Just to clear up the kaioken. It does not cripple a person if they are strong enough to handle it since goku did x 20 and also that he did a super Kaioken while super saiyan. Imagine the speed as goku explained how much faster he gets each time he x it by another so 20 and super ? Super fast, and don't say it's slow because really. (I am just correcting what some one said before about kaioken and that he gets slower and his bbody breaks up so don't go crazy and say some superman thing) Also he is use to it now and unlike the vs vegeta and he went over than he can handle.
Originally posted by TPinaPimp
Super Kaioken = Filler
But in akiras hand manga book he speaks about since the anime is after and how he wanted to add other things...so wouldn't that be cannon...like supermans different comic books other than the superman or action comics. Ok anway there is still 20x kaoken. I think you could agree on the rest then.
Originally posted by TPinaPimp
Akira had almost nothing to do with the anime.... He states this in an interviewAnyway thing is, You have no proof that Kaioken 20x could even be used in addition to SSJ.....
He could turn off ssJ when he chooses. The super kaioken turned off ssj anyway. Even if you don't want to use the ssj thing it is possible for him to just turn of his ssj mode. Hmm what do you think ? Is the x 20 Kaioken faster than a super saiyan ?( I am seriously asking your opinion because I am thinking)
Originally posted by TPinaPimp
I know but I'm just saying that Kaioken 20x won't get Goku anywhere close to Superman (Power and speed) and that bringing up Kaioken in this arguement is useless.....
You under estimate Kaioken. I didn't say it will kill superman but come on how can you say it's speed wouldn't hit superman. I think it would in a fight, and again this is not like Superman Vs Goku in a race around the world with Kaioken. Superman vs kaioken in the area to combat, I think he would get hit since the descrption of Kaioken - This was taught to Goku in the afterlife by Kaio-Sama. It is a power up technique that allows the user to amplify their Ki by how ever much they desire. Goku should not have been able to go past two times Kaioken, but after training under 100x Earth's gravity he could increase it to 20x. The number denotes by how much the user's power level is times (except for regular Kaioken which is 1.5x). E.G: Pl = 5,000 + Kaiokenx10 = 50,000.
And goku explaining it when he first used it. That all his sense increase as well. I honestly don't know what to say if you say that superman can not be touched and the fact that he isn't even aware of gokus kaioken so it's not like he is all tense. They both know the basics on what each does but only by what the people around them know.
Originally posted by dvampire
Kaioken takes up alot of energy, it's why he doesn't use in unless he's out of options. But it still doesn't bring him close to Superman in strength or speed.
Wasn't argueing if it takes up energy and didn't say kaioken kills superman or say that its faster than superman in a race around the world. I said all the senses and speed instantly go that much faster out of n0o where and how is supes suspecting this, and in supes comics the people do connect with him while not fighting fast. If you think superman can't get hit once after all this then I dn.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Wasn't argueing if it takes up energy and didn't say kaioken kills superman or say that its faster than superman in a race around the world. I said all the senses and speed instantly go that much faster out of n0o where and how is supes suspecting this, and in supes comics the people do connect with him while not fighting fast. If you think superman can't get hit once after all this then I dn.
You misunderstood me, Kaioken still isn't enough to match Superman in strength or speed and the technique whould only make things worse for Goku rather than helping him.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
You under estimate Kaioken. I didn't say it will kill superman but come on how can you say it's speed wouldn't hit superman. I think it would in a fight, and again this is not like Superman Vs Goku in a race around the world with Kaioken. Superman vs kaioken in the area to combat, I think he would get hit since the descrption of Kaioken - This was taught to Goku in the afterlife by Kaio-Sama. It is a power up technique that allows the user to amplify their Ki by how ever much they desire. Goku should not have been able to go past two times Kaioken, but after training under 100x Earth's gravity he could increase it to 20x. The number denotes by how much the user's power level is times (except for regular Kaioken which is 1.5x). E.G: Pl = 5,000 + Kaiokenx10 = 50,000.
And goku explaining it when he first used it. That all his sense increase as well. I honestly don't know what to say if you say that superman can not be touched and the fact that he isn't even aware of gokus kaioken so it's not like he is all tense. They both know the basics on what each does but only by what the people around them know.
His speed won't touch Superman becuase Goku is no where near Superman's speed and even by multiplying Base Goku's strenght by 20x his lifting wieght is still NO WHERE close to Superman's.
Originally posted by TwisterGameX
You say superman doesn't get hit once in combat ?
If Superman and 20x Goku are going all out Superman is still way faster and strogner.... and unless Superman is trying to guage Goku's strenght or go easy on him.... Goku stands no chance.
But what I ask is if SSJ2 isn't gunna help Goku... what makes you think Kaioken will?
Originally posted by TPinaPimp
His speed won't touch Superman becuase Goku is no where near Superman's speed and even by multiplying Base Goku's strenght by 20x his lifting wieght is still NO WHERE close to Superman's.
not strength it does speed as well in specific and I think they said how dfast it was when it was just x1 and now it's 20. Combat speed different from race around the world. Then superman comics are a great lie if he is 80 x faster than light in combat speed and can not get hit by any bad guy. This thread is funny because I can't believe I have to argue that superman can get hit. So so far it's superman can not be touched no matter what and wins with his finger. I can't argue there you guys 💃
Originally posted by TPinaPimp
If Superman and 20x Goku are going all out Superman is still way faster and strogner.... and unless Superman is trying to guage Goku's strenght or go easy on him.... Goku stands no chance.But what I ask is if SSJ2 isn't gunna help Goku... what makes you think Kaioken will?
ssj is more of a strengtth thing but does make him super fast. kaioken specifically makes him react and all 5 senses and what not...whats the point, I don't think you will see that superman gets touched. i am not even saying winning or hurting. Next thing that i have to argue is that can goku even see or sense superman or then can he hear superman when he speaks.