Originally posted by The MISTER
The thing that gives Batman the edge in this fight is the extensive martial arts training. The punisher is good and after reading this thread I've found out that his abilities are quite impressive but Batman is AS good in EVERY area ( his marksmanship either equals or surpasses castles and they BOTH have maxed human durability).Frank would need an edge and I don't see where he could get one considering the fact that Batman has defeated a Predator or two. And he has handled Jean Paul Valley (who was almost his equal) without going for a kill.
Deathstroke stated that he wouldn't want to face Batman without his physical enhancements, so does Punisher equal a Deathstroke without physical enhancements? From what I've learned in this forum about Deathstroke he is many times Franks superior, so the only question left to ask is WHY he wouldn't want to face Batman without physical enhancements. Probably because without them he'd lose...as would Castle.
I'm guessing that the Punishers supporters either missed this post or can't come up with a rebuttal.
Originally posted by The MISTER
I'm guessing that the Punishers supporters either missed this post or can't come up with a rebuttal.
Because DS was a random run of the mill gurnt before he got 15x strength and reflexes... and he still leaves a fight with Batman hurting like hell. With out prep, DS is a bit of a chump.
But what about the predator Batman defeated. I don't think that he could just kill a predator a week for a month but surviving being hunted by one is no small feat.
Also you must remember that by removing Batman's hesitancy to kill for this battle and replacing it with bloodlust you may have made him quite superior to the enhanced Deathstroke. ( MAY! ) I find it hard to believe that Batman couldn't duplicate EVERYTHING the punisher has done and without using guns but by using very lethal tactics.
Ninjitsu is one of the many arts he is well practised in and he is a tactical genious in combination with having access to many secrets of that art.
Originally posted by The MISTER
The thing that gives Batman the edge in this fight is the extensive martial arts training. The punisher is good and after reading this thread I've found out that his abilities are quite impressive but Batman is AS good in EVERY area ( his marksmanship either equals or surpasses castles and they BOTH have maxed human durability).Frank would need an edge and I don't see where he could get one considering the fact that Batman has defeated a Predator or two. And he has handled Jean Paul Valley (who was almost his equal) without going for a kill.
Deathstroke stated that he wouldn't want to face Batman without his physical enhancements, so does Punisher equal a Deathstroke without physical enhancements? From what I've learned in this forum about Deathstroke he is many times Franks superior, so the only question left to ask is WHY he wouldn't want to face Batman without physical enhancements. Probably because without them he'd lose...as would Castle.
Actually, I did miss this post.
Deathstroke's statement is immaterial. The fact that he wouldn't want to face Batman's sans his powers/enhancements is his own insecurity in his abilities. It's meaningless.
Batman surviving being hunted by a Predator is immaterial. Danny Glover and Governor Scwarzenegger have done the same thing (The Predator did manage to kill Carl Weathers though).
Batman's comparable marksmanship is immaterial; Batman's not packin' heat.
Frank does have an edge, it's called an M-60 assault rifle. For every 3 Batarangs Batman tosses at Frank, he can return with 75 rounds of 7.62mm hollow tips.
I don't see how in an impromptu meeting Batman with his standard gear has any advantage on Frank. Frank is no run of the mill thug or jobber.
The only edge Batman could have was if it became a purely physical confrontation, and Frank doesn't have to let it deteriorate to that with his arsenal, he can take Bruce down from a distance easily.
Batman is not the only battle tactician in this scenario. Don't think when the bullets are flying Frank is going to slack simply because he's facing Batman. Bruce is just another mark to get capped, he's just wearing a cape and cowel. Yes, Batman is good, but Frank is far from being that bad. He can take Batman out.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Actually, I did miss this post.Deathstroke's statement is immaterial. The fact that he wouldn't want to face Batman's sans his powers/enhancements is his own insecurity in his abilities. It's meaningless.
Batman surviving being hunted by a Predator is immaterial. Danny Glover and Governor Scwarzenegger have done the same thing (The Predator did manage to kill Carl Weathers though).
Batman's comparable marksmanship is immaterial; Batman's not packin' heat.
Frank does have an edge, it's called an M-60 assault rifle. For every 3 Batarangs Batman tosses at Frank, he can return with 75 rounds of 7.62mm hollow tips.
I don't see how in an impromptu meeting Batman with his standard gear has any advantage on Frank. Frank is no run of the mill thug or jobber.
The only edge Batman could have was if it became a purely physical confrontation, and Frank doesn't have to let it deteriorate to that with his arsenal, he can take Bruce down from a distance easily.
Batman is not the only battle tactician in this scenario. Don't think when the bullets are flying Frank is going to slack simply because he's facing Batman. Bruce is just another mark to get capped, he's just wearing a cape and cowel. Yes, Batman is good, but Frank is far from being that bad. He can take Batman out.
Your acting like Batman never dodged bullets before.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Batman surviving being hunted by a Predator is immaterial. Danny Glover and Governor Scwarzenegger have done the same thing (The Predator did manage to kill Carl Weathers though).
BAH! BAHH!! HUMBUG!!!!!!!!
Never ever ever use this sorry excuse again.
Swarchenegger's character was the best of the best in his field. He was a seasoned, highly experienced, super buff, incredibily successfull combatant, who only won with a little luck and a lot of prep!
Glover's character was a seasoned cop who had been taking it to assholes in a virtual warzone for many years. And again he beat a one armed wounded predator with tons of luck.
Stop making light of these characters to put down predators!! You wretched thing you!
Originally posted by K3VIL
Punisher killed a bear with his bare hands.Captain America himself stated the Punisher is one of the few guys near to his rank of physical form and fightning skills.
Batman messing with Frank Castle will find out that he's not only a heartless justifier but he can also kick some serious butts.
Agreed
ppl shooty at bats all the time. castle would fail just like anyone else. as was said above batman beat predator. batman beat bane. batman eats gi's for breakfast.
in year one batman kicked down a tree. punched a man through a wall. popped handcuffs whilst he was shot. hes a peak level human. punisher is not. big guns do not a warrior make.
bats will crush pun. id go as far to say that no human (street level human) can take him. (w/o powers etc)
Punisher killed a polar bear with his bare hands? This is wrong for so many reasons.
First it's not true. Not until I see a scan because I remember a Punisher story with a polar bear in it and he was in no way dead.
Second what characters say is not comic fact, what characters do is. Cap saying Frank was on his level in no way makes it true and your credibility is already suspect K3vil.
Third, you got a serious hinderence in you ability to see reality Mitch. First you say that martial arts in comics do not enable you to fight polar bears (how ironic that a polar bear be brought up again) and hear you use it like it's the best damn post on this thread.
"God writing" your so full of it Mitch. Bats can't dodge bullets because he does so all the time, but Punisher can kill polar bears with his bare hands even though he's never done it.
Second what characters say is not comic fact, what characters do is. Cap saying Frank was on his level in no way makes it true and your credibility is already suspect K3vil.
I'd say, as a character, that Captain America is as credible as source you would get in comics. That guy doesn't BS and he knows his shit. I'd say Captain America is a much more credible source on Punisher's physical status than some guy named MERCILOUS who posts on KMC comic book versus boards.
That's just what i'd say though.
Nah, this ain't a draw, Bruce is getting capped.
If Frank can plug Spiderman, he can plug Batman.
Batman's been shot before by lesser marksman, and Frank's a damn surgeon with his 60 and sniper rifle. He's got smoke, flash and gas grenades as well, and he knows how to move silently in the shadows to pull off a hit just as well as Batman. He even trained his dog Max to do the same thing to be a more effective guard and attack dog. Ninjas aren't the only people that can effectively utilize darkness and cover.
He's got everything Batman has save Tiger Punches and Crouching Frog kicks, and Frank doesn't even have to let the fight deteriorate into a physical confrontation.
Batman's gonna die.
Where is this fight taking place anyway? Inner city/Urban, jungle, rooftops?