Originally posted by Creshosk
You realize that I can't read german, and these scans are almost completely illegible anyway don't you?
You realize that it is a fact though......if you can read it or not is not the point....if I couldn't read English and your Black Hole pics would be blurry would still not mean that it's not the truth..and you know it...it is not aboto bringing the ost evidence but talking aboot things that actually are fact..and it is.....I can't do much aboot it I only own the in german.....and my Camera is a *****..I mean I did what I can,....now the question is...do you believe me? Or do you dismiss it cause it is not easy to read?
Originally posted by Bardock42I don't know.
You realize that it is a fact though......if you can read it or not is not the point....if I couldn't read English and your Black Hole pics would be blurry would still not mean that it's not the truth..and you know it...it is not aboto bringing the ost evidence but talking aboot things that actually are fact..and it is.....I can't do much aboot it I only own the in german.....and my Camera is a *****..I mean I did what I can,....now the question is...do you believe me? Or do you dismiss it cause it is not easy to read?
So this is suppoesed to show Goku as being up to Blackhole strength?
Or did I miss something else?
Because I'm still seeing "Here is how they were in the past, now they are gaejio[gr times stronger."
Originally posted by Creshosk
I don't know.So this is suppoesed to show Goku as being up to Blackhole strength?
Or did I miss something else?
Because I'm still seeing "Here is how they were in the past, now they are gaejio[gr times stronger."
I'd say buu can withstand a Black hole the way he dodged the Genkidama...but I cannot be sure of that....I just have doubt that Superman can always win......if the powers you claim for superman are fact he can win against Buu....but believe that Buu coluld win as well...that'S what I am trying to proof....or at least proof to be a possibility
Originally posted by Bardock42No, that's still Hyperbole.
That was never my intention to proof...I was proofing that a Kame Hame Ha could destroy the Solar System and even more......
Originally posted by Bardock42Hmm . . . I really don't know if it's up that high. I still haven't seen anything beyond
I'd say buu can withstand a Black hole the way he dodged the Genkidama...but I cannot be sure of that....I just have doubt that Superman can always win......if the powers you claim for superman are fact he can win against Buu....but believe that Buu coluld win as well...that'S what I am trying to proof....or at least proof to be a possibility
Which is still hyperbole until proven otherwise.
No one is saying the these characters aren't strong. It's just that from what's been shown, currently Superman is stronger.
Let me give you the correct definition of the word you like to throw around that much:
A hyperbole, largely synonymous with exaggeration and overstatement, is a figure of speech in which statements are exaggerated or extravagant. It may be used due to strong feelings or is used to create a strong impression and is not meant to be taken literally. It gives greater emphasis. It is often used in poetry and is a literary device.
Some examples of hyperboles include:
"He is as big as a house!"
"I'm so hungry I could eat a horse!"
"That's the worst idea in the world."
Now, I am not exxagerating..the Power Level System is the basis of Strength in teh Dragonball Universe.....it is a relatively easy system.....and I proofed that Frieza is 20 000 times as Powerful as Roshi...on that base a Kame Hame Ha by a fighter as strong as him has to be 20 000 times as strong as Roshis .....therefore a Kame Hame ha by him would destroy at least 20 000 times the Mass of the Moon .....
It is not hyperbole......not exxagerating..it'S calculating and not even to it'S full potential..now you have to realize that Buu is even stronger than that.....lets take the nexyt step fopr example the Cyborgs they are at aboo 17 000 000, Cell even more.....again not hyperbole, just stating what was said by Akira Toriyama.........now I do not want to claim that Buu is stronger than Superman or anything...I am jsut saying he has a reasonable chance...and the Mangas imply such too......
Originally posted by Creshosk
And yet we still haven't seen any of the things that are claimed.And Superman is still WAY above planet detroying power. . .
they might very well have the ability to destroy solar systems. . . One planet at a time.
But that is still only planet destroying strength, by hitting the core as freiza said.
But thats the thing..we don't have to see it.....DB has a grading system sthat shows us exactly how strong one fighter is....oh and we have sseen the Earth being destroyed by a Ki Blast...not only the Core...the whole thing....
Originally posted by Deus Ex
Frieza was over 4 mil in power level? Seriously? I recall something under 1 mil myself.
the hell are you talking about he was one million in form two... then he asended to form 3 and then to form 4 and at form 4 he was only using 1% of his power when he started.. it's concievable he was over 100 million by the time he got to fighting with goku at 100% power (before he began to fatigue)...
Originally posted by Creshosk
I missed that one. . .This still doesn't show an on par with a black hole I'm affraid.
Destroying planets one at a time < Blackhole
who say's they canonly do it one planet at a time.. that's simply your assumption... you don't even have a good reason to believe that's true other than neglecting reason itself to support that majin vegeta didn't destroy earth with all his power (even though he can control the desctruction caused by blasts like that.. again.. he was saving the planet.. what would be the point of blowing it up?)
somethig else I don't understand is how you keep making claims to hyperbole.. when they are not.. IF vegeta was indeed using all his power to blow up the earth and failed (which he isn't but justr for the sake of argument lets go alond with your argument) then why isn't that considered to be PIS to you? when other, weaker characters have done so much more?
Originally posted by jinzin
the hell are you talking about he was one million in form two... then he asended to form 3 and then to form 4 and at form 4 he was only using 1% of his power when he started.. it's concievable he was over 100 million by the time he got to fighting with goku at 100% power (before he began to fatigue)...
No really, what the hell are you talking about? I already researched it and found out my initial assumption on his power level was wrong. You'd see that if you bothered to read everything before posting.
Secondly, his power level throughout the saga until his death looked like this:
Freeza (form 4 33.3%): 4,000,000
Freeza (form 4 50%): 6,000,000
Freeza (form 4 70%): 8,400,000
Freeza (form 4 100%): 12,000,000
So please, stfu. Over a 100 million is hyperbole bullshit.
who say's they canonly do it one planet at a time.. that's simply your assumption... you don't even have a good reason to believe that's true other than neglecting reason itself to support that majin vegeta didn't destroy earth with all his power (even though he can control the desctruction caused by blasts like that.. again.. he was saving the planet.. what would be the point of blowing it up?)
Funny, I thought Majin Vegeta used an omnidirectional blasts using all of his available power to take out Buu. Look up OMnidirectional.
Second, there is no evidence of Goku being able to blow up a solar system, period. In any case, Supes > Star System destruction.
Try again
somethig else I don't understand is how you keep making claims to hyperbole.. when they are not.. IF vegeta was indeed using all his power to blow up the earth and failed (which he isn't but justr for the sake of argument lets go alond with your argument) then why isn't that considered to be PIS to you? when other, weaker characters have done so much more?
Actually, I'm pretty sure Vegeta -was- using all of his ability and powers. Hence why he died. Plot induced stupidity doesn't affect power levels; it affects character actions. If Vegeta used an omnidirectional, all powered blast in a vain attempt to kill Buu and it didn't cause massive damage and/or blow up the planet below, then it seems reasonable to assume his power was not enough to do so. PIS isn't a factor.
However, let me play devil's advocate and say "Well, it -was- omnidirectional. Perhaps if it had been focused it would have destroyed the planet."
Big deal. You have major powerful characters in the series a few steps behind Goku (Though to be fair Vegeta was stronger than Goku for a bit because Buu beat his ass) who can destroy a planet with a concentrated, focused blast.
How the hell does this spell victory for Goku over Superman? That is the only question we should be trying to answer. The purpose of this thread is JUST THAT. So please, stay on topic.
Originally posted by Illustrious
And what does blowing up the planet even have anything to do with this?Superman can take blasts stronger than Planetary explosions, this has been SHOWN.
So Goku blows up the planet. Okay... Supes can fight in space, Goku can't. Good job fanboys, you just screwed yourself over.
Here is something else Goku can't do.... chill out in the center of the sun unharmed.