we don't learn everything from empirical knowledge.. we have to apply rational thought too... piccolo at a measly 3,000 pl destroys a moon... frieza at 500,000 blows up a planet with his fingertip... characters who ascend into the millions well... it simply stands to reason my friend...
Question: Where is this "millions" figure coming from? Anything after DBZ is simply not canon. It's all BS.
Secondly, Piccolo blew up the moon with a charged shot. Frieza hit a planet's core with a focused beam (literally, the beam's name implies it can cut through most anything) which ended up in the planet breaking up. Then... Frieza was killed in a planetary explosion. Ooo. Owned. Superman can survive those. He can survive in the vacuum of space, in the core of a sun, etc. I don't think you realize just how durable that is... I pointed out before how much damage (in megatons, etc.) a planet killing (Not destroying) meteor unleashes in its impact. Superman has taken blasts that do this amount of damage in scientific notation and survived relatively unscathed. This isn't shooting the core with a focused beam, or blowing up a hollow piece of rock barely a fraction of the size of earth... This is force tremendous enough to destroy a planet entirely. Top this off with Supes' pushing planets around and slugging it out for days with Doomsday who by himself can destroy most of Impereix's probes.... This is well above DBZ feats.
it's not really the events that concern me.. it's what he demonstrates he can do... if he can apply it to the fight (and I see no reason why not) than it matters not whether it's canon or isn't....
Actually, it does matter if it's canon or not. Otherwise, we can just unleash pre-crises Supes on you, Superman Prime, Superman Red and Blue, etc. It's ownage all the way around. If you want to play fair and use only canon sources (For us that would be post-crises Supes) Goku still gets owned.
goku's displayed ability to use kioken in the series.. and he's described his IT as being a movement at an amount equivalent to XXX times light speed (don't know off the top of my head).
Nice. Goku never uses the Kaioken after learning to become Super Saiyin because it damages his body at an accelerated rate. The only other time he used it post-SSJ was in the GT series, and even then for a very small time. If Goku were to envoke Kaioken and power up, Supes would just whallop his ass and break his concentration, probably kill him.
Second, IT requires two things : concentration and the time it takes to put his two fingers to his forehead. Oops. Supes bats him away. So much for IT.
it really depends.. can goku take him out before he wears down? and lets not forget that DBZ guys fight for days at a time...
So does Superman. Superman fought Doomsday for days... and Doomsday could wipe his ass with DBZ characters.
seriously in supes/bats number 3 they were about to get taken down by a large group of assorted villains.. and both conceded defeat like it was truly "the end" I have no doubts that goku would have dispatched the entirety of that superwillian mob in mere seconds on his own...
Uh huh. This is "IMO" logic combined with one comic source... roight. Might I remind you that Goku got his ass handed to him by a weak version of Buu after undergoing a process that puts a lengthy time of training into one day.
they where beating buu just fine.. they couldn't defeat him because he kept reforming and didn't wear down like they did...
They were? Vegeta did a self-scraficing move that was literally ridiculous and it maybe stopped Buu for a few seconds. Meanwhile, everyone got their asses handed to them by Buu, except Gohan who had more potential power than Goku (Who in turn aided Gohan) in creating a beam powerful enough to destroy Buu.
and yes it does appear to be billions enhanced.. there's numerous times akira has at least asserted the increase to be in the millions range.. which is what a lot of fan sites base their power ratings off of...
Really? Highest power rating I have seen was in the Frieza saga, topped off at one million. This was SSJ, I believe. And mind you, SSJ Goku can't use his most powerful attack, the Spirit Bomb, because it requires a pure heart and SSJ is inherently evil. So if you want to chuck around power levels of higher than one million, show instances, cite proof, and do something more than just hearsay, please.
what I don't get here is this... it's not reasonable to assume that dbz characters can blow up a solar system even though they claim to have.. when other characters at 10% or lesser of that same power have taken out planets with the bare minimum of their own power..
No, it's not reasonable to -assume- that DBZ characters can blow up star systems when they haven't ever shown the ability and when they talk of it, it's almost certainly chuff.
YET it IS reasonable to assume that a pointy rock was going to do anything to goku when swords shatter on lesser characters.. and he deflects a sword with his fingertip? 🤨
Well, Vegeta pushing Goku onto that rock probably would have pierced his body, since it had the force of a pissed off Vegeta behind it. Bet you didn't take that into account. As for the sword, I recall it was enchanted. And it broke, too. Anyways...
where's the rationale there?
In your post? no clue.