Really? And you are suggesting that Frank is a better strategist than Batman. How well do you know Batman's history? Do you know that he learned from the best in the world when it comes to fighting.
Frank learned on-the-job in Vietnam, survived, and thrived. He's crafted from war and already perfected his ability to strategize. Batman does as great as he does due to seemingly limitless resources; take all that away and they're probably pretty much equal.
Frank won't be able to take Bruce in a hand-to-hand fight. But with a gun in his hand? Even if he loses, he'll give Batman a lot of trouble.
Originally posted by DrDoom
Batman would eat Punisher alive. I love Castle, but Batman is a way better strategist. Castle has guns and good aim, but Batman has been fighting foes like that for years.As for fighting up close, Batman could just toss a gas/baomb/freeze pellet/etc at him, and if Frank shot it it would mess him up badly. Or Batman could just dodge his way in--he's a much better h2h fighter than Frank as well.
Batman wins 8/10. Frank COULD take him--but not as many times.
Oh, and Batman is a scientist,detective,etc. He just modifies a lot of Wayne Tech inventions for his personal use.
I highly doubt Batman would "eat Punisher alive" in a spontaneous encounter. Batman's not the only one packing grenades, or the only one with ability to dodge attacks and use cover. Frank has a wide array of ranged attacks as well and is very accurate. In a pure combat scenario he can match and counter Batman easily.
People are speaking based more on popularity than the scenario at hand, as usual.
Bruce's h2h skills are not vastly superior to Frank's. He has a wider variety of styles, granted, but Frank's military combat training is just as extensive, just not as varied. It gets the job done very efficiently, that's it purpose.
And that's even if this becomes a physical confrontation, Batman can't catch hollow tips. Frank put bullets in Spiderman, he can plug Bruce Wayne with a few rounds as well.
Originally posted by shaolin9976
I'm not saying it would be a cakewalk against the Punisher...after all he is one of the best vigilante in the marvel universe...all i am saying is when it's all said and done, Batman would be the last man standing between the two.
Only because Frank would have shot him from a crouching position.
Originally posted by illadelph12
People are speaking based more on popularity than the scenario at hand, as usual.Bruce's h2h skills are not vastly superior to Frank's. He has a wider variety of styles, granted, but Frank's military combat training is just as extensive, just not as varied. It gets the job done very efficiently, that's it purpose.
And that's even if this becomes a physical confrontation, Batman can't catch hollow tips. Frank put bullets in Spiderman, he can plug Bruce Wayne with a few rounds as well.
Not really, I'm basing it on what Castle has SAID. He said Wolverine,Spider-Man, and Daredevil could take him apart if they wanted too. Daredevil especially. If they could whoop him fairly easily, why couldn't Batman do it albeit witha bit more trouble?
He's pretty good at h2h,but he's nowhere near the best on Earth--like Batman is. He fought Daredevil h2h and got his ass handed to him, what do you think Batman would do to him?
Spider-Man doesn't have gas pellets to reduce visibility. Batman could use these as well as the environment for cover, and score the win.
Batman wins 7-8/10. Not because he is popular, but because his skillset and weapons are superior to Punisher's. Again, I love Castle, but he ain't winnin' this.
http://www.buzzscope.com/reviews.php?id=4460
The last to pages of the preview are a DD and Punisher fight
The thing that gives Batman the edge in this fight is the extensive martial arts training. The punisher is good and after reading this thread I've found out that his abilities are quite impressive but Batman is AS good in EVERY area ( his marksmanship either equals or surpasses castles and they BOTH have maxed human durability).
Frank would need an edge and I don't see where he could get one considering the fact that Batman has defeated a Predator or two. And he has handled Jean Paul Valley (who was almost his equal) without going for a kill.
Deathstroke stated that he wouldn't want to face Batman without his physical enhancements, so does Punisher equal a Deathstroke without physical enhancements? From what I've learned in this forum about Deathstroke he is many times Franks superior, so the only question left to ask is WHY he wouldn't want to face Batman without physical enhancements. Probably because without them he'd lose...as would Castle.
He's pretty good at h2h,but he's nowhere near the best on Earth--like Batman is. He fought Daredevil h2h and got his ass handed to him, what do you think Batman would do to him?Spider-Man doesn't have gas pellets to reduce visibility. Batman could use these as well as the environment for cover, and score the win.
Batman wins 7-8/10. Not because he is popular, but because his skillset and weapons are superior to Punisher's. Again, I love Castle, but he ain't winnin' this.
Of course Daredevil, Wolverine, and Spiderman could take him apart h2h. That's a mutant with a healing factor, super senses, enhanced strength and endurance, and an adamantium skeleton, a radioactive mutate with spider dna infused into his body that grants him superhuman strength, agility, endurance, the ability to crawl on walls, and a type of precog, and a man with a built in radar and super senses caused by 'radiation' (Marvel radiation is weird).
Batman does not have these luxuries.
Batman is a regular man without any genetic or radiation induced enhancements, just like Frank.
Batman has gas pellets, just like Frank.
Batman has smoke grenades, just like Frank.
Batman has tear gas, just like Frank.
Batman has thermal specs and night vision specs, just like Frank.
Batman has bat shaped ninja stars. Frank has a modified M-60 automatic assault rifle that can pump out over 300 7.62mm hollow tip or DU rounds in a minute, 2 Desert Eagles, 2 Uzis, and and a Magnum;
the great equalizer.
Bruce is gonna die. He can't tiger punch a bullet.
Daredevil does not have enhanced strength. His strength level is the maximum peak of a normal human being just like Batman. His fighting skills level though is lower than Batman himself. In fact, Elektra's fighting skill level is higher than Daredevil. So what does that say about the Punisher?
Anyone who tries to tiger punch a bullet that doesn't have a superhuman strength is just plain dumb. And last time I check, Batman is one of the most intelligent heroes there is.
I didn't say Daredevil has superhuman strength, I said:
and a man with a built in radar and super senses caused by 'radiation'
Batman's fighting skills being superior to Daredevil is debatable. I'm not a Daredevil fan, and Ben Affleck didn't help his cause much, but from what I do know of Daredevil, his skills combined with his enhanced senses make him very formidable. And Elekta is great h2h combatant. I don't see how that makes Daredevil less of a fighter. Elektra could give Bruce a run for his money also.
Besides, as I said before, who says this has to become a physical confrontation. Frank carries enough ammunition to keep shooting for a VERY long time, and guns do work in close quarters. It's not like once Bruce gets within 10 feet Frank's going to put the gun down and start throwing punches.
You said:
"Of course Daredevil, Wolverine, and Spiderman could take him apart h2h. That's a mutant with a healing factor, super senses, enhanced strength and endurance, and an adamantium skeleton, a radioactive mutate with spider dna infused into his body that grants him superhuman strength, agility, endurance, the ability to crawl on walls, and a type of precog, and a man with a built in radar and super senses caused by 'radiation' (Marvel radiation is weird). "
So what makes you think Batman can't?
Originally posted by shaolin9976
Daredevil does not have enhanced strength. His strength level is the maximum peak of a normal human being just like Batman. His fighting skills level though is lower than Batman himself. In fact, Elektra's fighting skill level is higher than Daredevil. So what does that say about the Punisher?Anyone who tries to tiger punch a bullet that doesn't have a superhuman strength is just plain dumb. And last time I check, Batman is one of the most intelligent heroes there is.
Batman can bench 600lbs he isn't peak human. Daredevil is not only stronger then Batman but he is also as agile as Nightwing... so pretty much superior to Bats in everyway
Originally posted by shaolin9976
Where did you get this facts, because I have in front of me the DC and Marvel encyclopedia and it doesn't say that Daredevil is stronger than Batman.
Well I doubt that as a strength referance it would say "Daredevil is stronger then Batman." But we have seen Bruce working out in the Batcave and he benches between 500-600lbs that might not be his maximum but never looks like he has having an easy time with it.
Originally posted by shaolin9976
You said:"Of course Daredevil, Wolverine, and Spiderman could take him apart h2h. That's a mutant with a healing factor, super senses, enhanced strength and endurance, and an adamantium skeleton, a radioactive mutate with spider dna infused into his body that grants him superhuman strength, agility, endurance, the ability to crawl on walls, and a type of precog, and a man with a built in radar and super senses caused by 'radiation' (Marvel radiation is weird). "
So what makes you think Batman can't?
No, I said:
Of course Daredevil, Wolverine, and Spiderman could take him apart h2h. That's a mutant with a healing factor, super senses, enhanced strength and endurance, and an adamantium skeleton, a radioactive mutate with spider dna infused into his body that grants him superhuman strength, agility, endurance, the ability to crawl on walls, and a type of precog, and a man with a built in radar and super senses caused by 'radiation' (Marvel radiation is weird).Batman does not have these luxuries.
Batman does not have super strength, super senses, super healing, super reflexes, super endurance, precog/danger awareness, or a built in radar due to radiation.