Originally posted by Fishy
Think of all the mayor scientific achievements we have made in the last well 5000 years... Then name one of those that wasn't created because of war.Ever since Egypt society has developed from living in huts to building city's because of war. We even got the huts because of war. We got land because of war, culture because of war. Nuclear power because of war, highways becuase of war, airplanes because of wars, big ships because of wars. Most of our medical science is all based on what was developed in wars.
Most of what is invented is invented in wars and developed on further later on, often for the purpose of new wars. Wars have made us what we are today. Besides we humans could not live in peace, we would go insane. Maybe we could manage without wars, but country's would fall to fast and to easily governments would die faster then ever before. And even if there was peace we should fight as normal humans against other humans because we would want to prove we are better.
War is a necessary thing for a nation to prove itself with, just like fighting is for a normal human being.
that's nonsense,i think that argument is overdone. i think war may give a kind of impetus to improve faster, but any invention only happen at a peaceful place. that's why the first nuclear bomb come from the USA where it's relatively peaceful rather than europe where they are mired in the war.
besides, some of the best, most useful stuff are invented during peacetime. electricity, internet, lighting, steam engine. so we don't need war to improve ourselves.
Originally posted by The Inkeeper
Kill my population, i dont care, i will be underground untouchable, launching many many more toxic explosives in your direction
I'll wear my super-protective clothing, malnipulate your people into thinking that you're a useless coward hiding underground, and they're better off working for me, restore world peace, voted world president, then live my whole life in luxury. so u're going down either way man. 😄
Originally posted by nemo
that's nonsense,i think that argument is overdone. i think war may give a kind of impetus to improve faster, but any invention only happen at a peaceful place. that's why the first nuclear bomb come from the USA where it's relatively peaceful rather than europe where they are mired in the war.
besides, some of the best, most useful stuff are invented during peacetime. electricity, internet, lighting, steam engine. so we don't need war to improve ourselves.
The nuke was developed in times of war, and most of it was done by Germany... Three more months at most and Germany would have had the nuke... Internet was actually invented as a thing to make military communication easier and safer, the fact that it was later on used for other things does not change that. Electricity I agree with. But that is a different kind of invention. I wouldn't know about the steam thing really. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was made for military purposes as well.
Originally posted by Fishy
The nuke was developed in times of war, and most of it was done by Germany... Three more months at most and Germany would have had the nuke... Internet was actually invented as a thing to make military communication easier and safer, the fact that it was later on used for other things does not change that. Electricity I agree with. But that is a different kind of invention. I wouldn't know about the steam thing really. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was made for military purposes as well.
steam was developed by some guy in england by chance.
even though it was in war time, the point is that though england, france, germany and the USA were all trying to make nuclear bomb, it is the US that got it first because over there, it was relatively peaceful, while the other countries were deep in the war. Germany had a lot of great scientists then but they couldn't manage to get it first. i believe the war impare them instead of helping them.
as for the internet, i think though it's intention was to improve military power, it was done at a peace time, had there been war, there would not have the same resources devoted to inventing and improving it. most resources would have been used to kill people. and it might not have been invented.
so maybe(a very slim maybe here) the fear of war keeps us trying to improve our capabilities by inventing new stuff, but if there were real war, it would hurts more than it helps.
any way we don't need war now, next step in human development is to make drugs to fight diseases, and improve our understanding of human, and no war, or the idea of war, is gonna contribute in anyway to that.
Originally posted by nemo
steam was developed by some guy in england by chance.
even though it was in war time, the point is that though england, france, germany and the USA were all trying to make nuclear bomb, it is the US that got it first because over there, it was relatively peaceful, while the other countries were deep in the war. Germany had a lot of great scientists then but they couldn't manage to get it first. i believe the war impare them instead of helping them.
as for the internet, i think though it's intention was to improve military power, it was done at a peace time, had there been war, there would not have the same resources devoted to inventing and improving it. most resources would have been used to kill people. and it might not have been invented.so maybe(a very slim maybe here) the fear of war keeps us trying to improve our capabilities by inventing new stuff, but if there were real war, it would hurts more than it helps.
any way we don't need war now, next step in human development is to make drugs to fight diseases, and improve our understanding of human, and no war, or the idea of war, is gonna contribute in anyway to that.
The US actually just finished Germany's nuke, the only reason Germany couldn't finish it was because Russia was at their borders and they had to send it to Japan. It was intercepted by an American ship and they took the information there and used it. Germany pretty much gave them a 90% finished Nuke, all the US had to do was dot the I's... Really the US did not invent it.
Internet was developed during the cold war for a very good reason actually, to make sure the commies couldn't see what the US was doing and their crap. And again things invented by chance or luck of course were not inspired by wars. Most things however still are.
Originally posted by Fishy
The US actually just finished Germany's nuke, the only reason Germany couldn't finish it was because Russia was at their borders and they had to send it to Japan. It was intercepted by an American ship and they took the information there and used it. Germany pretty much gave them a 90% finished Nuke, all the US had to do was dot the I's... Really the US did not invent it.
where did you get this, i certainly never learned this in history or from any history book. pls quote something to prove what u're saying is true.
Originally posted by Fishy
The US actually just finished Germany's nuke, the only reason Germany couldn't finish it was because Russia was at their borders and they had to send it to Japan. It was intercepted by an American ship and they took the information there and used it. Germany pretty much gave them a 90% finished Nuke, all the US had to do was dot the I's... Really the US did not invent it.Internet was developed during the cold war for a very good reason actually, to make sure the commies couldn't see what the US was doing and their crap. And again things invented by chance or luck of course were not inspired by wars. Most things however still are.
I was under the belief that German scientists defected to the US with their research. I've never heard anything about the US stealing a device from the Germans. Interesting. Though it should be common knowledge that Germany created the first atomic bomb, many still think the US came up with the idea first. The 90% finished nuke thing is interesting also.
Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
I was under the belief that German scientists defected to the US with their research. I've never heard anything about the US stealing a device from the Germans. Interesting. Though it should be common knowledge that Germany created the first atomic bomb, many still think the US came up with the idea first. The 90% finished nuke thing is interesting also.
Still have a few more minutes..
The 90% thing is actually speculation.... However it would only have taken a few more months to finish it at most, so I just said 90%...
And yeah German scientist did defect to the US, but a Submarine U-547 I believe travelled to Japan from Germany with the plans and the means to finish a nuclear bomb it was intercepted by the American navy however... Put that all together and you have America finishing the Nuke that Germany had build for the biggest part. Thats why I often say we should all be happy for every day a country resisted the Nazi's.
A few days might have been enough...
Anyways, i'll get a link tomorrow
i got this from wikipedia, it says the allied got it first.
website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_energy_project
It is generally accepted that the Nuclear Age began with the 1938 publication by Otto Hahn and Fritz Strassman of results that proved Enrico Fermi had observed the bursting of a uranium nucleus, in other words: nuclear fission. Immediately afterwards, Lise Meitner and Otto Robert Frisch described the theoretical mechanisms of fission and revealed that large amounts of binding energy was released in the process. Thus by the beginning of World War II the scientific community was well aware of the early German lead in this area of theoretical physics.The threat of a Nazi atomic bomb was one of the primary driving forces behind the creation of the British TUBE ALLOYS project which would eventually lead to the Allied nuclear weapons effort under Robert Oppenheimer: the Manhattan Project. (Several Germans eventually would make significant contributions to the Allied nuclear effort.) The German government never did finance a full crash program to develop weapons, as they estimated it could not be completed in time for use in the war, thus the German program was much more limited in capacity and ability when compared to the eventual size and priority of the Manhattan Project. In 1945, a U.S. investigation called Project ALSOS determined that German scientists had only almost reached the point that Allied scientists had reached in 1942, the creation of a sustained nuclear chain reaction, a crucial step for creating a nuclear reactor (which in turn could be used for either peaceful purposes, or for creating plutonium, needed for nuclear weapons). There has been a historical debate, however, as to whether the German scientists purposefully sabotaged the project by under-representing their chances at success, or whether their estimates were based in either error or inadequacy.