silver surfer vs energy superman

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Actually it works either way in regard to the cutting blah blah yes before he gained full control of his powers he could be captured blah blah blah when he gained full control that didn't happen 😄

It didnt happen, doesnt mean it couldnt happen. Before he was getting manipulated and contained by earth level energy manipulators. SS is far from that so who's to say SS still couldnt.

I see you havent addressed my point that energy supes is very susceptible to excessive radiation, or the fact that energy supes tires a lot easier than standard supes does. Any reason for that? As it stands SS wins this but im open to convincing if its within your capabilities. 😄

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Prove all of this.

Reading is fundamental. You have doubted me before and I have proved you wrong.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It didnt happen, doesnt mean it couldnt happen. Before he was getting manipulated and contained by earth level energy manipulators. SS is far from that so who's to say SS still couldnt.

I see you havent addressed my point that energy supes is very susceptible to excessive radiation, or the fact that energy supes tires a lot easier than standard supes does. Any reason for that? As it stands SS wins this but im open to convincing if its within your capabilities. 😄

Storm, this is the Sames Supes who put the moon back in orbit against Neron's magical control and then went straight to fight Asmodel.

Thats some damn good durability. The same feat would have tired Surfer.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Storm, this is the Sames Supes who put the moon back in orbit against Neron's magical control and then went straight to fight Asmodel.

Thats some damn good durability. The same feat would have tired Surfer.

I think you mean endurance there Avvy. Doesnt matter really, he's still susceptible to radiation, being captured and contained by energy wielders, he might have gained resistance to this as he got more experienced however he is not immune to this being done to him and you dont get much more proficient at energy wielding than SS. Energy supes in comparison to SS is inexperienced with such energy powers. SS takes this.

Well I just want to say, SS has had his energy drained before on a couple of occasionss, but it wasnt long enough so therefore it wasnt that effective. Also in the crossover, when he was drained, he seemed NOT to have a way to get back energy unless given to him.

On another note, Surfer has had a few bad displays of sh**ty endurance. I have an instance where he tires after about 3 minutes of expending his powers. Then needs to take a nap to re-charge.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I think you mean endurance there Avvy. Doesnt matter really, he's still susceptible to radiation, being captured and contained by energy wielders, he might have gained resistance to this as he got more experienced however he is not immune to this being done to him and you dont get much more proficient at energy wielding than SS. Energy supes in comparison to SS is inexperienced with such energy powers. SS takes this.

Corrected. I did mean endurance. 😮

Absorbing energy

Absorbing energy AND scanning weaknesses

Resisting being drained - Cyborg also tries this later with a much more effective method, and ends up with Supes red and blue. 🙂

Converting Sound into electromagnetic energy (He got much better at this type of thing too)

Holding it down with Asmodel (would would Destroy Surfer)

In addition, this Supes can create forcefields and has GLish abilities.
He can also shut down brain and body functions.

Fair enough you've provided soem pretty pictures for us to look at but how has the situation changed, how have my points been countered? You've just shown in comic book form some abilities of energy supes that we all already knew about and all of which SS is capable of.

"Holding it down with Asmodel (would would Destroy Surfer)"

You cant really say that when you havent put up a convincing argument as to how energy supes wouldnt get destroyed by Surfer.

Again energy supes resisted being absorbed but he's not immune to it, in this form he was learning new abilities every few issues, he still wasnt adept at using them he was still learning and finally energy supes is still susceptible to radiation. No offense but these scans while im grateful for them, they have changed nothing.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Fair enough you've provided soem pretty pictures for us to look at but how has the situation changed, how have my points been countered? You've just shown in comic book form some abilities of energy supes that we all already knew about and all of which SS is capable of.

"Holding it down with Asmodel (would would Destroy Surfer)"

You cant really say that when you havent put up a convincing argument as to how energy supes wouldnt get destroyed by Surfer.

Again energy supes resisted being absorbed but he's not immune to it, in this form he was learning new abilities every few issues, he still wasnt adept at using them he was still learning and finally energy supes is still susceptible to radiation. No offense but these scans while im grateful for them, they have changed nothing.

Yea, The pics are for those who aren't familiar with this version of Supes.

As for Asmodel, Just touching him vaporizes a regular human. MM fought his hardest and was ashing up. Supes held his own wrestling just long enough without being destroyed.

Also...As I said, when the Cyborg attempted to drain Supes via a machine...he ended up with 2 supes(no longer have the issue or I would have provided a scan as I try to do.) Also as Supes can gain more energy from the environment or nearby opponents (SS) what good would trying to drain him do? Another Example: Dr Light gained control of the electromagnetic spectrum through alien means changing Supes into radio energy but Supes turned himself back unharmed and still at full power quickly.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Yea, The pics are for those who aren't familiar with this version of Supes.

As for Asmodel, Just touching him vaporizes a regular human. MM fought his hardest and was ashing up. Supes held his own wrestling just long enough without being destroyed.

Also...As I said, when the Cyborg attempted to drain Supes via a machine...he ended up with 2 supes(no longer have the issue or I would have provided a scan as I try to do.) Also as Supes can gain more energy from the environment or nearby opponents (SS) what good would trying to drain him do? Another Example: Dr Light gained control of the electromagnetic spectrum through alien means changing Supes into radio energy but Supes turned himself back unharmed and still at full power quickly.

If you haven't noticed, Surfer isn't a regular human. You're only assuming that he couldn't handle rouge Asmodel.

Dazzler can convert sound into EM energy (light.) For a herald, that's a parlor trick.

Surfer can siphon energy, not just absorb it. He can manipulate matter, he has command over all forms of electromagnetic energy, and he can do a truckload of other stuff thay you aready know about.

Superman just isn't in the same league.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
If you haven't noticed, Surfer isn't a regular human. You're only assuming that he couldn't handle rouge Asmodel.

Dazzler can convert sound into EM energy (light.) For a herald, that's a parlor trick.

Surfer can siphon energy, not just absorb it. He can manipulate matter, he has command over all forms of electromagnetic energy, and he can do a truckload of other stuff thay you aready know about.

Superman just isn't in the same league.

Never said that SS was a human...and you are right about Dazzler.
Now, do either of these things prove SS gets an automatic victory? Nope.

However, since both control energy, this is probably the way the fight is going to go. Supes can drain from his environment, SS can't. Supes also has greater endurance. SS can't drain/nor can he transmute supes into anything. Electric supes is also as strong as the original from examples that I have seen. These are the reasons I give him the win.

PS. What makes you so sure that Supes won't drain Surfer?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Never said that SS was a human...and you are right about Dazzler.
Now, do either of these things prove SS gets an automatic victory? Nope.

However, since both control energy, this is probably the way the fight is going to go. Supes can drain from his environment, SS can't. Supes also has greater endurance. SS can't drain/nor can he transmute supes into anything. Electric supes is also as strong as the original from examples that I have seen. These are the reasons I give him the win.

PS. What makes you so sure that Supes won't drain Surfer?

Silver Surfer can and does absorb energy from his envronment.

Can you prove that Superman has greater endurance or greater durability? Why wouldn't Surfer be able to transmute Superman?

Surfer can increase his strength to unknown levels by redirecting his cosmic energy.

Can you give any examples of Superman draining energy from anyone?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Reading is fundamental. You have doubted me before and I have proved you wrong.

Prove Energy Superman is faster than light, and that he can fight at faster than light speeds. Prove that he is a better energy manipulator than Silver Surfer.

It appears that the only comics you've read that include the Silver Surfer are crossovers.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
If you haven't noticed, Surfer isn't a regular human. You're only assuming that he couldn't handle rouge Asmodel.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Silver Surfer can and does absorb energy from his envronment.

Can you prove that Superman has greater endurance or greater durability? Why wouldn't Surfer be able to transmute Superman?

Surfer can increase his strength to unknown levels by redirecting his cosmic energy.

Can you give any examples of Superman draining energy from anyone?

Have you read my previous examples?

DR light with alien tech tried that on Supes and supes just came back.
Cyborg tried to destroy supes by draining him in a machine and dispersing his energy and got Supes red and Supes Blue. Surfer is neither draining or transmuting Supes. Even if he somehow was able to, he would create more supermen. 🙂

Surfer runs out of energy. Supes doesnt. I showed the example of supes taking energy fromt he environment..Now you show me something similar. Lately I've been showing proof of things.... now its your turn.

My examples are clear as to why surfer won't be able to do anything now you show ME why Supes could not drain surfer.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He was still human enough for Doom to steal his power 😉

That made absolutely no sense.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
That made absolutely no sense.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Have you read my previous examples?

DR light with alien tech tried that on Supes and supes just came back.
Cyborg tried to destroy supes by draining him in a machine and dispersing his energy and got Supes red and Supes Blue. Surfer is neither draining or transmuting Supes. Even if he somehow was able to, he would create more supermen. 🙂

Surfer runs out of energy. Supes doesnt. I showed the example of supes taking energy fromt he environment..Now you show me something similar. Lately I've been showing proof of things.... now its your turn.

My examples are clear as to why surfer won't be able to do anything now you show ME why Supes could not drain surfer.

Dr. Light tried what?

It was to my understanding that Cyborg tried to take over Superman's body, not transmute him, or drain him.

Prove that Superman doesn't run out of energy, or that Surfer does. While you're at it, prove that Superman can actually drain energy from anyone.

Here's Surfer, draining solar energy from the sun.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Prove Energy Superman is faster than light, and that he can fight at faster than light speeds. Prove that he is a better energy manipulator than Silver Surfer.

It appears that the only comics you've read that include the Silver Surfer are crossovers.