an arm and legs and being stuck in that suit that made Anakin grow to calm and harness his mind more than being so ruled on emotion. He learned from that defeat and that could have very well impacted his mind. It seems very feasible to me.

In any case, Vader had planned to rule the galaxy. We do know Vader is intelligent, and obviously thought he'd be able to do it. I have no doubts he couldn't, of course.

Now, I can only assume - like I've been saying - that he'd at least wait to kill the Emporer, so as he could become the most powerful being through Sidious' Darkside teachings, and through that he would become what he was in the OT in terms of personality, and such.

That could be. It could not be. Too many variables. I think it be smarter to let Palpatine simly die and then take over. Anakin, had he not suffered that loss at Mustafar, would be in much better shape. Palpatine would be in relatively the same condition as in ROTJ. That means he has like what? 5-10 years? Vader merely waits for him to die, destroys the clones and poof. No more Emperor, no overthrowing. He would be the rightful successor. That all depends if Vader knows about the clones. I doubt Palpatine would tell him, though.

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Nikk, good buddy, I don't think Advent is proclaiming that Anakin is as smart - or smarter - than Palpatine (she'd be wrong). But, Anakin's not dumb - especially in the OT. If Anakin reached his full potential, he would be twice as powerful as Emperor Palpatine. Palpatine's intellect wouldn't do him any good if Anakin just walks up to him and runs him through, or decides to ignore him.

Potential or not, I get your point. Palpatine = smarter than Anakin. We know. But, Anakin's potential > (x3) Palpatine's potential.

That said... he never did intend for Anakin to get injured at Mustafar, and he himself knew that Anakin would end up getting more powerful than him. He seemed to have no problem with it... so perhaps, lol, he did have some means to keep Anakin under his thumb.

But we'll never know.

luke owns.

Originally posted by Escape81
Nikk, good buddy, I don't think Advent is proclaiming that Anakin is as smart - or smarter - than Palpatine (she'd be wrong). But, Anakin's not dumb - [B]especially in the OT. If Anakin reached his full potential, he would be twice as powerful as Emperor Palpatine. Palpatine's intellect wouldn't do him any good if Anakin just walks up to him and runs him through, or decides to ignore him.

Potential or not, I get your point. Palpatine = smarter than Anakin. We know. But, Anakin's potential > (x3) Palpatine's potential.

That said... he never did intend for Anakin to get injured at Mustafar, and he himself knew that Anakin would end up getting more powerful than him. He seemed to have no problem with it... so perhaps, lol, he did have some means to keep Anakin under his thumb.

But we'll never know. [/B]

Or it is possible that with Sidious' unique gift of foresight, he saw Anakin losing his raw power and not becoming as powerful as Sidious had once hoped, so he found another use for Vader, as his servant.

1. Luke Skywalker.
2. Jacen Solo.
3. Kyp Durron.
4. Darth Sidious.
5. Marka Ragnos.
6. Darth Nihilus.
7. Exar Kun.
8. Naga Sadow.
9. Kyle Katarn.
10. Darth Traya.

exar kun, or the emperor emp

1. Luke Skywalker.
2. Jacen Solo.
3. Kyp Durron.
4. Darth Sidious.
5. Marka Ragnos.
6. Darth Nihilus.
7. Exar Kun.
8. Naga Sadow.
9. Kyle Katarn.
10. Darth Traya.

I liked your list Adas. I would rank my list as this:

0. Nihilus (due to his ability, I rank him such)
1.) Luke Skywalker
2.) Jacen Solo
3.) Kyp Durron
4.) Darth Sidious
5.) Marka Ragnos
6.) Exar Kun
7.) Yoda
8.) Naga Sadow
9.) Kyle Katarn
10.) Ulic Qel-Droma

originally posted by Infinity
obi-wan is in my top 10 strongest duelists

1-Luke skywalker
2-Darth Sidious
3-Yoda
4-Obi-Wan
5-Count Dooku
6-Mace Windu
7-Plo Koon
8-KI-Adi-Mundi
9-Kit Fisto
10-Annakin

um i think ur wrong annkin is far better than plo koon, ki adu mundi, kit fisto, and dooku

Umm i've only seen the movies and played a few of the games... all I know is of the original luke skywalker. I guess I would have to say yoda but I don't know the skywalker transformations or whatever so yeah...