Originally posted by AmrothSkywalker
Being chopped up only affected him a little force wise, what does the force have to do with your body's condition or size.(Yoda) The only thing that prevented him from being the strongest Jedi ever was not being a Jedi and becoming a sith.
When he was chopped up he:
1. lost a crapload of midichlorians. And according to the wonderful GL logic, midichlorians - force power
2. lost a crapload of agility. Now, this is mostly because of the time when the OT was made, and special FX and CGI weren't so big. I mean, if it were to be totally remade, i'm sure Gen. Grievous would be a little pu$$y compared to what Vader could do. Jumping around, using his lightsaber even better maybe....
3. lost the potential to use force lightning. I read somewhere (not supershadow) that since he has metal arms and hands, he can't channel force lightning or it would kill him (much like it does when Sids does it)
~wickerman~
I agree with the agility thing because of technology and machineness. But the force lightning topic was discussed like forever in other threads and I think that force lightning was just never taught to Vader by Palps because he didn't want to be overthrown like he did to his master. Using lightning doesn't need to come out of your hands just like any other force power it just helps in guiding its direction. Think about it, if force lightning literally came out of your hands they would get fried. Dude midi-chlorians aren't about how much blood or big you are Yoda had more midi-chlorians than everyone else(Except Anakin) didn't he? Midi-chlorians are like genetics they are passed on through living cells. Luke would have had half or less of the midi-chlorian count of Vader, and why did he beat him? becasue he made more potential out of himself then Anakin/Vader he was a true Jedi with no conflictions like his father. Midi-chlorians are NOT a count of all the cells in your body. When QGJ asks for a midi-chlorian count from Obi-Wan all he gets is a count of how many midi-chlorians are in ONE cell, midi-chlorians have often been related to mitochondria in our own body because of many reasons one including they are the one of the smallest things in our body and 20,000 Midi-chlorians(How many Obi-Wan said Anakin had) in one cell is really not too crazy because thousands of mitochondria are packed into our body. Coming to the point of it all 1. midi-chlorians are measured only by single cell's and concern only force potential 2. Luke made more of his potential than Vader did that's why he beat and couldn't have had more midi-chlorians than Vader 3. Force lightning does not come literally out of your hands so Vader never learned it or we just never see him use it and 4. Vader only lost movement after his accident, any force power he lost or seemed to lose was because he turned to the dark side.
Vader is the strongest force user, second only to Luke. This is How I think the jedi/sith go in order of strength of force and saber technique
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Vader (In and out of suit, it doesn't matter)
3. Darth Sidious
4. Yoda
5. Mace Windu
6. Obi Wan
...
With the exception of one, Darth Vader is indeed the most powerful of all force users
I want to know how anyone can possibly think Luke is the strongest force user.
He was set up by his "mentors" to face sidious. His mentors counted on Vader's compassion, without it, Luke dies in a cloud of ozone.
Maybe your talking about the EU which does not count.
I could accept anakin, or vader in the suit or yoda or sidious. Thats about it.
Originally posted by viking12344
I want to know how anyone can possibly think Luke is the strongest force user.He was set up by his "mentors" to face sidious. His mentors counted on Vader's compassion, without it, Luke dies in a cloud of ozone.
Vader/Anakin was the Chosen One. Maybe Yoda and Obi knew that he would still destroy the Sith.
I also think your forgetting NJO Luke.