Better than anything from yours, we don't even get the benefits of pictures. We just get the equivilent of "It's goku! Of course he win's queers!"
The evidence that I have against you is all common sense.
You stated a couple of pages back that since Superman has survived a Black hole that nothing less than a black hole can harm him.
It is my duty to defeat this argument before I can show you how Goku can defeat Superman, since Goku is no black hole (however he could be with the dragon balls).
My proof that Superman can be harmed by things weaker than black holes resides solely in the Superman comicbooks. I am certain that since the black hole event that Superman has been harmed by enemies weaker than black holes. Do you not agree? I dont feel like searching the web for pictures of Superman getting hurt after the black hole event its pointless because I assume you have read a comic where it has happend have you not? Or have all the Superman Comics you have read show superman never getting hurt by things "weaker" than a black hole.
Now I will begin my argument for Goku winning.
Speed: I think we have already discussed that instant transmission is far more quicker than any speed Superman can reach(unless he too has Instant transmission or teleportation). The difference between instant and million times light speed is still a big distinction. Instantly is not a number, and Goku moves at these speeds. Thought is instant, where as light speed is not instant. What more proof do I need. I cant really show you how instant is quicker than light speed, its common sense is it not? So in Speed Goku wins. Do you need anymore proof on this? Do I need to post a clip of Goku Doing instant transmission?
Strength/Power: I can make many arguments for Goku being stronger than Superman in strength, however for now I would like to stick with Goku's ability to destroy planets. If Superman does not have the Strength/Power to destroy a planet, then he does not have Strength/Power stronger than Goku's. Is this not a valid argument? If not please point out where it fails so that I can argue from another point for strength/power. Also show proof that Superman can destroy a planet, as it is that proof which will render my claim inefective, and in which I will pull out another reason.
Agility:
1. Characterized by quickness, lightness, and ease of movement; nimble.
Goku is more Agile than Superman. Here is the proof: Goku throws punches does flips etc at speeds that make him invisible to the eye. In all the Superman comics I have seen I have never seen Superman disapear due to his movements. Anyone who has seen the show has seen espisodes where battles cannot be seen due to how fast Goku's movements are. Do I need anymore proof for this? Do I need to tell you the exact episode in which it happens, or are you going to take my word for it? I am tired of hearing people say proof it I have presented adequate information on the topic. Furthermore Goku's training adds to his nimbleness. He is a nimble fighter look at the battles in the show. Superman is not as agile. He is strong but you cannot say that he is agile. Saying that Superman is more Agile than Goku is like saying that Superman is more Agile than Spiderman. Do you all understand what I mean by agility now?
Fighting Ability: Yes Superman is Strong, but his knowledge of Martial arts is limited. Lets face it, Batman has a higher Fighting Ability than Superman. Batman knows more about fighting and martial arts than Superman. To say that Batman has greater Martial arts knowlege than Goku is sheer ridiculous(I'd say a large portion of DBZ has Goku in some sort of training. This is not so with Batman comics, they do go over his past etc, but Goku has done more training than Batman on a show to comic basis). So Since Goku's fighting ability is higher than Batmans, and Batmans fighting ability is higher than Supermans. Goku is on top in this sector. My proof for this is: in many episodes you see Goku training in martial ways etc. It happens alot in the show, its all the time. Need anymore proof? Do you need the espidoes which show his training? I hardly ever see Superman doing anything martial. This includes flips agile kicks etc. So in order for me to believe that Superman has a higher Fighting Ability than Goku, I need to see proof of him doing Martial Things. Until I see this all he has is Brute strength and standard street walking fighting ability. Such as jabs and right hooks knee thrust etc, very primitive fighting style. And common sense is Martial arts fighting is greater than standard fighting in all casses. The only case that Martial arts wont matter is if your opponent is by leaps and bounds stronger than you. And that is not the case in Goku VS. Superman. Goku is at the very minimum as Strong as Superman(And with my above argument Stronger). Someone said it in the post. Superman had some training from Batman this means Superman recognized that Batman had a higher fighting ability than him. (NOTE: Although Supes had training from batman he did not inherit all of batmans arts)
Gonna stop for now its kinda long.
Originally posted by Creshosk
GT isn't cannon.
Creshok, i prooved that GT is canon. According to my logic, and yours. You denied to read the post. Thats not my fault. GT Is canon. Untill you read my post -- looking at what you just said, you are not in this argument. I refuse to deal with your lack of intelligence any longer.
Originally posted by SeerQrisWhich would be none at all then . . . You still haven't shown anything to show what Superman's best showings have.
The evidence that I have against you is all common sense.
Common sense would dictate the stronger, faster more durable fighter would win.
Originally posted by SeerQrisIf we're to go by their best showings.
You stated a couple of pages back that since Superman has survived a Black hole that nothing less than a black hole can harm him.
Originally posted by SeerQrisYou haven't even shown that he's up to black hole level.
It is my duty to defeat this argument before I can show you how Goku can defeat Superman, since Goku is no black hole (however he could be with the dragon balls).
A pebble is also no black hole. neither is a car oa building or a mountain. None of these can produce the damage that a black hole could either.
Originally posted by SeerQrisNo, I do not.
My proof that Superman can be harmed by things weaker than black holes resides solely in the Superman comicbooks. I am certain that since the black hole event that Superman has been harmed by enemies weaker than black holes. Do you not agree?
There is a disconnect in assuming that Superman's enemies are weaker than a black hole.
Originally posted by SeerQrisOh, so now you're saying it's up to me to prove your case for you. . .
I dont feel like searching the web for pictures of Superman getting hurt after the black hole event its pointless because I assume you have read a comic where it has happend have you not?
Since you took a logic class you should very easily tell me what the name of this invalid argument is. If not you can always google it and find the right one.
Originally posted by SeerQrisAbout time, and it's much overdue, I do hope that you'll back up your claims.
Now I will begin my argument for Goku winning.
Originally posted by SeerQrisIT would be faster over larger distences, however under shorter distences it's subject to the speed of thought. Since Goku doesn't metabolise an external energy source there is no reasonable showing for him being able to think faster than the normal speed of thought like superman does.
Speed: I think we have already discussed that instant transmission is far more quicker than any speed Superman can reach(unless he too has Instant transmission or teleportation). The difference between instant and million times light speed is still a big distinction. Instantly is not a number, and Goku moves at these speeds. Thought is instant, where as light speed is not instant. What more proof do I need. I cant really show you how instant is quicker than light speed, its common sense is it not? So in Speed Goku wins. Do you need anymore proof on this? Do I need to post a clip of Goku Doing instant transmission?
Originally posted by SeerQrisYes because destroying planets is on par to surviving a black hole. . . 🙄
Strength/Power: I can make many arguments for Goku being stronger than Superman in strength, however for now I would like to stick with Goku's ability to destroy planets. If Superman does not have the Strength/Power to destroy a planet, then he does not have Strength/Power stronger than Goku's. Is this not a valid argument? If not please point out where it fails so that I can argue from another point for strength/power. Also show proof that Superman can destroy a planet, as it is that proof which will render my claim inefective, and in which I will pull out another reason.
Also please note that destroying planets in the DBZ verse isn't as impressive as you'd think. Aside from Superman actually having destroyed a planetoid, the DBZverse planets seem to have a "life force"
When freiza was on namek he shot at the planet. Now while the blast was traveling down to the core, the planet started pulling itself apart.
Rather odd for the size of the attack compared to the size of the planet don't you think?
Originally posted by SeerQris
Agility:1. Characterized by quickness, lightness, and ease of movement; nimble.
Goku is more Agile than Superman. Here is the proof: Goku throws punches does flips etc at speeds that make him invisible to the eye. In all the Superman comics I have seen I have never seen Superman disapear due to his movements. Anyone who has seen the show has seen espisodes where battles cannot be seen due to how fast Goku's movements are. Do I need anymore proof for this? Do I need to tell you the exact episode in which it happens, or are you going to take my word for it? I am tired of hearing people say proof it I have presented adequate information on the topic. Furthermore Goku's training adds to his nimbleness. He is a nimble fighter look at the battles in the show. Superman is not as agile. He is strong but you cannot say that he is agile. Saying that Superman is more Agile than Goku is like saying that Superman is more Agile than Spiderman. Do you all understand what I mean by agility now?
Goku is faster becasue he moves faster than the human eye can track?
Unfortunatly that does not compare to being able to move and escape a black hole. Lightspeed is faster than the human eye's tracking capabilities.
Even Wolverine can move faster than a person can see or react. But he's hardly faster than Superman himself. Even real humans can preform this, They had to slow down the film speed in order to film bruce lee. . . who is also slower than Superman.
Originally posted by SeerQrisAbiltity and skill are two seperate things. Goku does indeed have more skills, but ability also draws on everything a person has.
Fighting Ability: Yes Superman is Strong, but his knowledge of Martial arts is limited. Lets face it, Batman has a higher Fighting Ability than Superman. Batman knows more about fighting and martial arts than Superman. To say that Batman has greater Martial arts knowlege than Goku is sheer ridiculous(I'd say a large portion of DBZ has Goku in some sort of training. This is not so with Batman comics, they do go over his past etc, but Goku has done more training than Batman on a show to comic basis). So Since Goku's fighting ability is higher than Batmans, and Batmans fighting ability is higher than Supermans. Goku is on top in this sector. My proof for this is: in many episodes you see Goku training in martial ways etc. It happens alot in the show, its all the time. Need anymore proof? Do you need the espidoes which show his training? I hardly ever see Superman doing anything martial. This includes flips agile kicks etc. So in order for me to believe that Superman has a higher Fighting Ability than Goku, I need to see proof of him doing Martial Things. Until I see this all he has is Brute strength and standard street walking fighting ability. Such as jabs and right hooks knee thrust etc, very primitive fighting style. And common sense is Martial arts fighting is greater than standard fighting in all casses. The only case that Martial arts wont matter is if your opponent is by leaps and bounds stronger than you. And that is not the case in Goku VS. Superman. Goku is at the very minimum as Strong as Superman(And with my above argument Stronger). Someone said it in the post. Superman had some training from Batman this means Superman recognized that Batman had a higher fighting ability than him. (NOTE: Although Supes had training from batman he did not inherit all of batmans arts)
At this point Superman is still stronger, faster and more agile.
Goku has skill going for him, he does have the fighting skill edge, but superman has the ability.
A person can know how to properly lift something, but this pales in comparison to someone with super strength that could lift the thing better.
Originally posted by SeerQrisI await your next post.
Gonna stop for now its kinda long.
Originally posted by SeerQrisNo you didn't.
Creshok, i prooved that GT is canon.
Originally posted by SeerQrisI read them, that's how I knew there wasn't anything really worth pointing out.
According to my logic, and yours. You denied to read the post.
Originally posted by SeerQrisAkira toriyama was not directly involved in GT. In Japan a work needs direct involvement from the original creator to be canon.
Thats not my fault. GT Is canon.
Originally posted by SeerQrisI will deal with your lack of inteligence and arrogance for as long as I need.
Untill you read my post -- looking at what you just said, you are not in this argument. I refuse to deal with your lack of intelligence any longer.
Originally posted by dvampire
I agree with you on one thing, if Goku has the Dragon Balls and wish him away, he does win; with outside help though. Superman is just as good of a fighter as Goku, and has beaten well trained and skilled fighters himself. So hes not the lesser fighter at all. Again Heat Vision comes out fast, it doesn't take long to shoot out of his eyes like Gokus Kamehameha wave whould out of his hands. Heat Vision is hotter than stars; ssj4 Goku could barly take the heat from Nova Shinron who isn't that hot. I say about 5-6000 degrees of Heat Vision is enough to off ssj3/4 Goku, if not, Supes could always amp up the tempatures. Either way, Goku won't be able to block against it.Speed, once again, Superman is able to move his body so fast that he Vibrates (phase) his body throw Doomsdays Lighting/Fire breath, and is able to vibrate his body invisible aswell. Hes also far faster than Goku in flight speed too, as ssj4 Goku could barely out race Omega Shinrons (Omega Shinron could barely beat an explosion made by ssj4 Goku energy blast too) energy blast, Superman has out raced an energy blast to it's target, and can travel faster than light speed.
Superman stronger than ssj3/4 Goku by aloooot. SSJ2 struggles to push a moutain apart, ssj3 isn't that much stronger than ssj2 as he still had a difficult time beating Kid Buu, and ssj4 Goku again struggles with pushing a building and lift a small piece of broken rock with people on it. Superman lifts small moons with little effort, push planets with light speed force going against him, and has held a black hole in his hands.
Superman's stamina is far above ssj3/4 Goku's too. SSJ3/4 Goku lose far too much energy and loses more as he throw energy blasts. Superman fought G.Zod for a week under a red sun, while still holding back, and fought in a war for a century with Doomsday against Gog.
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Superman beats Goku with ease.
And finally, one of the reasons superman cannot win this fight again which i see you did acknowledge, is the fact that goku absorbed the dragonballs in his final hour. Thus if infact he felt he may lose this fight at any moment, he could wish superman out of existance. Giving him another unfair advantage. His magical properties basicly secure things for him.
Originally posted by Creshosk
No you didn't.I read them, that's how I knew there wasn't anything really worth pointing out.
Akira toriyama was not directly involved in GT. In Japan a work needs direct involvement from the original creator to be canon.
I will deal with your lack of inteligence and arrogance for as long as I need.
Typo, he was reffering to my post. Creshok, you didnt read the post. Its that simple. Everything you just said in this post was addressed, and you ignored it From this point out, your refusal to accept the truth has ruined your credibility. Im starting to wonder if your jokeing now, Your posts in regard to gt not being legit will be ignored, as it has been proven. You dont want to accept it? fine. In the same way someone can believe blowing their head off will not kill them -- it doesnt change the fact that it will.
And by the way, you once again busted yourself.
In Japan a work needs direct involvement from the original creator to be canon.
Please go back and read the post
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555that would suck
And finally, one of the reasons superman cannot win this fight again which i see you did acknowledge, is the fact that goku absorbed the dragonballs in his final hour. Thus if infact he felt he may lose this fight at any moment, he could wish superman out of existance. Giving him another unfair advantage. His magical properties basicly secure things for him.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555I did not ignore it. I just didn't find anything worthy of acknowledgeing.
Typo, he was reffering to my post. Creshok, you didnt read the post. Its that simple. Everything you just said in this post was addressed, [b] and you ignored it From this point out, your refusal to accept the truth has ruined your credibility. Im starting to wonder if your jokeing now, Your posts in regard to gt not being legit will be ignored, as it has been proven. You dont want to accept it? fine. In the same way someone can believe blowing their head off will not kill them -- it doesnt change the fact that it will.And by the way, you once again busted yourself.
This is not true, but even if it was, and if you read my post, i prooved it even according to your imaginary logic.
Please go back and read the post [/B]
Simply listing the original creator means nothing. It did not after all say "created by Akira Toriyama", it said that he was the original creator. And he was.
Much like over here Nightmare Before Christmas is aid to be Tim Burton's. But he only created the characters for it. HE didn't write the story. Difference being you don't NEED the permission of the Original creator to create a work in Japan. You do over here.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Right, i agree, superman does have some fighting ability. But i am restateing the fact that Superman does not devote his life to training in combat, and is unquestinably not on the level of Goku. Not at all, not a little. Also i do know what you are talking about goku "struggling" to push a mountian apart, it took him a second to do it, but he wasnt struggling, no more in the way that it takes superman a moment to push a random heavy object. SSj3 is alot stronger than ssj2, by the way. I am aware that supermans vibration business. This is not something that goku is not capable of -- even at a low level. I restate the fact that goku was fighting at speeds invisible to the human eye at an extremely low level. Goku also has an incredible advantage over superman in combat, which is teleportation.
As for goku not being able to take the heat from nova shinron. Let me try to illustrate a picture as best i can. When little boy exploded over hiroshima it was about 540000 degrees Farenheit at ground zero, incinderateing everyone withinn a 500 meter radius. Now takeing into account these are humans, and they were still left "intact", it would take a bit more for their atoms to be completely annihalated. With this in mind, you could sort of make the connection of what power it would require gohan to completely destroy cell, down to the last atom. With this in mind, Goku has taken blasts exceeding these, and has been left in tact. In addition, projectiles are not new to Goku, and it would be very hard for superman to hit goku with an eye laser. Seeing that its movement can be tracked. Goku has dodged beams he knew would do alot of damage to him. I have also seen superman exhausted after frying several of the doomsday like aliens. Basicly, it would be unwise for superman to waste time with this. Whats going to stop goku from warping behind him and crunching him as hes lasering away? Goku does lose energy when he trows blasts, but not much, and in perspective with his final power level, it would take a fraction of his strength to produce such blasts. not to mention goku has an agility advantage over superman.And finally, one of the reasons superman cannot win this fight again which i see you did acknowledge, is the fact that goku absorbed the dragonballs in his final hour. Thus if infact he felt he may lose this fight at any moment, he could wish superman out of existance. Giving him another unfair advantage. His magical properties basicly secure things for him.
Superman has better fighting ability. Goku is a good fighter, but so is Superman, hes fought against skilled worriors that are MAs as well. Hes a well trained fighter on his own, has been trained by Mongul II, Batman, and WW, all who are very skilled fighters. Superman also knows Kryptonian MAs, does train in the MA.
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SSJ4 Goku isn't close to Supermans durability as he gets hit by moutain and city nuking blasts. He gets burned by Nova Shinron who isn't that hot, Supermans Heat Vision is hotter than stars, it whould be overkill if Superman wanted to unleash his Heat Vision at full power (which we still havn't seen yet). Superman has taken a star destroying blast and survived a black hole. And ssj3 isn't alot stronger than ssj2 if he was still having trouble with Kid Buu.
Superman is far faster than Goku, as he has the ability to vibrate his body intangible/invisible and is capable of traveling at faster than light. Goku at ssj4 is still struggling to out beat energy blast, him and Omega Shinron. Superman is far faster.
Superman is far stronger than any incarnation of Goku. Goku has never fought a being with as much punching power as Superman. After a couple of punches this fight will be over. SSj3/4 Goku's punches won't be enough to stop Superman at all, especilly when he has been up agasint beings that can destroy stars with there bare hands.
Superman wins this battle in all areas. Goku physically isn't in Supermans league. 😄 🙂
Which would be none at all then . . . You still haven't shown anything to show what Superman's best showings have.Common sense would dictate the stronger, faster more durable fighter would win.
The evidence against you that I earlier spoke of was that INDEED Superman can be harmed by things weaker than black holes. Are you saying that the enemies Superman Fights are stronger than black holes?If so please proove that.His enemies do occasinaly hurthim so therefore he can be hurt by things weaker than black holes. His enemies do not suck in galaxies and planets etc. Neither can Superman. Do not lie and say that Superman is stronger than a black hole. He got away from it. He did not fight it. Superman cannot Suck planets into himself and he cannot destroy them. Just because I survive a Bullet does this mean that I can now Produce these type of effects. So your argument for Superman being able to destroy a planet due to his black hole feats is not effective, I and I am sure others will require another, I eagerly await it.
Oh, so now you're saying it's up to me to prove your case for you. . .
Dont want you to prove my case just felt like saving some time. So my question to you is, from what point would you like the evidence of Superman getting hurt by things lesser than a black hole. Do you want it to be at a stage after he handled the black hole, if so I'll get to work and I'll post it.
IT would be faster over larger distences, however under shorter distences it's subject to the speed of thought. Since Goku doesn't metabolise an external energy source there is no reasonable showing for him being able to think faster than the normal speed of thought like superman does.
I agree with the first part of your sentence whenyou say that in close range its subject to how fast the person can think. However you said Superman can think faster because he basically can photosynthesize is not a good enough argument. Just because he's recieving energy doesnt mean he's thinking faster(the change is too small to take into account). I can eat a piece of chicken while fighting, its not gonna make me think(much) faster. Goku could simply eat a good meal before fighting and he would do just fine as far as thinking goes. Superman's ability to think fast has nothing to do with his "photosynthesis" and you know this. Now in close distances Goku has the advantage of Martial Arts. He can effectively turn his opponents strikes against them and also dodge them, add that to his teleportation and bam, we got a winner.
Yes because destroying planets is on par to surviving a black hole. . . roll eyes (sarcastic)
No this is absolutely not true. I explained it a little earlier but I'm gonna do it again. He survived a black hole yes. But he cannot produce black hole effects. I can survive many things: Bullets, Car crash, etc but this in no way means I can produce the same effects that the events had on me. Does that make sense? Come on you know beter.
Also please note that destroying planets in the DBZ verse isn't as impressive as you'd think. Aside from Superman actually having destroyed a planetoid, the DBZverse planets seem to have a "life force"When freiza was on namek he shot at the planet. Now while the blast was traveling down to the core, the planet started pulling itself apart.
Doesnt matter how impresive you think it is. Its a planet, it gets destroyed end of story. The question is can Superman Destory a planet yes or no. It has nothing to do with how impresive it is. This isnt a beauty contest.
Rather odd for the size of the attack compared to the size of the planet don't you think?
This sentence is completely irrelevant and you know better. Its odd for alot of things that go on in these comic universes(People fly and shoot lases from their eyes come on now, this is hardly reality). Is it not odd that I see a picture of Superman holding a black hole??? Never knew they were so small...
Goku is faster becasue he moves faster than the human eye can track?Unfortunatly that does not compare to being able to move and escape a black hole. Lightspeed is faster than the human eye's tracking capabilities.
If this is a question of rather Goku can surrive a black hole the answer is Yes absolutey.(The event never happend in the show but come on now he can teleport) Upon being in side he would instantly teleport out, very simple. He would escape unsathed, I bet Supes struggled to fly out of that black hole. Not to mention Green Lantern had to help him in one of those scenarios.
Goku is faster becasue he moves faster than the human eye can track?Unfortunatly that does not compare to being able to move and escape a black hole. Lightspeed is faster than the human eye's tracking capabilities.
Even Wolverine can move faster than a person can see or react. But he's hardly faster than Superman himself. Even real humans can preform this, They had to slow down the film speed in order to film bruce lee. . . who is also slower than Superman.
You're missing my point. Goku's entire battles are invisible. This means he is flying at speeds of light, punching at speeds of light, etc. Superman's can go fater than the eye can track but his battles are not invisible. That means he is moving slow enough for the eye to track. Bruce Lee did not go invisible they slowed it down so we could better see what was happening. I have seen real footage, his kicks and one inch punches become a little blury but not invisible.
Abiltity and skill are two seperate things. Goku does indeed have more skills, but ability also draws on everything a person has.
Incorrect, go to dictionary.com click on thesarus put in Skill. You will soon see that Skill and Ability are Synonyms. Which means they are the same thing, they are in no way two seperate things. You have admited that Goku has more skill so therefore you indirectly admit that Goku has more ability than Superman rendering your argument inefective.
At this point Superman is still stronger, faster and more agile.Goku has skill going for him, he does have the fighting skill edge, but superman has the ability.
No, At this point this is still under debate. You have not proven that Instant is Slower than non-instant. Superman does not become invisible during his battles, I mean entire battles because Goku does.
You have also not proven how Superman is more Agile than Goku. I re-read what you put under the agility sector of my post. Yes Superman flies and runs at light speeds. But he does not fight at those speeds, hence the reason we can see his battles. Batman is mere man, and he can track Supermans punches etc.
I'll end with this quote you made.
In Japan a work needs direct involvement from the original creator to be canon.
This is not true. Please show me this rule that you have pulled from I dunno where. Please show me the clause which states this.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I did not ignore it. I just didn't find anything worthy of acknowledgeing.Simply listing the original creator means nothing. It did not after all say "created by Akira Toriyama", it said that he was the original creator. And he was.
Much like over here Nightmare Before Christmas is aid to be Tim Burton's. But he only created the characters for it. HE didn't write the story. Difference being you don't NEED the permission of the Original creator to create a work in Japan. You do over here.
Yep, except for the fact that does not apply to this situation. This is a matter of wether it is canon or not.
Dragonball GT is not fanwork (something you dont need permission for), BUT not only did it have permission, it was overseen by Akira Toriyama, i cant believe im actually repeating myself. You have recycled the same argument about 6 times now and i have prooven the opposite to you over and over. Not only was he the original creator, he oversaw it, and it is a part of the dragonball trilogy. Oversaw, as in,make changes to the story if he saw neccessairy. Dude, gt is canon, no ammount of proof will make you believe it. You dont have to believe it, thats OK! You might want to read the post over a few times. This is beside the argument, this thread is not about this. Please, save your energy
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555You're confusing Japan's law with America's.
Yep, except for the fact that does not apply to this situation. This is a matter of wether it is canon or not.Dragonball GT is not fanwork (something you dont need permission for), BUT not only did it have permission, it was overseen by Akira Toriyama, i cant believe im actually repeating myself. You have recycled the same argument about 6 times now and i have prooven the opposite to you over and over. Not only was he the original creator, he oversaw it, and it is a part of the dragonball [b]trilogy
. Oversaw, as in,make changes to the story if he saw neccessairy. Dude, gt is canon, no ammount of proof will make you believe it. You dont have to believe it, thats OK! You might want to read the post over a few times. This is beside the argument, this thread is not about this. Please, save your energy [/B]
You don't need permission to publish Fanwork into a sellable form called Doujinshi.
Overseeing it is having a direct involvment which was not there.
No direct involvment, not cannon.
Superman and SonGoku meet face to face. Knowing like that shitty story of DC vs Marvel that both of thier universes are on the line unless they battle to the death.
SonGoku: I can't let my uniserse be destroyed, I hate to do this to you man, you've got a good soul, but.. *Supes wastes no time and flies and pushes Goku through several buildings before coming at a stop at a concrete wall*
SonGoku: You don't waste time do yo--*Superman just throws punch after punch at Goku, pummeling him into oblivioun*
Superman: This is no time to draw out the plot! Someone has to die! *Goku powers up and grabs both his arms and in a blazing aura*
SonGoku: And it aint going to be me! *Goku yells as the aura turns into a large sphere of energy shoving Superman back as a crater is formed underneath Goku's feat. He breathes hard with his eyes clothes trying to recollect his thoughts, he then go's to fly up but Superman catches his leg and swings him across any hard surface that he can spot in his immideate faccinity. He then punches him into the sky only to fly up behind him but it's too late, Goku moves faster and grapples his entire body, wrapped around eachother like two amatuer wrestlers, both struggle on a lockdown*
SonGoku: I've never fought a foe this powerful before, it's a shame you have to die, you'd make a great sparring partNER! *Supes elbows Goku in his ribs repetedly, then grab him bu the head and hurts him into the road so he can kick him in the throat but when he looks all he's kicked is ground, he then looks behind him and sees a fist knock his block off. Goku speeds up and in flashes of lines moves from one place to another jabbing and kicking Superman around*
SonGoku: It's no good, he's too strong, what am I going to do?!
Superman: You're going to die! Only one of our universes is going to survive this! I have a family you know! *Superman pins Goku down frying his skin with laser-eye vision, as Goku grunts and quivers in pain he thinks*
i have a family too.. Chichi.. Gohan.. Krillen.. and the others.. *A bunch of supporting characters and a toaster appear* I WON'T LET YOU DOWN! I CAN'T LET YOU DOWN! THEY'RE ALL COUNTING ON ME!* SonGoku reaches the inner depths of his soul, he knows he has to win inorder to save his family, and SonGoku go's super saiyan!
This ends now, I'm sure of it.
Superman: Jesus, "Superman", blonde haired whitemen sporting the power of gods? Could this support National Socialism ANY more?? *Goku punches Supes in the face causing him to yell in agony and be temporarly blinded, he then spin kicks him in the jaw causing him to do a twist in midair and drop to the ground, he then spins him around and around and hurls him into space*
KameeheeemeeHAAA! *Goku blasts Supes off even farther into space and not only depleting him of lots of health with such a force, but causing Kal-El to soil himself. Though Superman does not die directly by the blast, the lack of compassionate aliens in the Dragonball universe, and the fact that Goku is too drained to go save him no longer being testerone filled with super saiyan power. Superman simply dies in space from either starvation, lack of oxygen, or just lack of hospital care..*
Red God: We ARE going to make sweet lesbian hentai of Lois Lain boning Chichi in some wild orgy with Bulma and Supergirl right?
Blue God: Ofcourse..
Blue and Red God looking at thier creation whanking it off: Sweet.. Rock the dragon fills the mutliverse
Originally posted by dvampire
Superman has better fighting ability. Goku is a good fighter, but so is Superman, hes fought against skilled worriors that are MAs as well. Hes a well trained fighter on his own, has been trained by Mongul II, Batman, and WW, all who are very skilled fighters. Superman also knows Kryptonian MAs, does train in the MA.http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4102/supermanpracticing8qe.jpg
SSJ4 Goku isn't close to Supermans durability as he gets hit by moutain and city nuking blasts. He gets burned by Nova Shinron who isn't that hot, Supermans Heat Vision is hotter than stars, it whould be overkill if Superman wanted to unleash his Heat Vision at full power (which we still havn't seen yet). Superman has taken a star destroying blast and survived a black hole. And ssj3 isn't alot stronger than ssj2 if he was still having trouble with Kid Buu.
Superman is far faster than Goku, as he has the ability to vibrate his body intangible/invisible and is capable of traveling at faster than light. Goku at ssj4 is still struggling to out beat energy blast, him and Omega Shinron. Superman is far faster.
Superman is far stronger than any incarnation of Goku. Goku has never fought a being with as much punching power as Superman. After a couple of punches this fight will be over. SSj3/4 Goku's punches won't be enough to stop Superman at all, especilly when he has been up agasint beings that can destroy stars with there bare hands.
Superman wins this battle in all areas. Goku physically isn't in Supermans league. 😄 🙂
Right, and i have acknoweldged that superman does have some training. What i am saying is, he does not devote his life to it, he does not spend Years training. (Hyperbolic Time chamber...) They spend years in training, over and over. And over, and over, and over. Time does not pass for them, they do not age, yet they can spend years training. Training, training. Superman does not devote his life to training in the arts he is unquestionably, unquestionably, outmatched in this field. Goku is his own master becuase he has no equal.
Again, superman can vibrate invisible, yes. Goku was fighting invisible before kayoken. This is gokus playground.
Goku has fought someone with the punching power of superman. Cell, Majin Buu, Gohan, Piccollo, Trunks, Vegitta, Broli, Super 17, 18, Regular 17, Super buu, Fat Buu, Majin Vegita, Frieza, Cooler, funk.. even raditz. And SSJ3 is much stronger than SSj2, not only was ssj3 not being used to its full potential (Think of leveling up in an rpg and gaining stats throughout the level), Kid buu was incredibly strong, goku was outmatched, yet he still fought him and took memory erasing blows. Goku has been very close to the sun, by the way. He had to kamehameha away from it in space so that he could get to his destination. I acknoweldge that superman can fly at the speed of light -- but once again, this is not a relay race. I do believe goku could win a physical battle with superman, because between his fighting superiority, superior agility, energy, teleportation and lastly, his infinite possession of the dragonballs, like i have stated, even if superman was winning this fight, goku could wish him out of existance. Its unfair, but thats the way it is.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You're confusing Japan's law with America's.You don't need permission to publish Fanwork into a sellable form called Doujinshi.
Overseeing it is having a direct involvment which was not there.
No direct involvment, not cannon.
Originally posted by SpelljammerSuperman and SonGoku meet face to face. Knowing like that shitty story of DC vs Marvel that both of thier universes are on the line unless they battle to the death.
I can't let my uniserse be destroyed, I hate to do this to you man, you've got a good soul, but.. *Supes wastes no time and flies and pushes Goku through several buildings before coming at a stop at a concrete wall*
[b]SonGoku:
SonGoku: You don't waste time do yo--*Superman just throws punch after punch at Goku, pummeling him into oblivioun*
Superman: This is no time to draw out the plot! Someone has to die! *Goku powers up and grabs both his arms and in a blazing aura*
SonGoku: And it aint going to be me! *Goku yells as the aura turns into a large sphere of energy shoving Superman back as a crater is formed underneath Goku's feat. He breathes hard with his eyes clothes trying to recollect his thoughts, he then go's to fly up but Superman catches his leg and swings him across any hard surface that he can spot in his immideate faccinity. He then punches him into the sky only to fly up behind him but it's too late, Goku moves faster and grapples his entire body, wrapped around eachother like two amatuer wrestlers, both struggle on a lockdown*
SonGoku: I've never fought a foe this powerful before, it's a shame you have to die, you'd make a great sparring partNER! *Supes elbows Goku in his ribs repetedly, then grab him bu the head and hurts him into the road so he can kick him in the throat but when he looks all he's kicked is ground, he then looks behind him and sees a fist knock his block off. Goku speeds up and in flashes of lines moves from one place to another jabbing and kicking Superman around*
SonGoku: It's no good, he's too strong, what am I going to do?!
Superman: You're going to die! Only one of our universes is going to survive this! I have a family you know! *Superman pins Goku down frying his skin with laser-eye vision, as Goku grunts and quivers in pain he thinks*
i have a family too.. Chichi.. Gohan.. Krillen.. and the others.. *A bunch of supporting characters and a toaster appear* I WON'T LET YOU DOWN! I CAN'T LET YOU DOWN! THEY'RE ALL COUNTING ON ME!* SonGoku reaches the inner depths of his soul, he knows he has to win inorder to save his family, and SonGoku go's super saiyan!This ends now, I'm sure of it.
Superman: Jesus, "Superman", blonde haired whitemen sporting the power of gods? Could this support National Socialism ANY more?? *Goku punches Supes in the face causing him to yell in agony and be temporarly blinded, he then spin kicks him in the jaw causing him to do a twist in midair and drop to the ground, he then spins him around and around and hurls him into space*KameeheeemeeHAAA! *Goku blasts Supes off even farther into space and not only depleting him of lots of health with such a force, but causing Kal-El to soil himself. Though Superman does not die directly by the blast, the lack of compassionate aliens in the Dragonball universe, and the fact that Goku is too drained to go save him no longer being testerone filled with super saiyan power. Superman simply dies in space from either starvation, lack of oxygen, or just lack of hospital care..*
Red God: We ARE going to make sweet lesbian hentai of Lois Lain boning Chichi in some wild orgy with Bulma and Supergirl right?
Blue God: Ofcourse..
Blue and Red God looking at thier creation whanking it off: Sweet.. Rock the dragon fills the mutliverse [/B]
Well Marvel vs DC was fanvoted and had ridiculous errors like Wolverine beating lobo and Storm beating wonderwoman.
So why not forget that Superman lived in the sun for 1000+ years or survived a black hole. . . Let's just forget all about Supe's history and have him effin die in space due to lack of oxygen or food or something.
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