Originally posted by demigawdAhh back and already fellating Magneto, are we? Actually I wouldn't call it a 'blast'...it was more like psychic feedback on steroids. Remember, Xavier and Magneto were attempting to communicate with Galactus, but they couldn't penetrate his psychic defenses, so Magneto, (whose pride couldn't handle being treated like a mere insect), decided to batter his way through and that resulted in some kind of overload.
People also tend to use Doom's taking a shot from Galactus as proof of his might. Magneto shielded himself AND the X-men from a Galactus blast.
Back to Doom...if you want to talk about the strength of his armour, then remember it withstood a DIRECT blast from Thanos with the IG...ok ok I'm exaggerating a bit, considering 5/6 of the Gauntlet was powered down...it's still Thanos with the Power gem, and I'd love to see Magneto's vaunted shield try to stand up to that.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
During the Damage Control series. Punisher ran in fear just from seeing Doom appear (and it was only a doombot)
2. Punisher did not ran in fear in Damage Control, where do you get that idea ? He said to himself "I have no chance against Doom" and took a hostage or so, but he did not run in fear.
Back and already getting you on my case for making a valid reference, are we? It wasn't psychic feedback, otherwise a magnetic shield couldn't stop it since it's mental energy. Galactus noticed some annoyance and casually blasted at it. Magneto blocked it and showed no signs of exertion.
You don't think Thanos could have hit Doom hard enough to kill him if he wanted to? Terrax did it and Terrax is nothing compared to Thanos. It's great that Doom survived it, a real feat...but like I said, on what planet does not getting TOTALLY owned somehow equate great power? On top of that, Thanos never blasted anyone else, so we don't know how powerful the blast is supposed to be. I'd be more impressed if Thanos blasted and disintegrated the Surfer, then used the same blast on Doom and Doom survived. Thanos never used an energy blast on anyone else during that fight, so we have no point of reference.
Given that Magneto's shield has never been cracked, I don't see why he couldn't take that same shot.
Doom is still overrated, and you're still jumping down my throat for mentioning Magneto along with SEVERAL other characters. It's great to be back, lol. 😉
Originally posted by Lord S
Back to Doom...if you want to talk about the strength of his armour, then remember it withstood a DIRECT blast from Thanos with the IG...ok ok I'm exaggerating a bit, considering 5/6 of the Gauntlet was powered down...it's still Thanos with the Power gem, and I'd love to see Magneto's vaunted shield try to stand up to that.
Just a blast. You have absolutely no way to prove how powerful that blast was. And yes, if Thanos wanted, he could have killed Doom rather easily.
Originally posted by demigawdPlease. I never said that not getting totally pwn3d equalled having great power...I was only demonstrating the sheer toughness of Doom's armour, as opposed to Iron Man's, whose name you dropped, and who was swiftly beheaded by Thanos' little girlfriend, IIRC. Could Thanos blast Doom off the face of existence if he wanted? Of course, but that was a moment of panic for him cause Doom was trying to grab his gauntlet while he was down, and just quickly blasted him away to safe distance. No one around here is putting Doom's power at cosmic levels, but standing up to someone like Thanos is a feat in itself.
You don't think Thanos could have hit Doom hard enough to kill him if he wanted to? Terrax did it and Terrax is nothing compared to Thanos. It's great that Doom survived it, a real feat...but like I said, on what planet does not getting TOTALLY owned somehow equate great power? On top of that, Thanos never blasted anyone else, so we don't know how powerful the blast is supposed to be. I'd be more impressed if Thanos blasted and disintegrated the Surfer, then used the same blast on Doom and Doom survived. Thanos never used an energy blast on anyone else during that fight, so we have no point of reference.
Given that Magneto's shield has never been cracked, I don't see why he couldn't take that same shot.Cyclops, anyone?
Originally posted by who?-kidPerhaps you misread what I wrote...I know it wasn't the full brunt of all six gems...it was only the Power gem, cause the other ones were turned off.
It was just a blast, but it's not like that blast had the combined power of the six gems.Just a blast. You have absolutely no way to prove how powerful that blast was. And yes, if Thanos wanted, he could have killed Doom rather easily.
While it wasn't the most powerful blast Thanos could have dished out, it did have some authority behind it...and it's a testament to Doom's armour that it was durable enough to keep him from getting fried.
Originally posted by demigawd
But like i said, if you need powers stolen in a pinch, Doom is your man. But if you need someone to go to war with you, there's another armored cat who you should run to first.
Iron Man? Nah, Doom has a time machine.
Apocalypse? Nah, he's a b!tch.
Ultron? Hmm, he's on speed dial.
Nimrod? I'll call him too.
Back and already getting you on my case for making a valid reference, are we? It wasn't psychic feedback, otherwise a magnetic shield couldn't stop it since it's mental energy. Galactus noticed some annoyance and casually blasted at it. Magneto blocked it and showed no signs of exertion.
Yes, "casual" blast like Thanos gave Doom. If Galactus wanted to kill Magneto as Thanos wanted to kill Doom, neither Magneto nor Doom would stand a chance.
Magneto survived a blast from Galactus? Doom survived a blast from the IG? IG > Galactus. See, I can play your game too.
His most impressive battle feat was blasting Warlock, and given that SPIDER-MAN has done it before, I ain't all that impressed.
Tell the whole story demigawd:
- K.O.ed Warlock in one shot.
- Killed Kang the Conquerer in one shot after Kang got beat up by Magus.
- Blasted Magus and forced him to hand the IG.
And please, your overrating Magneto so don't even start with Doom. In the world of comics, Doom is the true villain. Magneto's just a b!tch borned with powers. Doom earned everything he has; fought and defeated gods and cosmics using his tech and wit.
And no, not every fight is a NONPREP fight. Even without prep Doom ain't overrated. Where you get this I don't even know.
Originally posted by Lord S
Please. I never said that not getting totally pwn3d equalled having great power...I was only demonstrating the sheer toughness of Doom's armour, as opposed to Iron Man's, whose name you dropped, and who was swiftly beheaded by Thanos' little girlfriend, IIRC.
You're comparing two types of attacks - one was a blast, the other was a bladed weapon. If the LT came to me and said, "let's replay the scene, except Thanos' girlfriend tries to behead Doom instead of Iron Man, how much do you wanna bet that she could NOT do it", I wouldn't bet a damn dime. I'm certain that if Thanos blasted Iron Man and Thanos' girl chopped at Doom, the results would be reversed - headless Doom and hurt Iron Man.
Either way, that says nothing about whose armor is tougher. But IM has proven himself in combat. Doom has not.
Could Thanos blast Doom off the face of existence if he wanted? Of course, but that was a moment of panic for him cause Doom was trying to grab his gauntlet while he was down, and just quickly blasted him away to safe distance. No one around here is putting Doom's power at cosmic levels, but standing up to someone like Thanos is a feat in itself.
I agree, but when people name feats for other characters, it's usually stuff like, "lift mountains" and "move planets", not "not die".
Cyclops, anyone?
I challenge you to name when Cyclops has ever broken Magneto's shield.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Iron Man? Nah, Doom has a time machine.
Apocalypse? Nah, he's a b!tch.
Ultron? Hmm, he's on speed dial.
Nimrod? I'll call him too.
The funny thing is, I'd take ANY of those guys in a fight over Doom. Any day of the week.
Yes, "casual" blast like Thanos gave Doom. If Galactus wanted to kill Magneto as Thanos wanted to kill Doom, neither Magneto nor Doom would stand a chance.Magneto survived a blast from Galactus? Doom survived a blast from the IG? IG > Galactus. See, I can play your game too.
Uh huh. So they've both got pretty good defenses. I just think it's silly to use Doom's ability to survive an uncommitted attack as proof that he can beat somebody in a fight.
Besides, Magneto was able to hold off a sustained attack by the Phoenix, and as GalacticStorm will tell you, PF > IG > Galactus. I still play the game!
Tell the whole story demigawd:
- K.O.ed Warlock in one shot.
Yawn. Warlock has crap durability and gets knocked out all the time.
- Killed Kang the Conquerer in one shot after Kang got beat up by Magus.
The same Kang the Conquerer who Thor refused to fight because he was a better opponent for Captain America and SAID so? WOOOWWEEE
- Blasted Magus and forced him to hand the IG.
You wanna get into a good fighting feats/bad fighting feats contest with Doom? It won't end well for you.
And please, your overrating Magneto so don't even start with Doom. In the world of comics, Doom is the true villain. Magneto's just a b!tch borned with powers. Doom earned everything he has; fought and defeated gods and cosmics using his tech and wit.
Magneto, despite being a younger character, has FAR more combat feats than Doom. Doom's just an overreaching leech who plots to piggyback on people far more powerful than he is. When left to his own personal power, he gets crushed by the likes of Luke Cage.
And no, not every fight is a NONPREP fight. Even without prep Doom ain't overrated. Where you get this I don't even know.
S'called history.
Originally posted by demigawd
The funny thing is, I'd take ANY of those guys in a fight over Doom. Any day of the week.
In a fight? You said in a war. You never said in a fight. And even in a fight, Doom would be a better partner than any of them. Try mystical knowledge, Ovoid mind trick, and stragetic mind.
You think Doom saved his mother's soul by directly fighting Mephsito in his own realm? Power ain't everything. He outsmarted Mephisto and won. Magneto's nothing but arrogant brute. Mephisto, Galactus, Surfer, Beyonder, and Watcher would eat him alive.
In a war? Doom is the guy to call, not some terrorist mutant who has yet to realize his dream.
Uh huh. So they've both got pretty good defenses. I just think it's silly to use Doom's ability to survive an uncommitted attack as proof that he can beat somebody in a fight.
You say that it's silly than why in the same post did you bring up Galactus?
Besides, Magneto was able to hold off a sustained attack by the Phoenix, and as GalacticStorm will tell you, PF > IG > Galactus. I still play the game!
Phoenix? Phoenix and Phoenix force are two different things. And no, I trust GS IMO as much as I trust your's on Magneto - which is less than a thread of string. The IG is more powerful than the Phoenix.
And what are you referring to? Which event? The Rachael Summer's thing?
Yawn. Warlock has crap durability and gets knocked out all the time.The same Kang the Conquerer who Thor refused to fight because he was a better opponent for Captain America and SAID so? WOOOWWEEE
? The same Warlock who traveled through the realm of Choas and Order being twisted and shredded yet survived? He's weak?
You wanna get into a good fighting feats/bad fighting feats contest with Doom? It won't end well for you.
Of course it won't, luckily for Doom he was never turned into a vegetable. Getting defeated is one thing, getting turned into a vegetable is another. Poor poor Magneto's, a sitting vegetable while his Avalon fell apart. And ironically who saves him but Colossus, a former X-Men. Oh the irony.
Magneto, despite being a younger character, has FAR more combat feats than Doom. Doom's just an overreaching leech who plots to piggyback on people far more powerful than he is. When left to his own personal power, he gets crushed by the likes of Luke Cage.
Yeah, like Luke Cage wouldn't do the same to Magnus if Magnus lost his powers. 🙄
More combat feats means what now? That he's better than Doom? How funny is it not that Magneto fights more than Doom yet still not realized his dreams.
Doom:
- Dictator of a small nation, has diplomatic amunity, a voice in the U.N.
- Conquered the world.
- Became godly: Surfer, Galactus, Watcher, Beyonder (even a Cube Being qualifies as godly)
- Is qualified as a cosmic threat
- Thanos has acknowledged Doom as someone he'd keep an eye on.
S'called history.
And in said history Doom has realized most of his dreams while Magneto is nothing but a mutant terrorist with influences on a global level at best.
If Magneto is so powerful, why didn't Warlock enlist him during the battle for the Infinity Gauntlet?
Originally posted by Beyonder
In a fight? You said in a war. You never said in a fight. And even in a fight, Doom would be a better partner than any of them. Try mystical knowledge, Ovoid mind trick, and stragetic mind.
Doom's mystical knowledge is garbage - absolutely useless. He has NO mystical combat feats under his own power. His only mystical combat feats ever were when he had limbo armor and when he sold his soul to demons. He's got nothing on his own, so mysticism is useless. I'll take a guy in armor with CL100 strength over a guy in armor with CL2 strength any day.
And I find few things more useless than the Ovoid mind trick.
You think Doom saved his mother's soul by directly fighting Mephsito in his own realm?
No, he did it by begging Dr. Strange (a real mystic) for help. Brilliant strategem.
Mephisto, Galactus, Surfer, Beyonder, and Watcher would eat him alive.
Uh huh, but they're nothing before the might of Doom, huh? LOL. If any of those people wanted him dead this instant, guess what? He'd be dead this instant and there'd be absolutely nothing he can do about it. Leeching the powers off of someone who doesn't even notice you're alive is impressive in its own way, but it doesn't mean jack in a VS. battle.
In a war? Doom is the guy to call, not some terrorist mutant who has yet to realize his dream.
Right, and all Doom's genius got him was a front row seat in Hell. Looks like someone's life worked out a bit better than the other in the end, huh?
You say that it's silly than why in the same post did you bring up Galactus?
I brought it up because Doom fanboys always use that as proof of his might...it's nonsense.
Phoenix? Phoenix and Phoenix force are two different things. And no, I trust GS IMO as much as I trust your's on Magneto - which is less than a thread of string. The IG is more powerful than the Phoenix.
GS would take issue with that. Besides, this is the same Phoenix who took down Galactus.
And what are you referring to? Which event? The Rachael Summer's thing?
The Volcano storyline.
? The same Warlock who traveled through the realm of Choas and Order being twisted and shredded yet survived? He's weak?
Spider-Man took him out. Bad durability. Besides, his "good" feat of beating Warlock gets trumped by his bad feat of getting owned by Luke Cage.
Of course it won't, luckily for Doom he was never turned into a vegetable. Getting defeated is one thing, getting turned into a vegetable is another. Poor poor Magneto's, a sitting vegetable while his Avalon fell apart. And ironically who saves him but Colossus, a former X-Men. Oh the irony.
That's a good point. being defeated > getting turned into a vegetable.
Unfortunately for Doom, getting turned into a vegetable >>>> having your body destroyed and being dragged into Hell by demons for eternity.
Yeah, like Luke Cage wouldn't do the same to Magnus if Magnus lost his powers. 🙄
Except Doom had his powers when he got beaten up by Luke Cage. Lot of good that did him, huh?
More combat feats means what now?
It means...
That he's better than Doom?
You answered your own question!
How funny is it not that Magneto fights more than Doom yet still not realized his dreams.
True, and Doom's fondest dream was being humiliated by the Fantastic Four and ending up in Hell. Looks like he achieved it, huh?
Doom:
- Dictator of a small nation, has diplomatic amunity, a voice in the U.N.
- Conquered the world.
- Became godly: Surfer, Galactus, Watcher, Beyonder (even a Cube Being qualifies as godly)
- Is qualified as a cosmic threat
- Thanos has acknowledged Doom as someone he'd keep an eye on.
Doom is a fine character. Like I said, he can leech better than any comic character in history. But there's no reason why anyone should pick him in a fight against anybody (except, of course, Punisher)
And in said history Doom has realized most of his dreams while Magneto is nothing but a mutant terrorist with influences on a global level at best.
Someone hasn't been reading House of M.
Besides, why would Magneto even aspire to anything beyond a global level...he's a political terrorist, with no interest in galactic conquering. Magneto doesn't WANT to be an all-powerful cosmic leech...he wants equal or greater rights for mutants. Just because Doom is the only person who stole power from gods doesn't mean he's the only person capable of it...he's just the only person who wants to do it.
If Magneto is so powerful, why didn't Warlock enlist him during the battle for the Infinity Gauntlet?
You're implying that Warlock overlooked him because he's too weak. But Wolverine was on that team. So obviously it had nothing to do with power...unless you're trying to say Wolverine is more powerful than Magneto.
Originally posted by demigawd
That's usually what happens when Beyonder and I are on the same thread, lol. I've missed you Beyonder. 🙂
No, no. You came in here raging about people giving credit for Doom. Then not only that, you interjected Magneto into it when Magneto had nothing to do with this thread. Boy, are you a fanboy. Don't bring me into this. You attacked Doom, then you bs it by throwing your favorite villain into this - trying to shove your love for Magneto down everyones throat.
It's not just cause of Magneto, it's the fact that you try to put Doom down so you can bring up Magneto. Lord S is right, you are fellating Magneto.
Originally posted by demigawd
[B]Doom's mystical knowledge is garbage - absolutely useless. He has NO mystical combat feats under his own power. His only mystical combat feats ever were when he had limbo armor and when he sold his soul to demons. He's got nothing on his own, so mysticism is useless. I'll take a guy in armor with CL100 strength over a guy in armor with CL2 strength any day.And I find few things more useless than the Ovoid mind trick.
Okay right. The same garbage as Doom being only Class 2. Yeah, useless mind trick yet save Doom's life from the Beyonder.
No, he did it by begging Dr. Strange (a real mystic) for help. Brilliant strategem.
Begging? See now your just b.s.ing things. Doom never begs. Asking or demanding sure but not begging. Doom saved his mothers soul and outwitted Mephisto.
Uh huh, but they're nothing before the might of Doom, huh? LOL. If any of those people wanted him dead this instant, guess what? He'd be dead this instant and there'd be absolutely nothing he can do about it. Leeching the powers off of someone who doesn't even notice you're alive is impressive in its own way, but it doesn't mean jack in a VS. battle.
And the same could be said of Magneto. Except between Doom and Magneto, Doom has beaten these beings. Magneto would rush in spouting homo superior messages and get stomped.
LOL.
Right, and all Doom's genius got him was a front row seat in Hell. Looks like someone's life worked out a bit better than the other in the end, huh?
What's wrong with hell? He's escape death more than once. So he died, what about it? That takes away from his many other accomplishments?
GS would take issue with that. Besides, this is the same Phoenix who took down Galactus.
Take issue with what? Phoenix & PF are two different things. And GS has yet proven that the PF is greater than the IG.
It ain't the same Phoenix. The Phoenix that fought Galactus was more experienced and was tapping into life yet born.
The Volcano storyline.
How does that help? Are you refering to when Magneto used the Earth's polarity to give Rachael a stroke?
That's a good point. being defeated > getting turned into a vegetable.Unfortunately for Doom, getting turned into a vegetable >>>> having your body destroyed and being dragged into Hell by demons for eternity.
For the rest of eternity? Please, it ain't for eternity. And no, dying and having demons drag you into hell isn't as bad as becoming drooling vegetable while your citadel gets destroyed and a former X-Men drags you to safety.
Except Doom had his powers when he got beaten up by Luke Cage. Lot of good that did him, huh?
Except you said "when he left his personal powers, he gets crushed by the likes of Luke Cage." So which is it?
It means...Doom is the better villan?
So atleast we agree on this.
True, and Doom's fondest dream was being humiliated by the Fantastic Four and ending up in Hell. Looks like he achieved it, huh?
Sort of like him taking over counter Earth huh. Or owning his own country and having a voice in the U.N. Having Thanos taking notice of him.
- Lost his body, ended up in Hell.
And? When you die and your a bad person where but hell do you go? It's still not like being turned into a drooling vegetable.
Doom is a fine character. Like I said, he can leech better than any comic character in history. But there's no reason why anyone should pick him in a fight against anybody (except, of course, Punisher)
Um, yeah there's something called prep. Heck this thread has him fighting the Punisher and you come in here flaming about how Doom's overrated and that he has few battle feats.
Then you follow up with this:
🙄That said, he destroys Punisher with extreme prejudice. *shrug*🙄
You "shrugged" at the idea that Doom would beat Punisher with extreme prejudice? And please don't try to say it's because of the "extreme prejuidice" part. Truth is, it sickens you that you can't say Punisher would beat Doom.
Someone hasn't been reading House of M.
OMG. And that helps every here how? Be more detailed please.
Besides, why would Magneto even aspire to anything beyond a global level...he's a political terrorist, with no interest in galactic conquering. Magneto doesn't WANT to be an all-powerful cosmic leech...he wants equal or greater rights for mutants. Just because Doom is the only person who stole power from gods doesn't mean he's the only person capable of it...he's just the only person who wants to do it.
Mr. Mutant terrorist runs about ranting on and on about Homo Superiors. He can't take anybodies powers even if he wanted to.
You're implying that Warlock overlooked him because he's too weak. But Wolverine was on that team. So obviously it had nothing to do with power...unless you're trying to say Wolverine is more powerful than Magneto.
Wolverine wasn't on the team that was resurrected by Warlock. Wolverine was just the first wave to be sacrificed. Warlock had Strange bring back Doom.
And again, when has Magneto shown up for a big event? He's mostly a no show. Thanos would laugh at Magneto, not bother with him.