Batman Vs Punisher

Originally posted by Freaky Zeeky
Compare Batman startegies to Franks and tell which one is better.

This is no prep.

Most of Batman's strategies involve him in his lab, or getting an implement from the Batcave/Watchtower to carry out some drawn out plan.

In a spontaneous occurance he and Frank are on equal terms with Frank having a more lethal arsenal. Out the gate in this scenario the playing field is VERY level and both of these men can battle strategize on their feet. Batman can counter with science and deduction, but that's not available to him in this scenario, it's a fight.

Frank would take him out.

Originally posted by illadelph12
This is no prep.

With prep, yes, Batman would have an advantage, but Frank is good with prep as well. He's not a chemist or scientist like Bruce, but he is a highly trained soldier and tactician; skilled in war games.

He can plan and set a trap for a kill.

He just can't create a computer virus to counteract Brainiac or synthesize kryptonite.

Where does everyone get the idea that Batman is Reed Richards or Henry Pym i.e. a brilliant chemist/biologist/physicist/engineer? Yes he's cunning, a brilliant problem solver, a great detective but I always assumed that his technology was simply applied tech from Wayne Enterprises.

Do you really think that Batman can't think on his feet? And are we forgetting his batsuit, utility belt and all kinds of deadly weapons that's with him all the time...come on dude, really.

Originally posted by shaolin9976
Do you really think that Batman can't think on his feet? And are we forgetting his batsuit, utility belt and all kinds of deadly weapons that's with him all the time...come on dude, really.

No, that's why I specifically said this:

Out the gate in this scenario the playing field is VERY level and both of these men can battle strategize on their feet.

Batman can think on his feet, but he's not the only one. Frank's brain won't stop working to allow Bruce a headstart or any kind of advantage. I think people seem to forget that Batman's opponents have brains also.

Bruce is not the only tactician in this fight, and without being able to fall back to the lab it's a equal playing field. Frank is a top level battle strategist. The areas where Bruce has an advantage aren't available to him in this scenario.

And Bruce is far from a Reed, Doom, or T'Challa.

Really? And you are suggesting that Frank is a better strategist than Batman. How well do you know Batman's history? Do you know that he learned from the best in the world when it comes to fighting. He does not depend on his scientific knowledge. Sure he is not as smart as those two scientist you mentioned but he ain't no dummy.

And who said Batman needs all this lab work to beat an opponent?

With no prep Batman's screwed against the Punisher.

Prove it!

Alright,I'll try.The Punisher has all of these weapons that can kill anyone and Batman will do most of his damage by fighting which means he'll have to be close to the Punisher but that would be a mistake because if Batman's up close,the Punisher has an easier target.Batman would have to figure out how to fight the Punisher without being up close.If he throws some weapons the Punisher can use his guns to stop them from hitting him.So he'd have to make some more powerful weapons.And if that doens't work he'd have to figure out how to get close to the Punisher without being shot.His cape won't survive all of those bullets for him the whole battle.

Originally posted by shaolin9976
Really? And you are suggesting that Frank is a better strategist than Batman. How well do you know Batman's history? Do you know that he learned from the best in the world when it comes to fighting. He does not depend on his scientific knowledge. Sure he is not as smart as those two scientist you mentioned but he ain't no dummy.

And who said Batman needs all this lab work to beat an opponent?

Again, no. Frank isn't a better battle strategist than Batman, but he's his equal at the least in pure battle tactics. When you add Batman's resources as a billionaire behind a tech conglomorate and his advanced laboratory and computers, etc, it tips the scales in his favor for formulating a strategy. Take those away out on the street with his standard gear and no support against someone of equal combat skill, it's 50/50.

Punisher has a superior arsenal. He has all of the same implements as Batman minus batarangs and gas powered grappling hooks, but plus automatic assault rifles, semi auto handguns, uzis (Mini SMGs), a sniper rifle, and a magnum, and he plays for keeps.

He can kill Bruce.

And you are assuming that the Punisher figured Batman out right away...wow!

Originally posted by shaolin9976
Straight up fight? Batman knows his strengths and weaknesses...he will not fight who has a deathwish straight up...he will use his brains and outsmart Punisher...which will be the result of his victory!

And what weaknesses by the way 😕 ?

The Punisher would have Micro-Chip do all of his work for him.Well,actually he already does do everything for him.

Batman KNOWS HIS OWN strength and weakness...

Originally posted by shaolin9976
Batman KNOWS HIS OWN strength and weakness...

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Originally posted by Zod4Life
Alright,I'll try.The Punisher has all of these weapons that can kill anyone and Batman will do most of his damage by fighting which means he'll have to be close to the Punisher but that would be a mistake because if Batman's up close,the Punisher has an easier target.Batman would have to figure out how to fight the Punisher without being up close.If he throws some weapons the Punisher can use his guns to stop them from hitting him.So he'd have to make some more powerful weapons.And if that doens't work he'd have to figure out how to get close to the Punisher without being shot.His cape won't survive all of those bullets for him the whole battle.

Batman would eat Punisher alive. I love Castle, but Batman is a way better strategist. Castle has guns and good aim, but Batman has been fighting foes like that for years.

As for fighting up close, Batman could just toss a gas/baomb/freeze pellet/etc at him, and if Frank shot it it would mess him up badly. Or Batman could just dodge his way in--he's a much better h2h fighter than Frank as well.

Batman wins 8/10. Frank COULD take him--but not as many times.

Oh, and Batman is a scientist,detective,etc. He just modifies a lot of Wayne Tech inventions for his personal use.

Originally posted by Zod4Life
The Punisher would have Micro-Chip do all of his work for him.Well,actually he already does do everything for him.

😕 Punisher already filled Micro with lead...

Originally posted by DrDoom
😕 Punisher already filled Micro with lead...

He killed Micro-Chip?The bastard....I only knew about Micro-Chip from the Spider-Man cartoon from the 1990's.The two comics I read with the Punisher never had Micxro-Chip in them.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Again, no. Frank isn't a better battle strategist than Batman, but he's his equal at the least in pure battle tactics. When you add Batman's resources as a billionaire behind a tech conglomorate and his advanced laboratory and computers, etc, it tips the scales in his favor for formulating a strategy. Take those away out on the street with his standard gear and no support against someone of equal combat skill, it's 50/50.

Punisher has a superior arsenal. He has all of the same implements as Batman minus batarangs and gas powered grappling hooks, but plus automatic assault rifles, semi auto handguns, uzis (Mini SMGs), a sniper rifle, and a magnum, and he plays for keeps.

He can kill Bruce.

All the guns in the world wo't help Frank, and where do they fight? The beginner of this thread never stated.
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Originally posted by DrDoom
Batman would eat Punisher alive. I love Castle, but Batman is a way better strategist. Castle has guns and good aim, but Batman has been fighting foes like that for years.

As for fighting up close, Batman could just toss a gas/baomb/freeze pellet/etc at him, and if Frank shot it it would mess him up badly. Or Batman could just dodge his way in--he's a much better h2h fighter than Frank as well.

Batman wins 8/10. Frank COULD take him--but not as many times.

Oh, and Batman is a scientist,detective,etc. He just modifies a lot of Wayne Tech inventions for his personal use.

Dodge his way in through a hail of armour piercing bullets... it could happen.

Oh I have no doubt Batman tinkers, but some would have you believe he's an inventive/scientific genius on par with Richards/Pym/McCoy/Doom etc