Goku v. Superman

Wow. That guy is horribly off. Apparently Goku's kick is stronger than the blast of the Death Star, eh?

Well, considering that the Death Star destroyed an entire planetary mass (completely) in 1/16th of a second, this begs for more power than Goku has EVER shown in the series with a mere kick. So yeah, that guy needs to put down the pipe and pick up a physics textbook.

Second, all I hear is "omfg SSJ levels 1-4 make Goku/others millions of times stronger!".

Uh... where does it say this? Specifically? How accurate is the term "millions" in this case? Is this still enough? Can Goku withstand the tremendous, ridiculous amounts of force Superman can both withstand AND dish out?

Third, why is Goku some martial arts master and Superman (despite being around and training for much longer and obviously fighting with more than four animations) is just some dumb, idiotic brute? Can we say "poison the well"?

Also, proof that Goku could take Doomsday with one hand? Or is this bullshit? Is this Doomsday twelve years ago, btw?

And the last one... idiocy in reasoning, for sure.

So... if Superman loses to Thor (Despite the aforementioned PIS that this guy says is a viable excuse for DBZ) and Goku beat someone who is superior to Thor (Who is for all intents and purposes just a pimp-ass hammer with a guy on one end) no matter the circumstances of either, Goku MUST neccessarily be better than Superman?

No. That guy is a moron.

Originally posted by Illustrious
Goku can't 🙂

But goku killed freiza and he had it 🙂

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Wow. That guy is horribly off. Apparently Goku's kick is stronger than the blast of the Death Star, eh?

Well, considering that the Death Star destroyed an entire planetary mass (completely) in 1/16th of a second, this begs for more power than Goku has EVER shown in the series with a mere kick. So yeah, that guy needs to put down the pipe and pick up a physics textbook.

Second, all I hear is "omfg SSJ levels 1-4 make Goku/others millions of times stronger!".

Uh... where does it say this? Specifically? How accurate is the term "millions" in this case? Is this still enough? Can Goku withstand the tremendous, ridiculous amounts of force Superman can both withstand AND dish out?

Third, why is Goku some martial arts master and Superman (despite being around and training for much longer and obviously fighting with more than four animations) is just some dumb, idiotic brute? Can we say "poison the well"?

Also, proof that Goku could take Doomsday with one hand? Or is this bullshit? Is this Doomsday twelve years ago, btw?

And the last one... idiocy in reasoning, for sure.

So... if Superman loses to Thor (Despite the aforementioned PIS that this guy says is a viable excuse for DBZ) and Goku beat someone who is superior to Thor (Who is for all intents and purposes just a pimp-ass hammer with a guy on one end) no matter the circumstances of either, Goku MUST neccessarily be better than Superman?

No. That guy is a moron.

Who said this.

Me personally think this fight is a good one and doesn't end with one hit from eaither side.

This Eagle 299 you quoted.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
This Eagle 299 you quoted.

Oh shit. Th epoint of that post really was the flying thing and difefrent universes, not the one hit kills.

Guy's still a moron, and his word is hearsay. Not evidence.
I could quote my brother on this, but he thinks that Goku is a queer and that Gohan is Krillin's kid.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Guy's still a moron, and his word is hearsay. Not evidence.
I could quote my brother on this, but he thinks that Goku is a queer and that Gohan is Krillin's kid.

Just lieten to the speed thing in different ubiverese and compare it to what flash and quick silver did.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
But goku killed freiza and he had it 🙂

Some people might say the Superman is to fast for Goku. Frankly, I'm convinced that if Goku were in the DC universe, he'd get everywhere he's going in seconds. Conversely, if Supes were in the DBZ universe, it would take him forever to get somewhere, just like it does the Z-Fighters, no matter how fast they get. Seriously, the is an anomily tha there are examples of. In the Buu Saga, it takes Kuririn about 10 minutes to go from the Tenkaichi Bodukai to Babidi's ship. Then a few episodes later, it take Trunks and Goten in Super Saiyan mode several episodes to cover that same difference. They should have covered it in seconds. The fact that it takes the Z-Fighters any time at all to get anywhere is just plot induced stupidity.

You mean this?

Let me go over it for you.

Some people might say the Superman is to fast for Goku.

Translation: I disagree with the idea of Goku being slower because it's part of my premise.

Frankly, I'm convinced that if Goku were in the DC universe, he'd get everywhere he's going in seconds.

Translation: I'm restating my premise with an "IMO" angle and no support.

Conversely, if Supes were in the DBZ universe, it would take him forever to get somewhere, just like it does the Z-Fighters, no matter how fast they get.

Translation: Supes must neccessarily be as slow as the DBZ characters in their universe because I need to undermine Supes' speed to realy pull this argument. This basically means I'm pulling "IMO" and my own deepest desires and forming them into something I'm calling "evident" and then pouring it out for gullible people to suck up.

Seriously, the is an anomily tha there are examples of.

Translation: I never did learn how to spell anomaly; here comes some half-assed support for my fantasy premise.

In the Buu Saga, it takes Kuririn about 10 minutes to go from the Tenkaichi Bodukai to Babidi's ship. Then a few episodes later, it take Trunks and Goten in Super Saiyan mode several episodes to cover that same difference. They should have covered it in seconds. The fact that it takes the Z-Fighters any time at all to get anywhere is just plot induced stupidity

Translation: This is an instance of DBZ people have inconsistant speeds. This further elaborates on my earlier premise of Supes being as slow as the DBZ people because of the effects of speed in their world (Which, if you draw conclusions solely on this, apparently change at random or by plot neccessity) despite being logically unsound.

You mean that post?

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Just lieten to the speed thing in different ubiverese and compare it to what flash and quick silver did.

My hypothesis is if Goku were in the DCverse Where chi cand life force isn't that important then Goku would just be like the monkey king he was originally based off of. Since in that world the best martial artist is batman. So we take the character that has gained his power through martial arts and he becomes as strong as batman is, no stronger.

And in the DBZverse this blackhole surviving natrual energy feild Guy with an S on his chest would beat the tar out of Goku. and confuse the hell out of Goku trying to get a power reading on this guy. . . that or it would be explained that Superman's metabolization converts into chi naturally.

Either way Superman beats Goku. 🙂

Hm. Pwned.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah, his assumptions based on his fanboyism?

My hypothesis is if Goku were in the DCverse Where chi cand life force isn't that important then Goku would just be like the monkey king he was originally based off of. Since in that world the best martial artist is batman. So we take the character that has gained his power through martial arts and he becomes as strong as batman is, no stronger.

And in the DBZverse this blackhole surviving natrual energy feild Guy with an S on his chest would beat the tar out of Goku. and confuse the hell out of Goku trying to get a power reading on this guy. . . that or it would be explained that Superman's metabolization converts into chi naturally.

Either way Superman beats Goku. 🙂

*Sigh* you just trying to make goku look bad. i was merly comparing speed, and the monkey kind was just for the story of the man having a tail plus most of it was done in dragona ball when z came it becames it's own... man your biiter you even made a respect superman thread and listed goku in it...wtf...like seriously.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Who said this.

Me personally think this fight is a good one and doesn't end with one hit from eaither side.

every feat they present doesn't get counted by you guys? 🙁 what exactly are they supposed to do? goku fights in instant transmission that's enough for me to secure that he fights faster than supes..

strength goes to superman.. but strength isn't everything.. when I see superman destroy a solar system or a galaxy using his strength.. I might concede with that argument however..

and durability.. again.. frieza blew up a planet at a low level power.. piccolo destroyed the moon at a power level hundreds of times lesser than that...

these characters get thousands of times stronger than that by the end of z alone.. it stands to reason they have enough durability to contend with superman...

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
*Sigh* you just trying to make goku look bad.[/]b

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
[B] i was merly comparing speed, and the monkey kind was just for the story of the man having a tail plus most of it was done in dragona ball when z came it becames it's own... man your biiter you even made a respect superman thread and listed goku in it...wtf...like seriously.

Well sure I just copied and pasted the posts from other people, I didn't bother to edit at all. LMAO. . how did you know that? Were you trying to stalk me by looking at my recent posts? 😉

Here's Freeza and his father Cold getting killed by a steel sword and "KI" blasts (that's not planet destroying).

Freeza's deaths.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2844/db34pg0947hz.gif

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6841/db34pg0954yj.gif

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2711/db28pg0975ud.gif

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7821/db28pg0982eb.gif

And here's Cold (who is just a little bit above Freeza in power) death from a energy blast (that's not planet destroying).

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1884/db28pg1049yz.gif

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7168/db28pg1066to.gif

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3428/db28pg1070gp.gif

Here's is ssj2 Gohan getting badly enjured from one of Cell energy blast (not planet destroying).

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/31/3506106yq.gif

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7012/3506119ny.gif

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5428/3506122cf.gif

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9973/3506137qj.gif

They're not not close to being as durable as Superman.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, just logical premises of the characters and universe descriptions.

Goku is powered by ki. In the DCverse ki is not a very powerful source of energy, and the highest user of ki, would be the best martial artist in the DCverse. . .Batman.

Superman's power comes not from actual ki, but it can be seen as a life force energy. So Superman in either universe is still powerful. Since Ki is not the only source of power in the DBZverse, after all the Buu's operated from magic, being a magical construct and all.

You don't know the story behinfd Dragonball Z? You don't know of Son Ku kong? Journey to the west? Saiyuki?

Well sure I just copied and pasted the posts from other people, I didn't bother to edit at all. LMAO. . how did you know that? Were you trying to stalk me by looking at my recent posts? 😉

Don't flatter yourself.

Originally posted by dvampire
Here's Freeza and his father Cold getting killed by a steel sword and "KI" blasts (that's not planet destroying).

Freeza's deaths.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2844/db34pg0947hz.gif

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6841/db34pg0954yj.gif

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2711/db28pg0975ud.gif

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7821/db28pg0982eb.gif

And here's Cold (who is just a little bit above Freeza in power) death from a energy blast (that's not planet destroying).

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1884/db28pg1049yz.gif

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7168/db28pg1066to.gif

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3428/db28pg1070gp.gif

Here's is ssj2 Gohan getting badly enjured from one of Cell energy blast (not planet destroying).

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/31/3506106yq.gif

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7012/3506119ny.gif

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5428/3506122cf.gif

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9973/3506137qj.gif

They're not not close to being as durable as Superman.

Your first mistake is thats not an ordinary sword *Sigh*

Energy blast tended to hurt person not explode planet. it's concentraded *Sigh*

Originally posted by jinzin
every feat they present doesn't get counted by you guys? 🙁 what exactly are they supposed to do? goku fights in instant transmission that's enough for me to secure that he fights faster than supes..

strength goes to superman.. but strength isn't everything.. when I see superman destroy a solar system or a galaxy using his strength.. I might concede with that argument however..

and durability.. again.. frieza blew up a planet at a low level power.. piccolo destroyed the moon at a power level hundreds of times lesser than that...

these characters get thousands of times stronger than that by the end of z alone.. it stands to reason they have enough durability to contend with superman...

IT again is only a teleport, not his actual speed, if it was, Buu or any of the other characters whould never be able to hit him when they're fighting. Oh and Superman wins. He faster, stronger, more durable, and has far more stamina. 🙂 😄