Originally posted by grey fox
so from what you guys are saying you want a army of moraly pure men/women fighting against the equivalent of rapists serial killers and dictators
So from what you are saying...BULLSHIT
No one claimed that.......its not aboot every single soldier, its just this kind of "we are right, they are wrong" -thingy .... and the only war that comes to mind that a great majoritiy would agree on is WWII I think.....
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes I don't believe in morals, i believe Morals comae aboot from selfishness....basically Humans don't like to get Killed so they get together to not get killed so this is the basic Moral "Don't kill another Human" ....... and Hitler did that.....although morally that is not wrong, it is and will probably forever be considered as evil...it would have been in Germany back then too if those people weren't seen as below Human.
Killing hasn't always been wrong. Would you kill a 1st grade school class if it would cure aids and cancer... I would.
Hitler thought he could everybody thats not Aryan and he would save the world in doing so. Killing for him was not wrong it was a means to an end. During the crusades killing had to be done by orders of the church, that was wrong but nobody considered it wrong at that time because well it wasn't back then. During Rome people were thrown before the lions and gladiator games were held, thousands died. It wasn't considered evil it was considered entertainment. When Rome fought its wars others thought they were evil, Rome thought they were saving the world by bringing them civilization. All opinions killing isn't seen as wrong, at least not most of the time. Most killers don't even think they are wrong.
So from what you are saying...BULLSHIT
Sorry i wasn't talking about your post i was basing my post on this quote
A war that involves the classic Allies vs. Axis, good vs. evil sides. Pure allegory, where one side symbolizes good, the other symbolizes evil, none of this just/unjust/fair/unfair/media-painted crap going on in the Middle East.
Originally posted by Fishy
Killing hasn't always been wrong. Would you kill a 1st grade school class if it would cure aids and cancer... I would.Hitler thought he could everybody thats not Aryan and he would save the world in doing so. Killing for him was not wrong it was a means to an end. During the crusades killing had to be done by orders of the church, that was wrong but nobody considered it wrong at that time because well it wasn't back then. During Rome people were thrown before the lions and gladiator games were held, thousands died. It wasn't considered evil it was considered entertainment. When Rome fought its wars others thought they were evil, Rome thought they were saving the world by bringing them civilization. All opinions killing isn't seen as wrong, at least not most of the time. Most killers don't even think they are wrong.
Ha, your reasoning has a major flaw, why would you kill? To find a cure to cancer which would safe more lives...but that doesn't change it, I didn't say it is a real moral, it the first that comes to mind, cause it is the most basic want of a human being (well I agree with Thomas Hobbes there) .... and so it is not abot real Evil versus Good, it is aboot subjective (majority wise) thinking of evil and good...that is why a war against aliens would be Evil vs. Good...cause for us Humans would be "good"
Originally posted by Bardock42
Ha, your reasoning has a major flaw, why would you kill? To find a cure to cancer which would safe more lives...but that doesn't change it, I didn't say it is a real moral, it the first that comes to mind, cause it is the most basic want of a human being (well I agree with Thomas Hobbes there) .... and so it is not abot real Evil versus Good, it is aboot subjective (majority wise) thinking of evil and good...that is why a war against aliens would be Evil vs. Good...cause for us Humans would be "good"
Yeah I would kill for good.
Hitler wanted to kill for good. The allies killed for good. Ghengis Khan killed for good, Africanus and Barca killed for good. They all thought they killed for good. So they did what they thought was the right.
And yeah a war against Aliens would be evil vs good, humans vs the others... But on earth there has never been a war of evil vs good.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes it is subjective this "good"but if you totally agree with your reasoning a war against Aliens wouldn't be "good vs. evil" either.....not anymore than any other war, just that it seems more obvious
No it wouldn't be good against evil. But it would be humans against aliens which is good for us... Well which could be good for us.
Originally posted by Fishy
No it wouldn't be good against evil. But it would be humans against aliens which is good for us... Well which could be good for us.
Originally posted by Bardock42
OLh now saying good for "us" is not perfect either, cause in fact fighting hitler was good for "us" too.......since it was good for Germany and for those that weren't occupied by the Nazis ...... but as you have seen before their are people that would prefer Aliens to win, so this agian is not all of "us"
You are becoming a bit to picky right now...
But okay technically you are right, still it would be good for the mayority of the human race...
If Hitler would have won, it would still have been good for the mayority of the human race, seeing as all none whites would not be seen as a part of the human race...
Originally posted by Fishy
You are becoming a bit to picky right now...But okay technically you are right, still it would be good for the mayority of the human race...
If Hitler would have won, it would still have been good for the mayority of the human race, seeing as all none whites would not be seen as a part of the human race...
Originally posted by Bardock42
Haha, whos picky now ....yes ok....I basically agree with you so i don't want to argue, just one thing can we agree that from today, for the majority of "us" WWII s basically the one war where most agree it was kind of good vs evil?
Yeah but only because its recent history 😛
Originally posted by pr1983
umm...a war with aliens wouldnt neccessarily be bad...
they see a lesser species and need to exploit them to survive... like we do with animals...
good and evil are subjective (as has already been said)
though id be the first one trying to organise a resistance...
Well yes that's what I am saying but people would faster agree that it is evil vs. good.
And I don't believe a word you say.....you already have an alien as your sig...and a Mutie as your avi.....if you were really Human Friendly you'd have Batsy there....
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well yes that's what I am saying but people would faster agree that it is evil vs. good.And I don't believe a word you say.....you already have an alien as your sig...and a Mutie as your avi.....if you were really Human Friendly you'd have Batsy there....
Evil and Good for us...
But they both fight to protect the earth... both have died to protect it...
Originally posted by hotsauce6548
A war against aliens in that movie would no more be a war than there is one between men and ants... 😉
Yes, but the ants would more than likely win the war in the long run, since they are everywhere. Think about it, if ants were to wage a war on humans, they could just get into your house and kill you in your sleep, probably crawl into your lungs and start biting.
GOOD NIGHT FOREVER...
Originally posted by pr1983
Evil and Good for us...But they both fight to protect the earth... both have died to protect it...
Yes...all subjective....
Yes...but the one is stupid and the other is the greatest human ever alive....
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I would love aliens to come here again for some reason.Just to see most to all humans going "Crap! Maybe we don't actually know everything."
-AC
So true...we's probably say something like "Oh shit, maybe we are not that great after all"
Originally posted by hotsauce6548
A war against aliens in that movie would no more be a war than there is one between men and ants... 😉
Depends, did we start it on their homeplanet or did they on ours, or did we just meet somewhere in the universe....