Goku v. Superman

Originally posted by Dizzle
An Imperiex probe gave Supes a lot of trouble. Imperiex Prime would incinerate him, easily. It DID incinerate Doomsday, who at the time did much better against the probes than Supes did. Superman would lose to Imperiex Prime with one shot.

Those speed feats are kinda shoddy, as they list Superman at many different speeds. The Flash is ALWAYS portrayed as faster than Superman, yet he can only run at 99% the speed of light without time jumping. Yet Superman can move thousands of times the speed of light? I doubt. He made the Earth-Saturn trip twice, one maybe one hundred times faster than the other. It's all inconsistant. You forgot to mention the debate that went on the Superman/Thor thread about whether Superman was actually vibrating through DD's punches. It can pretty easily be shown as an after-image effect in the dodges.

As to the strength, you have a moon sized object and Pluto sized object (WarWorld) which backs my "pushes small planets" thing.

Oh, you forgot to mention the scans of Superman feeling pain upon hitting Mach 50. There's also one where Superman is racing the Flash, and says himself that he is going 2000 miles per hour. Fast, but not THAT fast. Goku is at least approaching light speed, people at low power levels in DBZ were able to move fast enough to create after-image illusions.

ssj4 Goku isn't close to being as fast as Supes. SSJ4 Goku couldn't even out fly Omega Shirons energy blast. Supes move way faster than them. 🙂

Originally posted by Zen2nd
Plus Goku will just teleports out of the way if needs be.

He only teleports when he uses IT, which is kind of slow when fighting someone who's attacking him because he got to tap onto the persons energy. 🙂

SS3 and below Goku could move as fast as Kal 'El

Originally posted by WAF3001
SS3 and below Goku could move as fast as Kal 'El

They aren't close. ssj4 or 3 Goku couldn't out beat an energy blast, Supes is way faster than any DBZ/GT character; Supes is light speed fast. 🙂

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Thats actually one example ive wanted to use before.Ive read the comic but couldnt remembner the exact speed or even issue number.IIRC Sups was doing about 2200 going all out Sups then starts talking to the Flash about the heroes should work and train together more then Flash shows off his "In 2 places at once" trick

I think i should also again stress the incompatability factor.DBZ characters dont lift weight to show their power and Comic book characters dont take planet destroying attacks then need to grow 50X times stronger for the next opponent

They get hurt by punches and kicks and some of their energy blast aren't even more powerful than there attacks, they are hitting way lesser than what Superman whould do to them. And if they blow up the planet it just makes it worser for them since they can't survive in the vaccum of space. 🙂

Originally posted by WAF3001
Goku could counterthat with an energy blast!

He wouldn't realize it was happening 😉 .

Originally posted by Zen2nd
I doubt superman would be able to get close to Goku. As you remember when one of the humans tried to attack Cell but he was soo powerful his powerfiled was stopping him from even getting close.

DBZ characters can destroy plantes with ease. Even early on in DBZ piccolo blows up the moon and Goku is way more powerful than piccolo.

I checked them out and they could easily be stopped by Goku.

I hear different things about their planet deystroying abilities.I've herd several times Piccolo never deystroyed the moon,he only created the illusion.That might not be true,but i have herd that.

Originally posted by dvampire
They get hurt by punches and kicks and some of their energy blast aren't even more powerful than there attacks, they are hitting way lesser than what Superman whould do to them. And if they blow up the planet it just makes it worser for them since they can't survive in the vaccum of space. 🙂

Physicaly I'm too impressed with the Z characters.Their energy blast are impressive,but Physicaly they're lacking.

Originally posted by dvampire
They aren't close. ssj4 or 3 Goku couldn't out beat an energy blast, Supes is way faster than any DBZ/GT character; Supes is light speed fast. 🙂

You enjoy ignoring arguments, don't you. First off, emergy beams are damn fast. I wouldn't be surprised if it was suddenly revealed that THEY move at light speed. DBZ characters can easily create after-images of themselves by moving extremely fast. Hell, people in Dragonball could do that. The people in DBZ can move fast enough so that they look like they are teleporting to people who pull the aforementioned after image tricks.

SSJ3 at the end of DBZ is probably the most powerful portrayal of Goku, not SSJ4, because GT sucked. Superman failed to stop bullets once. He has stated several times that he is not as fast as light. He's shown pain when propelled past mach 50. (didn't do it on his own either) Wonder Woman at her fastest has been shown at around mach 20. And she gets plenty of hits on him when they fight. He's faster, yes, but not by a very staggering amount.

The most impressive physical feats of DBZ characters are those of defense, when they easily shrug off the very impressive energy blasts.

Originally posted by Dizzle
You enjoy ignoring arguments, don't you. First off, emergy beams are damn fast. I wouldn't be surprised if it was suddenly revealed that THEY move at light speed. DBZ characters can easily create after-images of themselves by moving extremely fast. Hell, people in Dragonball could do that. The people in DBZ can move fast enough so that they look like they are teleporting to people who pull the aforementioned after image tricks.

SSJ3 at the end of DBZ is probably the most powerful portrayal of Goku, not SSJ4, because GT sucked. Superman failed to stop bullets once. He has stated several times that he is not as fast as light. He's shown pain when propelled past mach 50. (didn't do it on his own either) Wonder Woman at her fastest has been shown at around mach 20. And she gets plenty of hits on him when they fight. He's faster, yes, but not by a very staggering amount.

The most impressive physical feats of DBZ characters are those of defense, when they easily shrug off the very impressive energy blasts.

Energy beam are as fast as a photon or laser beam, Supes out raced a beam, ssj4 Goku couldn't. Supes has cought countless of bullets, that one pic where they show Supes missing bullets was only halve the story what happened. Go back at the Supeman vs. Thor thread and see the new pics of Superman speed. SSJ3 Goku was only able to lift havle a city and he lose energy very fast, those punches and kicks would be nothing to Supes. Supes was racing Flash at 100 mach while running without flying. Supes has proven several times thats his faster than light.

They get hurt by energy blast as well as their punches and kicks that do way less than what Supes does, their physical attacks sometimes do more than there energy blast. One punch from Superman and the fight is over, ssj3/4 or anybody from DBZ/GT can't take that much punching power from him or he can just blast him with Heat Vision (5-6000 should be enough) to end the fight.

Nobody in DBZ/GT move at light speed, that whould mean that Goku whouldn't need to use instant transmission; Supes goes light speed on his own. You can move less than sound and light speed, and still look like your teleporting.

In a recent Superman comic when fighting Mt.Rushmore [dont ask] and some other major elemental beings Superman made it abundantly xclear that if these creatures killed off humanity "For the earths sake" that after they were gone he would evaporate the oceons blow away the atmosphere and then talked about smashing the earth itself pieces by piece no matter how long it would take him then he would leave for a new homeworld.Sups can destroy a plaent with considerable effort

Frieza destroyed planet Vegeta by waving his hand at it really hard

Originally posted by EvilCap America
In a recent Superman comic when fighting Mt.Rushmore [dont ask] and some other major elemental beings Superman made it abundantly xclear that if these creatures killed off humanity "For the earths sake" that after they were gone he would evaporate the oceons blow away the atmosphere and then talked about smashing the earth itself pieces by piece no matter how long it would take him then he would leave for a new homeworld.Sups can destroy a plaent with considerable effort

Frieza destroyed planet Vegeta by waving his hand at it really hard

Supes took a direct blast from imperiex (a being that destroy galaxies who's way more powerful than any DBZ/GT character) that sent him from back to earth surface and he still got back up and he take blasts from Darkseid all the time who destroy planets all the time. Frieza used his death ball to destroy planets, but Supes fight people that destroys planets all the time with energy blast and is physically more powerful then any DBZ/GT character.

In Lex 2000 special, with a single strike, Superman spilt one of Saturns moons in half. Supes is way stronger than any DBZ/GT character is.

He didn't take a blast from Imperiex Prime without having Kismet's power at the time, I'm pretty sure. Saturn's moons aren't all that big. Most of them (except for Titan, really) pale in size when compared to an actual planet. Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga was literally thousands of times less powerful than Goku was when he hit SSJ3. Logic would say one SSJ3 power blast should destroy something a couple thousand times the size of the earth. Darkseid doesn't really blow up planets in one blast.

I'd go as far as to say that Goku can move very near light speed. The classic example of after image techniques, not just disappearing, but leaving an image of yourself from where you left, is a Flash trick. That's not being done under Mach one, or anywhere close to it...

Superman has stated himself that he is nowhere near as fast as light. He had to take all of Flash's speed to outrace the photon. Mach 100 is not light speed, or anywhere near it. Light speed is far from instant transmission. Light needs about 4 minutes to get from the Sun to the Earth. IT is used for getting across galaxies.

Actually it takes about 9 minutes for the sun's light to reach earth. The logics of Superman surviving in a vacuum seem a bit impossible but thats what the writters but down.

Instead of trying to compare their abilities I think it would be better to say what skills they are lacking.

I have forgotten the story of Superman, I know his home planet was destroyed and he was sent off to Earth but do his superpowers come from Earth and his that why his people didn't have superpowers to save themselves??

I DO have to mention this is the nicest least flame/troll filled version of this topic i have ever seen[and ive seen this topic a LOT usually done to irritate one fan type or the other]

this still going on...........

though I can't say I'm surprised....

Originally posted by Dizzle
He didn't take a blast from Imperiex Prime without having Kismet's power at the time, I'm pretty sure. Saturn's moons aren't all that big. Most of them (except for Titan, really) pale in size when compared to an actual planet. Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga was literally thousands of times less powerful than Goku was when he hit SSJ3. Logic would say one SSJ3 power blast should destroy something a couple thousand times the size of the earth. Darkseid doesn't really blow up planets in one blast.

I'd go as far as to say that Goku can move very near light speed. The classic example of after image techniques, not just disappearing, but leaving an image of yourself from where you left, is a Flash trick. That's not being done under Mach one, or anywhere close to it...

Superman has stated himself that he is nowhere near as fast as light. He had to take all of Flash's speed to outrace the photon. Mach 100 is not light speed, or anywhere near it. Light speed is far from instant transmission. Light needs about 4 minutes to get from the Sun to the Earth. IT is used for getting across galaxies.

He took a blast from Imperiex Prime while him and Doomday was fighting in space. Supes gets hit by planet destorying attacks all the time rather it's physical attacks or energy blast. SSJ4 Goku couldn't out beat a energy blast from Omega Shinron so he's not even close to light speed. In Flash #209, Supes and Flash was Running over 2000miles per second, and Supes flies way faster than he runs.

War of the Gods #4 Supes out raced an energy beam. In JLA: Heaveavens Ladder, it is stated that Superman can race a Photon to it's target.

In Superman #51, Superman made the trip from Saturn to Earth in a matter of seconds. IT is used like a teleport but Goku isn't close to being that fast.

Originally posted by Zen2nd
Actually it takes about 9 minutes for the sun's light to reach earth. The logics of Superman surviving in a vacuum seem a bit impossible but thats what the writters but down.

Superman was trained by Mongul how to hold his breath for hours. 🙂

doesnt matter if he can survive for 9 or 10 hours since he may be forced to hold his breath for weeks

Superman was trained by Mongul how to hold his breath for hours.

well see the problem there is even if you could hold your breath for ever you couldn't survive in space. The moment you go out to space without a spacesuit you would die, holding breath or not.

Running over 2000miles per second,

Okay I worked it out and going at that speed it would take 3.97 seconds to go around the Earth. Running at that speed they would drag everything they pass with them destroying everything they pass like in the Matrix Reloaded when Neo went to catch Trinity. Are you sure they were running that fast? Because if so its not very realistic then unless they did do heavy damage to the earth

For Superman to reach near the speed of light he would need to go an extra 184,000 miles per second.