Goku v. Superman

Originally posted by theobvious
IT is true that Superman could dodge, but he wouldn't because he's arrogant even though he would deny it. He would try to stop it just like all the others.

It would destroy him. The power of the universe would definitely destroy him.

Superman wouldn't soak in the sun. The most he would do if Goku IT'ed would search for him. He'd most likely go back to being Clark Kent.

Now do your counter thing Creshosk.

Why whould Goku do something so scary though? Goku whould never IT away from a fight. And the spirit bomb is still way to slow, Supes not going to stand around for that to happen.

Originally posted by Sonic x 20
Can Super man stop a Spirit Bomb? The Spirit bomb contians the whole universe's strength. When Goku is SuperSayian 4, he can sense where his opponents are even if he's blind. Goku should be able to breathe in space I think, but Superman can't breathe in space, I think.

Goku is the one that can't breathe in space, Supes is able to breathe for several hours in space. And Supes has also fought while he was blind and he has Superhearing to help, not to mention that hes physically more powerful than any transformation of Gokus.

Thanks. I thought goku was able to breathe by now because vegeta can do it.

Originally posted by theobvious
IT is true that Superman could dodge.

I don't think superman is that strong.... Gokus strength has no real end... I'm sure Goku would rise to the challenge of supes.

See, Goku should be all powerful, but he has not feats to back it up.

On paper, Goku. By feats, Supes.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I don't think superman is that strong.... Gokus strength has no real end... I'm sure Goku would rise to the challenge of supes.

Superman lift small moons with no problem, and push planets with light speed force going against him, ssj3 Goku struggles lifting halve a city and ssj4 Goku could barely push a building. Supes is far stronger.

Originally posted by Dizzle
See, Goku should be all powerful, but he has not feats to back it up.

On paper, Goku. By feats, Supes.

Supes wins in both (sorry).

Hmmmm..... it still needs to be decided. Who moves faster?

Originally posted by dvampire
Supes wins in both (sorry).

Please say as to how... Figured from the beginning of DBZ, when Goku can take and dish out a planet destroying blast, to the end, where he is hundreds of thousands of times stronger than the beginning.

Now, a planet destroying blast is a stretch for Supes to take in the first place. Assuming he can, he CANNOT take something 100,000 times the power needed to destroy a planet. Goku should be freaking Galactus. I know he's never shown it, but even guys like Thanos don't have that much blasting power or durability.

Punches which send human bodies flying at speeds fast enough to make craters or dig fifty foot trenches in the earth, or shoot through a large number of buildings, are no small feats of strength. Stuff like that happened near Frieza as well. Once again, multiply by 100,000, Goku's sitting pretty next to Pre-Crisis Supes, juggling planets.

Speed? Fast enough to use after image techniques in DRAGONBALL. Which would mean hitting AT LEAST the speed of sound. Even light is not Machx100,00, and Goku should probably more than that by now...

So yes. Figured logically, Goku should be up with freaking Galactus, not Superman.

Once again, I realize he has shown none of this kind of power. But figured logically...

I never remember Supes destroying a planet before, but I know Goku did, I think.

I don't think Goku has himself. Vegeta stated he was going to, but Goku overpowered the blast. Frieza destroyed both planet Namek and planet Vegeta. Goku is thousands on thousands of times more powerful than either at the times they did this.

Indeed. Goku has enough Power to blow up a Planet.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Please say as to how... Figured from the beginning of DBZ, when Goku can take and dish out a planet destroying blast, to the end, where he is hundreds of thousands of times stronger than the beginning.

Now, a planet destroying blast is a stretch for Supes to take in the first place. Assuming he can, he CANNOT take something 100,000 times the power needed to destroy a planet. Goku should be freaking Galactus. I know he's never shown it, but even guys like Thanos don't have that much blasting power or durability.

Punches which send human bodies flying at speeds fast enough to make craters or dig fifty foot trenches in the earth, or shoot through a large number of buildings, are no small feats of strength. Stuff like that happened near Frieza as well. Once again, multiply by 100,000, Goku's sitting pretty next to Pre-Crisis Supes, juggling planets.

Speed? Fast enough to use after image techniques in DRAGONBALL. Which would mean hitting AT LEAST the speed of sound. Even light is not Machx100,00, and Goku should probably more than that by now...

So yes. Figured logically, Goku should be up with freaking Galactus, not Superman.

Once again, I realize he has shown none of this kind of power. But figured logically...

And he still can't take city busting attacks, punches and kicks from opponents that hit far less then Supes is going to be doing to him, and sometimes there energy blast does less damage than there physical attacks. Goku has never taken 10 times a planet destroying attack, I don't think he'll be able to even survive a black hole. Supes is also fast enough to after image and do alot more with his speed since he is faster. SSJ4 Goku also got burned by Nova Shinron, Supes can end the match very fast with a simple Heat Vision attack. And Goku or any DBZ/GT character is far from Galactus. 😆

Like i said one punch from Supes whould pretty much end the fight, as Goku (ssj3 Goku is only capable of lifting halve a city with trouble, Kid Buu is on the level of an ssj3, who ssj3 Goku couldn't even take his attacks) has never been up against the punching power Supes is going to be throwing at him.

Far as I am concerned planet busting isn't a feat. The only thing really impressive the Z-fighters have done pre-SS is planet bust and when you take that out you really got nothing.

Why I don't like planet buster:
1)No way to tell how hard it is to blow up a planet since you have nothing to compare it to.
2)Blast and attacks performed by characters waaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger than charaters and blast that have 'busted planets" have hit the earth with no effect.
a) Blast by Nappa makes a crator in the ground instead of blowing a chunk out the planet.
b) Spirit Bomb that hit Freeza hit and exploded in the ground and only left a crater instead of blowing up the planet.
c) Durring the andriod saga they were so much stronger than win they first started there wasn't any comparison, yet blast/punchs/characters being rammed into the ground only destroyed island and caves.
d)There are TONs of times when a blast has simply left a crator in a mountain instead on destroying it or even going all the way through the moutain to the overside.

Once you take out planet busting what exactly has ssj3/4 Goku or any Z fighter at that lvl done that is so impressive?

Like I said Supes is far stronger, durable, faster, and has way more stamina.

remember alot of there attacks aren't using there full strength. We probably haven't seen goku do a kamehamaha with full power, has he has said before "Don't put that much power into it, you will distroy the planet" remember there power is what causes them to fly. When they get hit in all likelyhood they are trying to slow themselfs up before hitting the building or island.

The effects of dynomite are similar to blasts in DBZ. A well placeds stick of dyno can blow up a rock (when a hole is drilled and placed in the rock). A dyno left of the surface will barely scratch the rock. Its the same for the blasts, they can control the direction, most of the time they aren't trying to distroy the planet they are on. No char in DBZ (cept for gohan) ever put all there energy from fresh into a blast. If goku put all his energy into the kamahamaha im sure it would distroy enough.....

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
remember alot of there attacks aren't using there full strength. We probably haven't seen goku do a kamehamaha with full power, has he has said before "Don't put that much power into it, you will distroy the planet" remember there power is what causes them to fly. When they get hit in all likelyhood they are trying to slow themselfs up before hitting the building or island.

The effects of dynomite are similar to blasts in DBZ. A well placeds stick of dyno can blow up a rock (when a hole is drilled and placed in the rock). A dyno left of the surface will barely scratch the rock. Its the same for the blasts, they can control the direction, most of the time they aren't trying to distroy the planet they are on. No char in DBZ (cept for gohan) ever put all there energy from fresh into a blast. If goku put all his energy into the kamahamaha im sure it would distroy enough.....

I've seen Goku do a fully powered Kamehameha wave (Cell, Frieza, Baby, Omega Shinron, Raditz, and plenty more) countless of times, they do have the power to destroy the planet, but they also get badly hurt by attacks far less then planet destroying blasts.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Please say as to how... Figured from the beginning of DBZ, when Goku can take and dish out a planet destroying blast, to the end, where he is hundreds of thousands of times stronger than the beginning.

Big whoop. . .

Originally posted by dvampire
And he still can't take city busting attacks, punches and kicks from opponents that hit far less then Supes is going to be doing to him, and sometimes there energy blast does less damage than there physical attacks. Goku has never taken 10 times a planet destroying attack, I don't think he'll be able to even survive a black hole. Supes is also fast enough to after image and do alot more with his speed since he is faster. SSJ4 Goku also got burned by Nova Shinron, Supes can end the match very fast with a simple Heat Vision attack. And Goku or any DBZ/GT character is far from Galactus. 😆

Like i said one punch from Supes whould pretty much end the fight, as Goku (ssj3 Goku is only capable of lifting halve a city with trouble, Kid Buu is on the level of an ssj3, who ssj3 Goku couldn't even take his attacks) has never been up against the punching power Supes is going to be throwing at him.

Far as I am concerned planet busting isn't a feat. The only thing really impressive the Z-fighters have done pre-SS is planet bust and when you take that out you really got nothing.

Why I don't like planet buster:
1)No way to tell how hard it is to blow up a planet since you have nothing to compare it to.
2)Blast and attacks performed by characters waaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger than charaters and blast that have 'busted planets" have hit the earth with no effect.
a) Blast by Nappa makes a crator in the ground instead of blowing a chunk out the planet.
b) Spirit Bomb that hit Freeza hit and exploded in the ground and only left a crater instead of blowing up the planet.
c) Durring the andriod saga they were so much stronger than win they first started there wasn't any comparison, yet blast/punchs/characters being rammed into the ground only destroyed island and caves.
d)There are TONs of times when a blast has simply left a crator in a mountain instead on destroying it or even going all the way through the moutain to the overside.

Once you take out planet busting what exactly has ssj3/4 Goku or any Z fighter at that lvl done that is so impressive?

Like I said Supes is far stronger, durable, faster, and has way more stamina.

And yet for all of your points, you have yet to comprehend my post. Very sorry in advance, but since I've explained it before, you're either a bit simple or drunk on Superman Jihad.

I mentioned several times that my Goku stats in my previous post are theoretical, and based on how much his power has increased according to numbers, rather than feats. So as to support "Goku wins on paper, Supes wins by feats". You counter with... exactly what I agreed to, if you actually read carefully. Your arguments counter nothing, you're talking to air, or attempting to ride your underground high horse.

And Cresh, you sure about the life force of planets thing? (haven't read the manga, I'm goin by the show, don't remember anything like that) Both planet sploding blasts from Frieza were big enough to very conceivably blow up a planet, life force or otherwise.

Originally posted by Dizzle
And Cresh, you sure about the life force of planets thing? (haven't read the manga, I'm goin by the show, don't remember anything like that) Both planet sploding blasts from Frieza were big enough to very conceivably blow up a planet, life force or otherwise.

think again creshosk.... There power is like a battery...The more they fight using it, the more it drains. Every time they use there power they still have more to carry one fighting... Or have been fighting then done a blast. You have never seen any fighter use all there power in a blast. The only time is when gohan goes all out at freezer and puts all his power into a masenko blast...