Goku v. Superman

Originally posted by Spelljammer

Superman and SonGoku meet face to face. Knowing like that shitty story of DC vs Marvel that both of thier universes are on the line unless they battle to the death.
[b]SonGoku: I can't let my uniserse be destroyed, I hate to do this to you man, you've got a good soul, but.. *Supes wastes no time and flies and pushes Goku through several buildings before coming at a stop at a concrete wall*
SonGoku: You don't waste time do yo--*Superman just throws punch after punch at Goku, pummeling him into oblivioun*
Superman: This is no time to draw out the plot! Someone has to die! *Goku powers up and grabs both his arms and in a blazing aura*
SonGoku: And it aint going to be me! *Goku yells as the aura turns into a large sphere of energy shoving Superman back as a crater is formed underneath Goku's feat. He breathes hard with his eyes clothes trying to recollect his thoughts, he then go's to fly up but Superman catches his leg and swings him across any hard surface that he can spot in his immideate faccinity. He then punches him into the sky only to fly up behind him but it's too late, Goku moves faster and grapples his entire body, wrapped around eachother like two amatuer wrestlers, both struggle on a lockdown*
SonGoku: I've never fought a foe this powerful before, it's a shame you have to die, you'd make a great sparring partNER! *Supes elbows Goku in his ribs repetedly, then grab him bu the head and hurts him into the road so he can kick him in the throat but when he looks all he's kicked is ground, he then looks behind him and sees a fist knock his block off. Goku speeds up and in flashes of lines moves from one place to another jabbing and kicking Superman around*
SonGoku: It's no good, he's too strong, what am I going to do?!
Superman: You're going to die! Only one of our universes is going to survive this! I have a family you know! *Superman pins Goku down frying his skin with laser-eye vision, as Goku grunts and quivers in pain he thinks*
i have a family too.. Chichi.. Gohan.. Krillen.. and the others.. *A bunch of supporting characters and a toaster appear* I WON'T LET YOU DOWN! I CAN'T LET YOU DOWN! THEY'RE ALL COUNTING ON ME!* SonGoku reaches the inner depths of his soul, he knows he has to win inorder to save his family, and SonGoku go's super saiyan!

This ends now, I'm sure of it.
Superman: Jesus, "Superman", blonde haired whitemen sporting the power of gods? Could this support National Socialism ANY more?? *Goku punches Supes in the face causing him to yell in agony and be temporarly blinded, he then spin kicks him in the jaw causing him to do a twist in midair and drop to the ground, he then spins him around and around and hurls him into space*

KameeheeemeeHAAA! *Goku blasts Supes off even farther into space and not only depleting him of lots of health with such a force, but causing Kal-El to soil himself. Though Superman does not die directly by the blast, the lack of compassionate aliens in the Dragonball universe, and the fact that Goku is too drained to go save him no longer being testerone filled with super saiyan power. Superman simply dies in space from either starvation, lack of oxygen, or just lack of hospital care..*
Red God: We ARE going to make sweet lesbian hentai of Lois Lain boning Chichi in some wild orgy with Bulma and Supergirl right?
Blue God: Ofcourse..
Blue and Red God looking at thier creation whanking it off: Sweet.. Rock the dragon fills the mutliverse [/B]

LOL

*Standing ovation*

That was funny, and agood story. Lol

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Again, superman can vibrate invisible, yes. Goku was [b] fighting invisible before kayoken. This is gokus playground.[/b]

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
[b] Dragonball Gt is not dojinshi.
State or national laws do not dictate wether ones own creation is canon or not. It is up to the creator. [/B]

GT isn't cannon.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Someone has an inability to know what the difference is between moving faster than the eye can see and moving at light speeds.

No direct involvement, it's just glorified fanfiction.

GT isn't cannon.

I do understand the difference. Its amazing that goku did this, before going supersayin. Their are 2 ways to become invisible. Literal maniplulation of yourself or the enviornment arouund you, Or Moving at such speeds you are no longer visible.

Can superman "cloak" ala Invisible woman? I guess that only leaves one other option.. . .. So is thier a third variable that im not understanding here?

I would respond to the second half of your post, but then i would be contradicting myself. We have gone through this circular argument, and i have proven you otherwise.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
I do understand the difference. Its amazing that goku did this, before going supersayin. Their are 2 ways to become invisible. Literal maniplulation of yourself or the enviornment arouund you, Or Moving at such speeds you are no longer visible.

Can superman "cloak" ala Invisible woman? I guess that only leaves one other option.. . .. So is thier a third variable that im not understanding here?

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
I would respond to the second half of your post, but then i would be contradicting myself. We have gone through this circular argument, and i have proven you otherwise.

No direct involvement, it's just glorified fanfiction.

GT isn't cannon.

Who gave you permission to declare GT non-cannon?

George Lucas is not directly involved with the Star Wars books, he merely grants permission. Yet the books are still cannon.

You do not have the authority to declare GT non-cannon. Akira Toriyama gave them permision just as George Lucas gives authors permission to add onto the Star Wars Universe. Same thing. Gt's cannon. Simple.

Akira Toriyama even took the extra step to be involved with GT's creation.

Cannon has nothing to do with Legislation. Its all up to Mr. Toriyama. Not you.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The speed it takes to move faster than the eye can see, thus "turning invisible". is signiicantly less than lightspeed.

Then i guess superman wasnt moving at light speed when he vibrated invisible. Darn.

No. You haven't. You have merely stated a contradictory opinion multiple times.

Prove it.

Wait -- you cant.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=351182&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=52

The speed it takes to move faster than the eye can see, thus "turning invisible". is signiicantly less than lightspeed.

True but this doesnt at all mean that Goku is not moving at light speeds. One thing is true though. Goku can move faster than Superman's eye can see. Superman doesnt have the ability to see "invisible" things

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Then i guess superman wasnt moving at light speed when he vibrated invisible. Darn.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
[b]Prove it.[/url] [/B]

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Toriyama was not directly involved with Dragonball GT, [B] but he did supervise the development.
[/B]

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
supervise - To have the charge and direction of; superintend.

watch and ]direct; "Who is overseeing this project?": keep tabs on; keep an eye on; keep under surveillance

Originally posted by SeerQris
True but this doesnt at all mean that Goku is not moving at light speeds.

Originally posted by SeerQris
One thing is true though. Goku can move faster than Superman's eye can see.

Originally posted by SeerQris
Superman doesnt have the ability to see "invisible" things

And you still haven't shown this to make a difference. Superman moves faster and is stronger and more durable at this point in time.

Originally posted by Creshosk
*shrugs* He was vibrating fast enough to not get hit.

Cresh, this is not a contradiction, its a matter of you not understanding the english language.

di·rect
v. di·rect·ed, di·rect·ing, di·rects
v. tr.

1. To manage or conduct the affairs of; regulate. (2nd Usage of the word in my sentence.)
2. To have or take charge of; control. See Synonyms at conduct.
3. To give authoritative instructions to: directed the student to answer.
4. To cause to move toward a goal; aim. See Synonyms at aim.
5. To show or indicate the way for: directed us to the airport.
6. To cause to move in or follow a straight course: directed their fire at the target.
7. To indicate the intended recipient on (a letter, for example).
8. To address or adapt (remarks, for example) to a specific person, audience, or purpose.
9.
1. To give guidance and instruction to (actors or musicians, for example) in the rehearsal and performance of a work.
2. To supervise the performance of.

di·rect·ly
adv.

1. In a direct line or manner; straight: The road runs directly north.
2. Without anyone or anything intervening: directly responsible.(The first usage of the word.)
3. Exactly or totally: directly opposite.
4. At once; instantly: Leave directly.
5. Candidly; frankly: answered very directly.
6. Chiefly Southern U.S. In a little while; shortly: He'll be coming directly

Gotta watch that context man. Didnt i allready straighten you out on that?

Originally posted by Creshosk
It doesn't mean that he is.

Superman's metabolism of sunlight enhances all of biological functions, including his speed of thought, which means his eyes can track things that are moving faster than normal human eyes, which is why he can catch bullets.

And you still haven't shown this to make a difference. Superman moves faster and is stronger and more durable at this point in time.

Oh, well I guess Goku has the same metabolism powers too then because he definately also catches bullets(this is satyrical). The bottom line is Superman is not faster in combat than Goku. Superman Flies Fast(and yes I have seen him punching fast in a comic but no where near as speedily as Goku). Goku is use to dodging a flury of attacks, dodging superman would be just like he does in the show.

You still have not proven that Superman is strong enough to destroy planets, you still have not proven that Superman cannot be harmed by anything less than a black hole, you still havn't proven that GT is not cannon....you still havn't proven alot of stuff. So lets get to it.

Originally posted by SeerQris
True but this doesnt at all mean that Goku is not moving at light speeds. One thing is true though. Goku can move faster than Superman's eye can see. Superman doesnt have the ability to see "invisible" things

Ummm....Superman can see Souls now...

Originally posted by SeerQris
Oh, well I guess Goku has the same metabolism powers too then because he definately also catches bullets(this is satyrical).

Originally posted by SeerQris
The bottom line is Superman is not faster in combat than Goku. Superman Flies Fast(and yes I have seen him punching fast in a comic but no where near as speedily as Goku). Goku is use to dodging a flury of attacks, dodging superman would be just like he does in the show.

Originally posted by SeerQris
You still have not proven that Superman is strong enough to destroy planets, you still have not proven that Superman cannot be harmed by anything less than a black hole, you still havn't proven that GT is not cannon....you still havn't proven alot of stuff. So lets get to it.

I thnk goku has this since he can destroy worlds with his power!

Originally posted by Shirizatu16
I thnk goku has this since he can destroy worlds with his power!

Originally posted by Creshosk
Hardly, it just shows another theory about black holes. The theory that was being used earlier to disprove black holes talked about a black hole of infinite mass, (something that was impossible to exist in the first place, as infinite mass would have infinite gravity which would have infinite pull on an infinite amount of space, and since the universe is significantly less than an infinite size this form of a black hole would suck everything in instantly destroying everything). Now this one is "another dimension", two different theories of black holes. Next there's the theory about them being gateways to other parts in space connected to white holes.

And of course all of these are indeed theories and not proof.

A resonable theory is still an extreme amount of gravity that can effect even light. Not infinite, but really really high.

Smallville is not canon to the comics, different universe as it were, just as I cannot use precrisis superman as he is a different superman.

I'm also refraining from using Superman prime, even though that's a future version of Superman that has uber powers like precrisis . . .

And goku can be beaten by things weaker than planet busters. . . both have gotten stronger since the incidents where they died.

No, I'm ususlly ignoring arguments that are so ridiculous that they really don't need to be addressed.

But since you insist I need to point out that saying pulling away something of extreme gravity is not a strength feat undermines Goku's best feats. As moving easily in high gravity is how our DBZ friends got stronger, that and weights on them.

Also, a black hole is not like a single punch to the face. That's like saying that once you resist the initial pull of the black hole once it's not going to pull on you again, rather than being a constant pull on you and your physical form. Maintaining your form and moving without being crushed in the high gravity is an exceptional feat of strength, durability and speed.

Originally posted by theobvious
I just wanted to point out that a black hole doesn't have infinite mass it has finite mass.

🙂

Originally posted by Shirizatu16
I thnk goku has this since he can destroy worlds with his power!

Superman can also do it! 😆 Why do that though, when he could break every bone in ssj3/4 Gokus body, with a punch.

I am reading a wikipedia artcicle and it does say that Pre-Crisis Superman can travel faster than the speed of light but it doesn't say how much faster.

Originally posted by theobvious
I am reading a wikipedia artcicle and it does say that Pre-Crisis Superman can travel faster than the speed of light but it doesn't say how much faster.

You mean Post-Crisis. We aren't using Pre-Crisis in this debate. But Current Superman is also faster than light.