The Thing vs Sabretooth

Originally posted by olympian
"Not only that, but Wolverine can also cut the Hulk - any Hulk, and Hulk is more durable than Thing - without much effort, so I really don't see why he couldn't stab Thing anymore"

Different writers. And Logan originally couldnt cut Hulks skin either. The first he cut was the grey Hulk, did he cut him anytime else?

actually wolverine later stated that: he only THOUGHT hulks skin was inpentrable...but infact, it only APPEARS that way.....

He later cut savage hulk in wolverine 145...
He did it with bone claws to savage hulk's balls in HULK 8....
He cut savage hulks hands in wolveerine/hulk 6 hours....no 4
Hulk obviously thinks he can do it...as hulk had a mental fight with logan and logan was cutting the shit out of him...

Originally posted by jinzin
fisrt off marvel.com is not only horribly outdated...it is often/consistantly PROVEN to be simply incorrect.....in any case...these stats while completely different from the majority of the stats I've ever seen from these two, are obviously for thing and the NON enhanced sabretooth.....

in any case...thing's always been a 3 or 4 in fighting ability while sabes has alsways retained a 6 to 7......this is pretty well known and accepted...

Sabretooth has always, been considerably faster than wolverine and as proven to be as fast as spidey..that puts him at three at least...considering his new superstrength upgrade it should go to at least a 4.....

sabretooth was a 4 on durability before his adamantium what do you think it is with it? IMO he's at least a good 5 to 6 now...

In any case, sabretooth has always suffered from stats given to him, especially when nearly ALLLLL his feats would imply that the statistics about him are simply incorrect.... he was classified to be a worse fighter than wolverine...but out-fought him in every fight they had up into the mid 90's.

He was classified as a peak human in speed....when he was stated several times to be either a blur or of superior speed to logan, who pushes low end superhuman levels...

he had slightly enhanced durability...but was able to get hit with a lightning bolt and not even fall down...

he had peak human strength...but took down rogue in 3 hits, took her best flying punch (which knocked him out of a skyscraper) and survived, uppercut logan 3 stories into the air.....

point is....every one of his stats save intelligence and energy projection was completely off, when his CONSISTANT (since everyone likes this word so much) showings proved that he was farrrrrrrr abov human levels...yet he was classified as a peak human in all things save durability...the stats you are using are just more of the same....and not even counting in his enhancements.......ENHANCEMENTS (since I guess you missed that the first time around)......by stats from the early 90's late 80's he isn't even the same character...even when in comparision from the early 90's to late 80's....fact is sabretooth is one of the worse characters to pull up stats for as if they mean something for this fight for the simple fact that all his stats save a couple have always been wrong...this is exactly why stats really don't determine a fight here.

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I can honestly say I've never heard nor seen any marvel or marvelish rating of a 3 or 4 for The THING in fighting skills.

Everything that I've ever seen or heard about his fighting skills ratings where in the 5, 6 or even 7's i'd like to see something that says 3 or 4 for him.

Off that same breath I've never seen or Etc... anything from marvel saying that Sabes is or ever was anywhere in the 6 or 7 range.

I think that a 4 or 5 is about right for him IMO.

Ben still wins! flex

what HAVE you seen in terms of stats that you didn't get from marvel.com? 😕

"he only THOUGHT hulks skin was inpentrable...but infact, it only APPEARS that way....."

In his first fight with the Hulk, he couldnt pierce his skin.

"Hulk obviously thinks he can do it...as hulk had a mental fight with logan and logan was cutting the shit out of him..."

Thats something that came up later then, at first he couldnt. Seems kinda like a powerup for adamantium.

Well, ok.
They blame the reason why Logan couldn't cut Hulk the first time was due to inexperience, doesn't make any sense but that's their excuse.
Now, he certainly can cut Hulk, any Hulk and he can certianly cut Thing.

When did Sabretooth get his upgrade? Are you positive he still has adamantium? Are you positive he has 10ton or more strength?

Creed's nails aren't positioned right to have enough leverage like wolverines claws, so sticking his nails straight into Thing is doubtful, but scratching him is very possible.

Thing wins 6/10, but probably ends up dyings from bloodloss afterwards.

btw, couldn't Creeds nails come off? I mean, they aren't attached to his bones, just to his skin, so with enough force, they can come off like anybodies fingernails, right?

Whether the Thing's skin is penetrable or not - fact is when you compare 85 ton class muscle (with increased durability) to a maximum of 5-10 ton class mutant with claws that could at best scratch the Thing - the clear victor is evident...

No. There isn't a "clear winner", Sabretooth could kill him, I doubt Thing could kill Creed, actually, I'm sure he couldn't.

It could go either way.

Originally posted by long pig
No. There isn't a "clear winner", Sabretooth could kill him, I doubt Thing could kill Creed, actually, I'm sure he couldn't.

It could go either way.

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Wow!

Dude it's puff puff pass. Then repeat if needed.

So they say.

Whomever "they" are?

Thats just going with the avatar theme. No offense. It's all good.

At 1st it sounded like you were going for Ben and then you switched to Sabes and then back and back again. And then who knows? It's all good.

Just not sure where you finally set down?

Believe me Ben could kill Creed if he needed too. Quickly and unscathed.

Even with (possible) 10 Ton range strength Sabes claws could not puncture Ben's hide as Wolvies did. Just not long enough.

Scratches only.

Ben wins.

Sabes ends up on a stretcher.

I'm starting to lean towards thing, by a 6.5 out of 10 win.

Originally posted by olympian
"he only THOUGHT hulks skin was inpentrable...but infact, it only APPEARS that way....."

In his first fight with the Hulk, he couldnt pierce his skin.

"Hulk obviously thinks he can do it...as hulk had a mental fight with logan and logan was cutting the shit out of him..."

Thats something that came up later then, at first he couldnt. Seems kinda like a powerup for adamantium.

it very well could be but these were words from the man himself..."When I first fought the hulk I thought his skin was inpenitrable, but the truth is hulk heals so fast it only appears that way"

Originally posted by long pig
Well, ok.
They blame the reason why Logan couldn't cut Hulk the first time was due to inexperience, doesn't make any sense but that's their excuse.
Now, he certainly can cut Hulk, any Hulk and he can certianly cut Thing.

When did Sabretooth get his upgrade? Are you positive he still has adamantium? Are you positive he has 10ton or more strength?

Creed's nails aren't positioned right to have enough leverage like wolverines claws, so sticking his nails straight into Thing is doubtful, but scratching him is very possible.

Thing wins 6/10, but probably ends up dyings from bloodloss afterwards.

btw, couldn't Creeds nails come off? I mean, they aren't attached to his bones, just to his skin, so with enough force, they can come off like anybodies fingernails, right?

how could he kill sabes with brute force when brute force doesn't cut it against wolverin half the time? how is he going to be unscathed when he's been mutilated by a weaker version of sabretooth?

Retractable claws? lol wtf...how....🤨? They aren't even hook shaped. They need to kinda....explain that a little.

A tiger's claws are connected to their bones I believe, so ok, I can dig it, Sabretooths probably are too.

I can see him slashing chunks of Thing's body away at a time, but I still don't see him stabbing him ala wolverine.

Hmmm, I change my vote, 6/10 Sabretooth.

like I said it's just the character..I have no idea how it works...but it definitely explains why his claws vary in size from occasion to occassion..

i still think all he really needs is one good slash to the face or throat and it's pretty much over...ben doesn't have that same kinda garantee even with his superior strength...

Yeah, I've seen his claws be less than an inch at one time, then later on be over a foot long.

If Sabretooth goes straight for the kill(which he will, and always has) or straight for the eyes, then it's basically a wrap. Thing has a sort of healing factor, maybe twice that of a normal human, but nothing to boast about.

agreed.

Originally posted by jinzin
marvel.com is horribly inacurate....they haven't even acknowedged sabretooth's own enhancements there...and sabretooth has always been a better fighter than ben...always...

Question?

Which of Sabertooth's marvel statistics is it that you disagree with?

sabretooth's durability was at a 4 before he got the admantium afterwards it should have gone up dramatically...it should be a 6

his speed was also augmented and he should be faster than a normal human at 2 since his upgrades he should at least be a 4 (same as GR)

and his fighting ability is a 7...always has been...putting him down to a 5 isn't accurate at all...

Originally posted by jinzin
sabretooth's durability was at a 4 before he got the admantium afterwards it should have gone up dramatically...it should be a 6

his speed was also augmented and he should be faster than a normal human at 2 since his upgrades he should at least be a 4 (same as GR)

and his fighting ability is a 7...always has been...putting him down to a 5 isn't accurate at all...

His fighting skills have never been a 7.

I think 5 is about right.

yes they have...you should further research the stat he was given back in the early to mid 90's