Dooku and Windu

I don't like that idea one bit, Diamond; why would Mace or Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan or Anakin or Yoda be any good at a duel if three of their fellow Jedi weren't? Does that mean the entire Order could not fight duels?

If anything, they were more caught off guard. Old wrinkle Chancellor suddenly turns into their murderer.

No such thing as luck for a Jedi, Vanquish. Yoda can't have bad luck if luck doesn't exist. 😉

Even if Palpatine did fake it, Monkey- and I'm pretty sure he did- it does not effect how much Anakin's choice affected the Galaxy. Everything happens for a reason in Star Wars, all of it is Fate and destiny and such. Anakin could have chosen 'Hey, I'll listen to Mace! This guy is shooting lightning, that mofo!' but he chose 'Hey, I'll listen to Palps, because Mace is stupid and trying to take over the Republic and he's making me feel guilty and slow, and I want to own someone's ass here...oh, and my wife needs to live...'

Originally posted by Darth_Rankkor
Already discussed before. Dooku escaped because he had with him the plans OF THE DEATH STAR. He wasn't going to risk those being caught FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For once, i will agree with the Pork Chop.

Dooku escaped because he did have the plans for the death star.

So, we will never know who won.

Oh and Dooku would cave Mace's head in with his superkick, as shown on EPIII

Right on Sorgo!

Originally posted by chilled monkey
You didn't read my last post, did you? This movie is about ANAKIN, NOT Sidious.

Two ways to look at it:

1) Mace defeated Sidious and Anakin's decision is the ONLY reason Sidious wasn't killed. If Anakin had got held up, the Jedi would have lived and the Empire would have never existed. Anakin's actions determine the entire galaxy's fate.

2) Sidious didn't need Anakin at all. If Anakin had got held up, he'd have just killed Windu anyway. The fact that Anakin does show up doesn't really make any difference.

Which one seems more likely?

You can say 'Sidious faked it Cuz he knew Ani would stop Mace and after that his journeu to da DARK SIDE would be complete' til you're blue in the face. The fact remains that Anakin is the focus here, and the only way he can be that is if Mace defeated Sidious and Anakin's actions are what made the difference.

Simple as.

I have to interfere. You're grievously mistaken. If that is true - every single scene in the movie would have Anakin in it. I do recall that there were several scenes that didn't involve Anakin in the slightest. So that blows your pathetic theory all to hell.

This movie is indeed about Anakin. But that doesn't mean he is involved in every single facet of it.

Yup.

And I don't think Dooku ran away because he had the stupid plans. If he was dead, what would the plans matter to him? If he wasn't about to die and it was just a stale-mate, why not push his luck and fight on to do Yoda in?

Dooku has a superkick? That sounds like a Superman move, not a Dooku thing.

ok look whoever said the crap about yoda and palpatine needs think about what they just posted. as far as im concerned and what i have seen in ROTS. palpatine is a little *****. Mace Windu whooped his ass. he had him near the window jus helpless. and yoda and palaptines duel was dissappointment for me cuz yoda culd seriously take him. i blame lucas for that one. Mace vs. Dooku...close but goes to count dooku they evn have it in the databanks on star wars.com in mace's expaned univers bio.

Originally posted by Darth Calladus
yoda and palaptines duel was dissappointment for me cuz yoda culd seriously take him.

Seriously, I'm sure half of you people haven't even seen the bloody film.

hey darth somebody. i dont know what star wars you was watchin but in the mace vs palpatine duel there were several shots where mace clearly made palpatine look like a little girl. and anakin showed at the last minute of the duel right after his saber was knocked from his hand.besides anakin ratted him out to the jedi anyway. do you really think palpatine had planned to lose to mace windu after fighting to the death and have anakin just magically walk in andcome to the resuce to save his worthless underrated ass

I agree.

Sidious beats Yoda, but oh, he's not better than Windu! Pfft. Watch the movie. He beats Yoda, but "is defeated" by Windu, because he is faking it. Start of the duel, he kills three Masters and is pushing Mace back, then starts to flake as we see Anakin leave the Temple.

Originally posted by Darth Calladus
hey darth somebody. i dont know what star wars you was watchin but in the mace vs palpatine duel there were several shots where mace clearly made palpatine look like a little girl. and anakin showed at the last minute of the duel right after his saber was knocked from his hand.besides anakin ratted him out to the jedi anyway. do you really think palpatine had planned to lose to mace windu after fighting to the death and have anakin just magically walk in andcome to the resuce to save his worthless underrated ass

*sigh*

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......................................look man first of all those jedi masters are worthless anyway. did you even consider who was with him. and its not liek he culd choose a better group to go with him. and the only reason he backed up was so he culd have more room to fight. so u can go ahead blow that part of ur post to hell. i mean thas jus common sense. you guys are just automatically assuming the sith can beat evrybody in the order. and thats not true. Mace windu culd have ended his life at any point when plaptin lost his saber

*starts crying*

Why do I even bother? Oi...

Jedi Masters are not worthless fighters. Masters = skilled for various reasons enough for them to be Masters and not Knights. Also must be noted, all three of them were Council members.

And that was all part of the ruse. Palpatine, helpless and unarmed, was pleading for Anakin to do something about the mean nasty Jedi coming to kill him. If Palpatine could really defend himself, why would Anakin bother helping him?

if thats what you guys really think about mace and palpatine. then i dont know what to say.........i mean really think about the reprocussions of being wrong about anakin. it didnt happen but what his influence wasnt enough. im pretty sure palpainte being the mastermind that he is wuld not just take a chance like that. if he was wrong about anakin all those of years of waiting and planning and his empire.....gone with a quick slash of a purple blade

Then just don't say anything, I'll be quite happy.

And yup, that just about sums it up.

i didnt mean all the jedi master, jus the ones he was with. and see thats the thing he jus stood there when he wlaked in anyway. at first he though mace was going to spare him and i belive he was if palpatines dum ass didnt piss him off by shooting lightning at him. anakin needed him for padme thats why he came to make sure mace didnt kill him. the struggle in that whole betryal was for padme. he didnt come to help palpatine

and no im gonna keep talking cuz ur wrong
and it dont make sense for people to jus to go on about crap thats jus flat out wrong

I think you need to watch the film again.

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anywho... the Palp/Mace debate is happening here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=343049&goto=lastpost

This thread is for Mace vs Dooku, a fight I am still undecided about...