Originally posted by srankmissingninthe intent was to show logan was fast...the writer didn't account for fans actually calculating the times of the actions
And the intent was to show what Wolverine could do before two cigars hit the ground. Unless Wolverine has localized gravity control that would have had to happen in a fraction of a second.Time is relative anyway. 😈
Originally posted by The Transporter
Gee I never saw Wolverine using this "awesome strength before", did he hurl a tractor when I turned my head or something?
starscream...facepalm2
Wolverine made a statement but at the end it was just a guess at the speed he was moving not a fact. he didnt jack rabbit but used various attacks from gripping, elbow punching.. either way the on panel fact is that he punches at .038 sec verified by computer systems.
it is also verified that his neural kinetics are on par to multiple computers processing power..
Wolverine himself has assessed his own speed without even knowing it was a portion of himself and believed to be a superhuman skilled telepath able to weave bullets while in close quarter fighting..
now i dont recall srank bringing up the 25 punches in a sec that was some one else using the known fact of Wolverine's attack speed.
all in all taking it all into account yes he very well can. i wouldnt argue it b/c i never seen Wolvie jack hammer bunch someone in one sec. i have seen wolverine multi slice opponents in under the space of time it takes a person to throw a punch.
i have seen Wolverine fight at near vanishing speeds throwing claw attacks when no one else can see what is happening..
and by the way many heroes are vastly faster then a comic human including military personal.
Olympics themselves already 2 or 3 times faster then a normal person in one or if not all around attributes.
Bucky has stated that Steve is 3 times Faster then him who is Olympic or peak however one wants to argue.
comic heroes have speed feats easily above humans in the comic world and real world and some being more then 2,3 times above even olympics and peak heroes..
it is very likely and reasonable for Wolverine reaction time to be easily 10x above a normal human.. it is also very likely he is also 5x's faster then an olympic person or even Peak person..
Cap i dont consider Peak but slight superhuman.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
😆 why couldn't that have taken 2 secs?
LMAO the girl wasn't counting but believed 5secs 😬
Gravity. Google it.
Dropped at a height of 5 feet, those cigars would have hit the ground in less than a second. Not only did the cigars not hit the ground, but they were stated to have barely begun to fall. That completely removes the possibility of it taking even one second to have accomplished... unless you believe Wolverine can control gravity or mass, then it could have taken two seconds. Do you believe Wolverine can control gravity?
True, that. They're comic book writers not mathematicians. They're not going to friggin calculate everything they draw or write correctly. They're job is to entertain and tell a story, not to help you get an A in physics class. Truth is this debate can't really be solved because the math doesn't make sense, at least in reality. Low-level superhuman or not, there's no way he is 10 times faster than a peak human(Captain America is a peak human, the black panther is a peak human, Batman is a peak human, Daredevil etc...). If that was the case, then why didn't Wolverine ko Cap in .38 seconds? If someone is 10x faster than you, than you're NOT, I repeat, NOT going to be able to react quick enough to dodge or block the attack. Hell, if someone is twice as fast as you, you're already pretty much defenseless.
You can't take everything they say literally.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
you have a comic book clock? or have done comic book gravity measurements?😆
Gravity is a constant. Time is relative. Wolverine saying that took two seconds shows that relative to his perception of the world two seconds in his world is a fraction of a second to your or I, or he has no concept of time.
Originally posted by srankmissingninit's why Xavier was overwhelmed by the environmental input when he took a ride in his mind couldnt keep up with the stimuli and his mental processes 😎
Gravity is a constant. Time is relative. Wolverine saying that took two seconds shows that relative to his perception of the world two seconds in his world is a fraction of a second to your or I, or he has no concept of time.
Originally posted by The Transporter
True, that. They're comic book writers not mathematicians. They're not going to friggin calculate everything they draw or write correctly. They're job is to entertain and tell a story, not to help you get an A in physics class. Truth is this debate can't really be solved because the math doesn't make sense. Low-level superhuman or not, there's no way he is 10 times faster than a peak human(Captain America is a peak human, the black panther is a peak human, Batman is a peak human, Daredevil etc...). If that was the case, then why didn't Wolverine ko Cap in .38 seconds? If someone is 10x faster than you, than you're NOT, I repeat, NOT going to be able to react quick enough to dodge or block the attack. Hell, if someone is twice as fast as you, you're already pretty much defenseles.
I'm not sure why this is so complicated for people to understand. We have been comparing Wolverine's document reaction time, to the reaction time of REAL WORLD HUMANS. Why? Because that is what we have. We don't know what Batman's reaction time is, we don't know what Captain America's reaction time is, so we aren't comparing Wolverine to them. We can't quantify how fast Cap or Batman are, because unlike Wolverine we have never been given a number, we just know that they are many orders of magnitude faster than the fastest human. Wolverine isn't 10x Captain America, he is 10x the best human in THE REAL WORLD.
And FYI Cap and Black Panther (with the HsH) are both superhuman, more ore less on par with Wolverine in both strength and speed.
Originally posted by The Transporter
True, that. They're comic book writers not mathematicians. They're not going to friggin calculate everything they draw or write correctly. They're job is to entertain and tell a story, not to help you get an A in physics class. Truth is this debate can't really be solved because the math doesn't make sense, at least in reality. Low-level superhuman or not, there's no way he is 10 times faster than a peak human(Captain America is a peak human, the black panther is a peak human, Batman is a peak human, Daredevil etc...). If that was the case, then why didn't Wolverine ko Cap in .38 seconds? If someone is 10x faster than you, than you're NOT, I repeat, NOT going to be able to react quick enough to dodge or block the attack. Hell, if someone is twice as fast as you, you're already pretty much defenseless.You can't take everything they say literally.
you clearl did not read the discussion before answering. Becuase this is just all wrong. Your entire logic is based off inaccurate assumption which in turn makes your arguement 100% wrong.
except it was ment to be literal. computer took the analyzes to see how fast wolverine reacts. there simply no other way to take it.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin👆 ambiently slightly behind Wolvie. sneer
I'm not sure why this is so complicated for people to understand. We have been comparing Wolverine's document reaction time, to the reaction time of REAL WORLD HUMANS. Why? Because that is what we have. We don't know what Batman's reaction time is, we don't know what Captain America's reaction time is, so we aren't comparing Wolverine to them. We can't quantify how fast Cap or Batman are, because unlike Wolverine we have never been given a number, we just know that they are many orders of magnitude faster than the fastest human. Wolverine isn't 10x Captain America, he is 10x the best human in THE REAL WORLD.And FYI Cap and Black Panther (with the HsH) are both superhuman, more ore less on par with Wolverine in both strength and speed.
of course it is unrealistic as it is a comic world and is part of the history throwing away science.
Wolverine has also easily surpassed that rate simply by seeing him slice off a person's clothing in the middle of a punch before it follows through.
so his superhuman speed should be accepted regardless of one's own personal opinion and dislike we use consistent comic feats here for our argument which wolverine has a boat load making the argument extremely plausible showing similar speed reaction time.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm not sure why this is so complicated for people to understand. We have been comparing Wolverine's document reaction time, to the reaction time of REAL WORLD HUMANS. Why? Because that is what we have. We don't know what Batman's reaction time is, we don't know what Captain America's reaction time is, so we aren't comparing Wolverine to them. We can't quantify how fast Cap or Batman are, because unlike Wolverine we have never been given a number, we just know that they are many orders of magnitude faster than the fastest human. Wolverine isn't 10x Captain America, he is 10x the best human in THE REAL WORLD.And FYI Cap and Black Panther (with the HsH) are both superhuman, more ore less on par with Wolverine in both strength and speed.
Do you even know what the fastest recorded human reaction time was? Do you think that even the writers knew when they wrote that? Sounds like they just pulled it out of their bottoms to me. Does anyone here know the time, cause I'd really like to know. If you have it, I'd like to see it, if not, the argument is as irrelevant as comparing Wolverine's to Bruce's reaction time. The writers don't have the data, they're just making stuff up to ENTERTAIN not make logical sense.
But not the ultra-quick, fastest ever recorded. And then there's always the possibility that the person with the fastest reaction time in the world was a korean farmer that lived in an isolated village and was never even recorded.
Is it just me or did the google searches for "world's fastest reaction time" just soar 😆
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
this is a comic book dude 😆 nothing is constant 😆
time traveling, different earths, dimension portals 😬the laws of our world cannot be applied here 😬
wolverine threw 4 blows said 2 secs...
i have no reason to say otherwise other than (thats unrealistic) 😆 😆 😆
Your argument is completely fallacious. You contend that "nothing is constant" and suggest the improbable chance that gravity is a completely different concept on Marvel... and -what - no one decided that was worth mentioning? Why? To facilitate the notion that your concept of time is accurate and carriers over to comics? Time is relative, and gravity is constant and unless other wise stated that is how things are in Marvel as well. We aren't going to assume that time is constant and gravity is relative and that everything is topsey tervy and their are no rules, just because you'd like it to be, and because "it's a comic."
The cigars didn't hit the ground, so it wasn't two seconds.