Goku v. Superman

Instead of debating your only trying to make people look stupid. Kaoken pic shows that his power increaes many time, barrier shows he could use it to block attacks,Solarflare shows to blind, instant transmission shows it's instant when in area, you yet to show superman fighting that fast and dodging. I qouted vegeta on what he said on how fast goku was(Not even anywhere close to ssj) and what krillin said. Yes Sueprman is fast, i know he could run fast,fly fast,blitz fast(like running into you and punch, but you didn't show me him throwing barages of punches and dodging that fast.

Can Superman sense energy levels...can he see goku without his eyes... will a kamehameha tickle superman....Goku could follow his energy level and is more likely to dodge than superman. Superman feats are that Batman dodged punches that Superman gets hit by, because thats superman, no where as near as training as goku. If i recall superman went to his kness do to gravity in some issue....I will debate more tomorrow after I get some info to spell out some things to you, since your blinded by superman and his ability to take on full powered goku with EASE and then take on full power veggeto with ease.

Vegta: hes so fast his movements couldn't be detected by seeing eyes!!
Krillin: he dodged so fast you couldn't tell he moved !!!
Take note he is no where near ssj yet, and pulls this off.

After image (Speed so great that it leaves images...yeah goku is like 12)
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this technique, the user can create a shield around themselves which can withstand
many attacks as long as the person has enough Ki to supply
(the stronger goku is the stronger the shield is)

This allows the user to dematerialize and move as a mass of light. The only downside to the technique is that the user requires a Ki target to "lock onto", and depending on the distance it varies in time. So if it's another planet then it takes a couple seconds, but if it's right in your area it's instant.

Instant Transmision Kamehameha
This is a brilliant attack combination by Goku, which can fool even the smartest enemies. He charges the Kamehameha as normal in front of his opponent, then at the last second he uses Instant Transmision to get close to the opponent and let the blast rip.

Kaioken
It is a power up technique that allows the user to amplify their Ki by how ever much they desire
The number denotes by how much the user's power level is times (except for regular Kaioken which is 1.5x). E.G: Pl = 5,000 Kaiokenx10 = 50,000.

used by consintrating his energy into one spot increasing his power.

this causes the sun's rays to be amplified and reflected into the opponent's eyes, thus blinding them.

Super Kaioken
This is the ability to use the Kaioken attack while a Super Saiya-Jin. Goku uses this against Pikkon in the Otherworld Tournament as a surprise attack.

Ultimate Kamehameha

Just much stronger, and bigger

Saiyans get stronger after each battle, each ssj level increases everything about the person like speed,strength,durability, and so on

Draws his power from the enternal dragon.

Originally posted by EvilCap America
For every example you have shown i can find an instance where Superman gets laided out by MUCH weaker,It isnt really that hard these days either considering how much Sups gets jobbed especially in JLA where Batman has to be the invincible popular one.Anywas the Adversary thing is total BS.A magical opponent laying into Superman should should TOTALLY screw him up.He IS supposed to be weak against magical assult and thats a product of some pretty incompetint writing

So anyways little kid Goku started outy DB with strength in the lower echalon of Superherodom even shrugged off bullets between the eyes,Trains with Roshi and can beat one of the worlds largest armies on his own.King Piccalo comes along and picks apart the worlds defense blowing up cities and performing feats on par with alot of comic book villians and basically takes over the world before Goku kils him.Flash forward several years and Piccalo jr and Grown Goku wreak a whole island with their fight and all this ends up with a sub-500 pl even before DBZ

I cant serious expect to belive Gokus power literally jumps by Hundreds of thousands of times from a point where he was already performing lower-mid level superhuman feats and he could be placed in roughly the same class he started at

Hell if Spiderman even jumped even 10X in his strength[Like when goku would use KaiokenX10] he wold be up there with Thor Sups and the like.Why are equivelent jmps written off as nothing at all here?

Originally posted by Dizzle
An Imperiex probe gave Supes a lot of trouble. Imperiex Prime would incinerate him, easily. It DID incinerate Doomsday, who at the time did much better against the probes than Supes did. Superman would lose to Imperiex Prime with one shot.

Those speed feats are kinda shoddy, as they list Superman at many different speeds. The Flash is ALWAYS portrayed as faster than Superman, yet he can only run at 99% the speed of light without time jumping. Yet Superman can move thousands of times the speed of light? I doubt. He made the Earth-Saturn trip twice, one maybe one hundred times faster than the other. It's all inconsistant. You forgot to mention the debate that went on the Superman/Thor thread about whether Superman was actually vibrating through DD's punches. It can pretty easily be shown as an after-image effect in the dodges.

As to the strength, you have a moon sized object and Pluto sized object (WarWorld) which backs my "pushes small planets" thing.

Oh, you forgot to mention the scans of Superman feeling pain upon hitting Mach 50. There's also one where Superman is racing the Flash, and says himself that he is going 2000 miles per hour. Fast, but not THAT fast. Goku is at least approaching light speed, people at low power levels in DBZ were able to move fast enough to create after-image illusions.

Originally posted by Dizzle
FIRSTLY: Quit bringing up GT.
SECONDLY: Heat vision won't do crap. Goku can take the explosion of a planet.
THIRDLY: Kamehameha's can be fired fairly fast. He also has smaller ki blasts which are instant, and nearly as powerful. Since you keep bringing up GT, Goku has fired Kamehameha's in as long as it takes him to say it before. He has fired them while moving. He's also fired them one handed and using his feet before.
FOURTHLY: Superman never outraced a photon on his own. That was after Flash added ALL of his speed onto Superman. Hell, I could outrun a photon if Flash gave me all of his speed. The vibrating through attacks thing is still debatable, Superman has never had that amount of molecular control. There's a very easy way to argue dodges for all of them. The blurs around Superman don't show him avoiding firebreath, but they do happen to get just to the side of the lightning bolts. Most of your speed and strength examples have more to the story than Superman simply doing them.

And I also know that you pirated all of them from the Supes vs Thor thread...

You guys take one thing from a superman comic that he could do this but take another thing from another comic where the writer sayshe can't do that, but you combined them all to make God right. No logic at all, you make superman way more powerful than he is, and if that isn't the case, how come Superman have trouble with anyone, how the hell is Batman villians dodging anything from superman villians or superman himself. Why need the JSA if superman goes faster that much faster than light. Why doesn't darkseid just blow up the planet since he hates it so much, i am sure superman wouldn't even be aware on where he is. Heat vission as strong as the sun, so why don't it melt everyone near him...

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
You guys take one thing from a superman comic that he could do this but take another thing from another comic where the writer sayshe can't do that, but you combined them all to make God right. No logic at all, you make superman way more powerful than he is, and if that isn't the case, how come Superman have trouble with anyone, how the hell is Batman villians dodging anything from superman villians or superman himself. Why need the JSA if superman goes faster that much faster than light. Why doesn't darkseid just blow up the planet since he hates it so much, i am sure superman wouldn't even be aware on where he is. Heat vission as strong as the sun, so why don't it melt everyone near him...

He can vary the power of his heat vision as well.

All those posts you brought up were countered the first time the post was brought up.

And by bringing up the "Don't bring up GT" post after using GT you killed your credibility.

This arguement is over, Superman wins..... Twisted just admitt defeat

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
You guys take one thing from a superman comic that he could do this but take another thing from another comic where the writer sayshe can't do that, but you combined them all to make God right. No logic at all, you make superman way more powerful than he is, and if that isn't the case, how come Superman have trouble with anyone, how the hell is Batman villians dodging anything from superman villians or superman himself. Why need the JSA if superman goes faster that much faster than light. Why doesn't darkseid just blow up the planet since he hates it so much, i am sure superman wouldn't even be aware on where he is. Heat vission as strong as the sun, so why don't it melt everyone near him...

like I said before.. superman's traveling speed is ridiculously fast.. but I have major dbouts that his combative speed is as comparible... or comparible at all really..

in dbz the combat speed seems to be MUCH faster than the traveling

agreed.

if you look at gotenks circling the world only six times in a 1/2 hour and then you look at every time they fought it is pretty easy to see.

Originally posted by jinzin
like I said before.. superman's traveling speed is ridiculously fast.. but I have major dbouts that his combative speed is as comparible... or comparible at all really..

Superman can fight and travel at high speeds. Go back to page 55 to see his speed feats. 🙂

Originally posted by The True Fear
if you look at gotenks circling the world only six times in a 1/2 hour and then you look at every time they fought it is pretty easy to see.

That they are notlight speed. 🙂

Originally posted by The True Fear
in dbz the combat speed seems to be MUCH faster than the traveling

Yes. And Superman is faster in both, fighting/reflexive and flight speeds. 🙂

Originally posted by dvampire
How is Goku going to hurt Superman when he could barly push a moutain apart inssj2 or ssj4 when he struggled with pushing a building in place and having trouble lifting people on a small rock? Superman whould destroy Goku in a sec.

Here's ssj2 Goku struggling to push a moutain apart, something Superman was doing ten years ago.

http://myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/VideoClips.htm

Here's Superman's feats.

Supes is using his Heat Vision to get the foe off of him.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5001/supes8cz.jpg

Supes shoots a beam of low-intensity Heat Vision at the Moon. People in the watch tower was blinded except for Plastic Man cause sense he had shades on. The Moon is very far from Earth, this shows the range Supes Heat Vision has.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9708/supermansheatvision24vv.jpg

In this pic it shows that Supes Heat Vision stated by them, "his vision is off the charts by any standard scientific measures". They can measure how hot a star is, but they cannot measure the temp of Supermans Heat Vision.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/863/supermansheatvision30nk.jpg

In this pic his power is waning under a red sun, but he still summoned enough Heat Vision to successfully power Jor-ELs planet-moving ion engines. The in this case had a mass 16 times that of Earth's.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6824/supermansheatvision17gy.jpg

In this pic, Superman is flying by the sun to stop the Cannabal planet from destroying the sun. This also prove that Supes is able to blow up a planet aswell. He also heated up a plaent with his Heat Vision before too.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7923/supermansheatvison2np.jpg

Superman calculating the guys melting point. Wich also shows how much he holds back with his Heat Vision, to keep from killing his foes.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8360/08222005124926pm7ji.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3679/08222005125029pm5zg.jpg

Supes just spraying this guy with Heat Vision. If he wanted to, he could kill Goku easily with Heat Vision, without even letting him even breath.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1535/0822311an.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1271/0822323nz.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3776/0822338uf.jpg

Superman can also blind his opponent or just lobotimize his foe with Heat Vision. If he was fighting to kill without holding back there's no telling what he'll do.

Here's proof that Supes is light speed, and is far faster than any DBZ/GT character.

Superman catching bullets with little effort. This is something the DBZ/Gt characters can do also though.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7786/08222005050314pm5fl.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/530/supermancatchingbullets2ww.jpg

Here's Superman reading at high speeds (something Goku or any of the DBZ/GT characters ever done).

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4955/superman1451ba.jpg

Superman fighting at high speeds.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/679/08222005124311pm3un.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9203/pics0017bn.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg

Here's Superman vibrating (phasing) his body so fast that hes going right through Doomsday Lightning/Fire Breath. This is proof that hes far faster than any DBZ/GT character.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg

Here's Superman vibrating his body invisible now, something they also can't do either.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/553/supermaninvisible44zc.jpg

Here's Superman calculating how fast to go on Earths Surface in populated areas. He also plug Lois them ears with cotton while he flew through.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9101/0869a916yt.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/704/08222005052719pm2ys.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8281/08222005052832pm2wo.jpg

Lois asks Superman for Champagne from another contry, and by the time she finishes her short sentence, Supes already got it, and has been waiting for a while.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5899/supespeed6kt.jpg

Superman traveling at high speeds in space.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1831/supermanhaulingassagain37xc.jpg

Superman heres GL (Kyle) about a million miles away from Earth in bed, and he gets there in seconds.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1954/08222005054558pm3oy.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2785/08222005054722pm5jq.jpg

Here's Superman taking Darksied to the sun in seconds. It takes light 8 minutes to get from Earth to the Sun.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5590/darksiedbeaten7sq.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6573/darksiedbeaten25ph.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/192/supermanbatman13pg08097cu.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1609/supermanbatman13pg109es.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5647/supermanbatman13pg114cl.jpg

Superman is far stronger too, as is always holding back. Superman hits Lobo from Earth into orbit, Lobo stats that if he doesn't stop himself that he'll spend the next century obitting around the planet.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4643/supeslobo0uo.jpg

Superman and G. Zod blows are so devastating that they are creating earthquakes and the planet is falling apart. And he was still holding back while fighting under a red sun.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9351/08302005032341pm7oo.jpg

Here's Supes when hes done pulling his punches.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3613/cy14oq.jpg

Here's Superman holding a black hole in the palm of his hand for a while.
Which makes him far stronger than than Goku.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9199/supermanblackhole0015ak.jpg

Here's Superman taking several particle beams.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/60/09122118lq.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3651/durability55et.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3443/09131329ai.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4640/durability20ki.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/1761/durability35ln.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9263/211117fk.jpg

Superman taking a blast equal to a million nuclear blasts.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/850/0822346hj.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3932/08222005121910pm8yp.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6301/089054127na.jpg

Superman surviving the destruction of a sun eater at ground zero. The sun eater is an enormously energetic cloud that literally eats both the energy and mass of whole stars. The sun eater was considerably larger than a star, had been in existence for millenia and had consumed the energy of many stars by travelling from galaxy to galaxy. Which proves that he's far more durable than any DBZ/GT character.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7467/09122005080012pm3uo.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4746/09122005080419pm3ri.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7775/durability49cp.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/851/durability11pn.jpg

Here's Superman actually escaping a double black hole (which beats every feat ssj3/4 Goku or any DBZ/GT character has ever done), this proves his strength, speed, and durability.

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4198/untitled128qt3bk.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5858/untitled138wy8fy.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5207/untitled140kt3ew.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8946/untitled166ov4wo.jpg

Superman has ssj3/4 Goku in strength, speed, durability, and stamina. Goku loses.

🙂 🙂

Superman wins. 🙂

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
goku could also make his kamehameha follow you and combined it with kaioken to make it more powerful.

Zanzoken
This is a technique used by all of the powerful warriors. They move so fast that they leave an after image behind, making it look like they are somewhere else.

Superman can make after images, make his body go intangible, and invisible, he's far faster than any DBZ/GT character. And Superman is faster than the Kamehameha wave (even though Goku won't get the chance to pull it off). 🙂

PWN3D!

Major pwnage. So much for Supes "doesn't fight fast" or that Supes "can't win [for no real reason other than my fanboyism]."