olympian....
thing is....wolverine's taken full on shots from grey hulk, savage hulk, namor, collosus, etc etc....he took class 40 and up shots from guys without his adamantium and didn't even skip a beat....
sabretooth has proven to be able to take full on shots to the face from a class 100 character with a smile, made a fur coat out of another, and nearly tore the head off of another...
yet thing is going to win this fight because he's too strong for them? I simply don't follow that "logic".
Originally posted by jinzin
olympian....thing is....wolverine's taken full on shots from grey hulk, savage hulk, namor, collosus, etc etc....he took class 40 and up shots from guys without his adamantium and didn't even skip a beat....
sabretooth has proven to be able to take full on shots to the face from a class 100 character with a smile, made a fur coat out of another, and nearly tore the head off of another...
yet thing is going to win this fight because he's too strong for them? I simply don't follow that "logic".
Yeah after all the entire MU was created for the sole purpose of jobbing to hairy canadians and will eventually be cosumed by their Class 5000 strength battles while the meek cosmic entities like Galactus pheonix and death look on in fear
Originally posted by EvilCap America
Yeah after all the entire MU was created for the sole purpose of jobbing to hairy canadians and will eventually be cosumed by their Class 5000 strength battles while the meek cosmic entities like Galactus pheonix and death look on in fear
you dammmmmmmmmmmmmn right.
Jinn im not saying logan never did that. Im saying more often than not hes not going to since the difference between him and top guys is huge. That scan so far is the only time Logan made Thing go down.
Popularity also has alot to do with it. Did you saw how Captain America held his own against Hulk in Davids first run? Do you agree he should?
Logan has too much popularity to lose but how characters have been portraited since marvel created them i bet on Thing to win. Again its my opinion. Thing has made Hulk go down, a very weakned Galactus go down, fought against glads etc. He wins after a good battle.
Now about marvel jobbing to hairy canadians.... 😛 hmmm
Logan did chop his face up pretty nicely in ff 374, thing may have swatted him back...but he was far from beating the guy....the ff were in a losing position wolverine got up and surrounded the ff with the other defenders and then the ff got lucky and escaped...
the time that thing hit him and wolverine got KOed even mr fantastic commented on how ting was lucky because wolverine was off....
the pic I just displayed was after wolverine got his wrists fried by human torch and fell through a two story floor, then got walloped by that huge thing that....thing is carrying around....and he still took him down...
popularity does have alot to do with comic book occurances it's true but seriously....doesn't that apply to everyone...when you're not popular you get aced...just like the wasp....it's just how things go in comic book land...but that's no excuse to disregard feats...I think a lot of people on here hate wolvie for the sheer popularity he has accumilated over the years and confuse what they think he SHOULD DO with what he's actually capible of doing....
....considering captain america is who he is he should be able to hold his own against the hulk....obviously not head on...but he should be able to avoid hulk long enough until hulk gives up or loses due to a plot device....captain america always finds a way....i mean I realize how fanboyish that staement may sound at first, but lets face it....that is just the way this guy has been presented to us... and hell, captain america even did it in cap/falcon #12 not too long ago....
as far as the hulk goes...wolverine's almost killed the hulk on several occasions....he's had as many impressive showings against hulk as thing as so it's really a moot point.
as far as other feats go...please don't even force me to delve into the PIS feats on wolverine's behalf cause I assure you they heavily outweigh the things....
the point is, this fight like so many others on this forum is as simple as one good hit and it's over....that's really all sabretooth or wolverine needs... they don't even have to do that..they can just aim for things hands and pretty much disable his best offensive weapons by doing so....his skin isn't durable enough to stand up to adamantium and one solid punch/claw to the face from either of them would end the fight plain and simple....thing however doesn't have the same garantee..IF he was able to knocked either of them out with a good blow, it would be lucky....that however doesn't change the fact that both wolverine and sabretooth have shown themselves more times than not to be fully capible of dealing with more raw strength and power than thing is capible of dishing out....can he knock them out? of course...it's a long shot, but he can presumable do it? will he win this fight? no....not on average...not when his best chance relies on the chance (and a slim chance at that) that he will knock either of them out when they've easily stood up to more punishment before...it's really kinda funny....like I said before, a ton of their fights on these vs. threads are the same, one hit and it's over...you're riding on thing being able to lnd a sufficient blow that's hard enough to win this fight while at the same time dodging and evading everything they throw at him, even though they are the superior fighters....the odds simply aren't in his favor even though the strength may be....
Frst apperences-Wolvie is a normal guy with claws and fast healing while Sabertooth is getting his butt kicked by Black Cat
By the early 80s hes a ninja with an unbreakable skulliton and him and tooth' are a kind of canadian super-soldier
Late 80s Wolverine cant even be hurt by 10 strength level characters and tooth gets to become a uber-warrior in the Marauders
90s roll around and wolvie LOSES his andamantium then takes hits from Hulk without flinching and can nail Quicksilver.Sabertooth meanwhile starts pounding on anything that moves
21st century starts and Sabertooth can KO Rogue without effort while Wolverine routinely beats anything short of Gladiator
By 2010 Wolverine and Sabertooth will be cosmic beings marvel will then cancel any comic they dont appear and fight every issue in
Originally posted by olympian
Jinn im not saying logan never did that. Im saying more often than not hes not going to since the difference between him and top guys is huge. That scan so far is the only time Logan made Thing go down.Popularity also has alot to do with it. Did you saw how Captain America held his own against Hulk in Davids first run? Do you agree he should?
Logan has too much popularity to lose but how characters have been portraited since marvel created them i bet on Thing to win. Again its my opinion. Thing has made Hulk go down, a very weakned Galactus go down, fought against glads etc. He wins after a good battle.
Now about marvel jobbing to hairy canadians.... 😛 hmmm
This argument has been done, DD or elecktra would give wolverine trouble, while Cyclops would be utterly beaten.
I kind of agree with alot what you said. And i see you also see that even guys like captain America doing it its more of a plot device thing than any other thing. Thats how they are written and presented to us, since they lack what top tier have, writers make them more top at skills and agile. I dont agree with the how and why writers do it, i like to make this clear.
But i respect the fact that -since- they are written that way ala Logan being able to do more for what i checked than just scratch him i give him beter ods than before. I just thing that Ben is capable of more considering he has better feats.