Who is the most powerful jedi/sith?

No Escape, they are NOT the same thing. I can argue this all night with you, but the fact remains that what Kun did was unlike what ANYONE else did when they died, save for Palpatine.

If we end up arguing all night, you'd better take some aspirin or something. This illness you've spoke of has recently impaired some of your debating abilities. That's not an insult, but a fact.

I don't know if Palpatine got it from Kun or wherever but they essentially both did the same thing, while everyone else died and showed up as force ghosts anywhere.

Palpatine had no specific anchor, and he's the only Sith Lord to not have one. Kun did. Ragnos did.

Notice how Kun didn't fully learn the technique or didn't have the full technique which is why he was trapped in the Massassi temple.

Well, as of Jedi Academy, Ragnos was trapped on Korriban.

Originally posted by Escape81
If we end up arguing all night, you'd better take some aspirin or something. This illness you've spoke of has recently impaired some of your debating abilities. That's not an insult, but a fact.

When you show me the last time I lost a debate with you, then I'll take your constructive criticism seriously.

Well, as of Jedi Academy, Ragnos was trapped on Korriban. [/B]

This is the best you can do? And you're telling ME to take an aspirin? Interesting. This is too easy but I will respond in respect to you. Ragnos was buried on Korriban, period. You have absolutely no evidence that he was trapped, that's just a ridiculous assumption. On the other hand, can you show me a spirit over 1,000 years old that roamed freely around the galaxy? I'm just wondering, not to mention a 5,000 year old spirit. Despite the fact that you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever, I tend to think that at 5,000 years old, you tend to be one with the force and aren't free to move about the galaxy. This all of course is secondary to the simple fact that Kun was not a dead spirit nor a force ghost, so your points are illogical.

i know i may be wrong but isnt exar kun the only sith spirit 😖 ?

Man, this spirit talk has got me to thinking about Ajunta Pall. Was his spirit not over ten thousand years old? He must have been incredible.

true. i want them to write a novel on him. like they're doing on darth bane 🙂 it looks good. can't wait till it comes out. their also making a plagueis one.

Yeah, I'm hoping they do books on Hord, Pall, Adas and perhaps Xendor and Nadd too. Or at least go more into their story through comics for instance.

No, Pall was around 3,000 years old as a spirit, yet still had powerful abilities.

yeah it would be so cool if they focused on making ancient sith for a while... theres no point for them to continue making luke/han/leia novels cause their getting old. gonna die if they continue 😛

When you show me the last time I lost a debate with you, then I'll take your constructive criticism seriously.

a. That statement was not intended to offend you. However, you yourself have confessed that you haven't exactly been on top of your game here recently.

b. Want me to give you some quotes of here recently when you've grossly misinterpreted one of my arguments, because of this illness or sheer lethargy? To prove that you have been wrong simply because you haven't read completely? I'm pretty sure Jollyjim, Advent, or Lightsnake would even back me up there.

c. And, lastly, are you insinuating that you have defeated all my points before, that I lose all my arguments with you, and that you are a better debator than myself? You may think what you'd like, but I will forewarn you that I believe most people here think otherwise.

This is the best you can do? And you're telling ME to take an aspirin? Interesting. This is too easy but I will respond in respect to you.

I'm sorry, is your ego on overdrive today?

Ragnos was buried on Korriban, period.

I recommend re-playing Jedi Academy.

You have absolutely no evidence that he was trapped, that's just a ridiculous assumption.

See above.

On the other hand, can you show me a spirit over 1,000 years old that roamed freely around the galaxy? I'm just wondering, not to mention a 5,000 year old spirit.

Seems to me that you've been implying this entire time that older = better. Surely, Marka Ragnos - the most powerful Sith Lord ever - should be able to travel freely around the galaxy.

I mean, if Palpatine can do it, why can't Ragnos?

Oh yeah...

Despite the fact that you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever, I tend to think that at 5,000 years old, you tend to be one with the force and aren't free to move about the galaxy.

Really? May I ask you for proof?

This all of course is secondary to the simple fact that Kun was not a dead spirit nor a force ghost, so your points are illogical.

Kun was stripped from his body. His body went bye-bye. That is a physical death. Ragnos died a physical death. Both were referred as spirits. That's enough for me.

Originally posted by Escape81
a. That statement was not intended to offend you. However, you yourself have confessed that you haven't exactly been on top of your game here recently.

Nevertheless, show me where I'm not on top of my game in this debate. When Im not on top of my game I let people know beforehand so there is no confusion.

[QUOTE=7119125]b. Want me to give you some quotes of here recently when you've grossly misinterpreted one of my arguments, because of this illness or sheer lethargy? To prove that you have been wrong simply because you haven't read completely? I'm pretty sure Jollyjim, Advent, or Lightsnake would even back me up there.

When I am wrong, it is BECAUSE of sheer lethargy, unwillingness to read, or poor comprehension, I never denied that.

c. And, lastly, are you insinuating that you have defeated all my points before, that I lose all my arguments with you, and that you are a better debator than myself? You may think what you'd like, but I will forewarn you that I believe most people here think otherwise.

Are you insinuating that I am insinuating that you lost all of your arguments, or even half of them? Where are you getting this? I didn't say I was a better debator than you, nor do I think you are a better debator than myself. Maybe more knowledgable in the Star Wars Universe but that hardly means you're a better debator.

Seems to me that you've been implying this entire time that older = better. Surely, Marka Ragnos - the most powerful Sith Lord ever - should be able to travel freely around the galaxy.

I never said older is better, youre misunderstanding the concept of a ghost spirit and an undead soul(other thread btw)

I mean, if Palpatine can do it, why can't Ragnos?

Because once again, Ragnos died of old age and became a ghost, Palpatine never died because he found the power of immortality.

Kun was stripped from his body. His body went bye-bye. That is a physical death. Ragnos died a physical death. Both were referred as spirits. That's enough for me.

Yet Kun stripped his mortal soul of his body, and became undead, sort of a zombie, which was trapped inside the Massassi temple, while everybody else died. Palpatine and Kun essentially did the same thing, so please don't use that "It works for me" line just because I support my particular argument better.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Are you insinuating that I am insinuating that you lost all of your arguments, or even half of them? Where are you getting this? I didn't say I was a better debator than you, nor do I think you are a better debator than myself. Maybe more knowledgable in the Star Wars Universe but that hardly means you're a better debator.

I really don't think anyone here is a "debator". I'm pretty sure we're all "debaters". 😛

Why the hell did I spell it debator.. Damn

Originally posted by Advent
I really don't think anyone here is a "debator". I'm pretty sure we're all "debat[b]ers". 😛 [/B]

I referred to it with an "o" as well. 😮

thats where I got it from, damnit.

everyone keep on debating 🙂

wouldnt vader at his full potential be the strongest? the 1 if he didnt suffer his injuries. GL said anakin would be the strongest force user who ever lived had he not sustained his injuries.

Luke has the same potential as Vader. And he's reached it

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Luke has the same potential as Vader. And he's reached it

Care to argue with Lucas now?

No more than you do, you reptile.