You said hurtful in the previous inferno, and the word dominating was used by another person who also does not want telepathy to be an option in this inferno.
^^no, i used the word Violante. violate and hurtful are different words. hurtful you would have to use an act of force to be technically "hurtful". violence doesn't have to have a psychical action in it. i could make a violent threat, but no where am i hurting anyone
Originally posted by stormfront13
You said hurtful in the previous inferno, and the word dominating was used by another person who also does not want telepathy to be an option in this inferno.^^no, i used the word Violante. violate and hurtful are different words. hurtful you would have to use an act of force to be technically "hurtful". violence doesn't have to have a psychical action in it. i could make a violent threat, but no where am i hurting anyone
No... You did say hurtful. You were arguing that the strong willed people could fight back, and because they could not win, it woulb hurt, or be hurtful to them.
I argued that subverting one's free will is a violation of their being, which is the epitome of a hostile action.
Psionically controlling someone's actions without their permission or implanting a psychic illusion to trick them into an action is hostile, just as someone secretly using a date rape drug on you to subvert your inhibitions (control) is hostile or someone running a con on you to trick you into giving them your money (illusion) is hostile.
Man...
Using the drug to enact the rape is hostile, Nella. Someone slipping you a mickey, without your permission, so they can have sex with you without you resisting them, is hostile.
Someone creating a facade to take advantage of your good nature or finances is hostile. Scam artists are predators. Deception to gain leverage is a hostile act. Subterfuge can be a hostile act.
Please, stop playing coy.
You know fully what I mean, especially with you being a woman.
If I slipped rohypnol into your drink, without you knowing, you drank it, and then, under it's influence, I controlled your actions without you resisting me due to the submissive state the drug places you in, and had my way with you, making you do things you normally of your own free will wouldn't do, you wouldn't consider that hostile?
If I chose to take advantage of your body in that state, but you weren't in a frame of mind to resist or act freely due to my influence, you wouldn't consider that hostile?
That's not rape? That's not a violation of your being?
Not just the sex, but using the drug to subvert your will.
After your will is gone, I don't have to be 'aggressive' with you, you won't resist whatever I make you do anyway. Are you suggesting that only an act of 'aggression', like physical assault, is a hostile act?
Originally posted by Nataku8188
Yes, we understand, but that's just because you're raping her. If I used rohpynol and a really mean person just to shut them the **** up, that wouldn't be hostile at all.
You've gotta be kidding me.
Forcing a person to commit an act by subverting their free will is a hostile action, even if you don't physically harm them. Hostility is not a purely physical action.
I can't believe I'm the only person that seems to understand that.
You mean to tell me that you wouldn't find someone manipulating you into carrying out actions by controlling your body without your permission as hostile?
I'm sorry to seem insulting, but you are either naive, dilluded, or completely full of shit.
Originally posted by Nataku8188
Yes, we understand, but that's just because you're raping her. If I used rohpynol and a really mean person just to shut them the **** up, that wouldn't be hostile at all.
And Nataku, that would be a hostile act to the mean person. It's a matter of perspective. Even assholes have civil rights.
Originally posted by illadelph12
You've gotta be kidding me.Forcing a person to commit an act by subverting their free will is a hostile action, even if you don't physically harm them. Hostility is not a purely physical action.
I can't believe I'm the only person that seems to understand that.
You mean to tell me that you wouldn't find someone manipulating you into carrying out actions by controlling your body without your permission as hostile?
I'm sorry to seem insulting, but you are either naive, dilluded, or completely full of shit.
Well if you're the only one who seems to understand what you are saying, maybe you aren't right, maybe you're just the only one who doesn't understand what everyone else is saying.
Hostile -
1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of an enemy: hostile forces; hostile acts.
2. Feeling or showing enmity or ill will; antagonistic: a hostile remark.
3. Unfavorable to health or well-being; inhospitable or adverse: a hostile climate.
Using a sedative to calm someone down is NOT a hostile act. It is not definitly not defined by 1, 2 would only be if you used the sedative to calm them in an effort to cause them ill will, and 3 is only if it's in an attempt to harm them. If I drug you to get you to shut up, it's not harming you or me, it's just making you shut up. If I punched you in the face to shut you up, that's a hostile act, but using a sedative shouldn't be considered hostile. It's underhanded, yes, but it is not hostile or malicious.
Umm... unfavourable to the health or well being? How is drugging someone NOT that? Well being isn't only not having a broken leg, you know!! Like... why is it that you're not allowed to curse loudly -or at all lol- in public? Not cause it hurts anyone. It's cause it causes an disconfort in the surrounding people. It's a hostile act. Why? Look: if you're cursing loudly and braking things in the office, it's hard to work for me. If I can't work, I can't make a living, which causes my lack of well being. See?
Oh, and I understand 100% what Ill is saying, Van.
About the drugs... If I were to slip your drink, then ask you to have sex with me, and you said yes, only because of the drug's influence, it's still considered rape. Now, you must wonder why that is? Why everyone is't always slipping everyone else's drink? Cuz you don't want to. Now, if you were to say (and this is a doubtful thing to actually happen but in theory it is true) if you were to shake off the drug in the middle of my banging you, ould you say 'hmm... must have drugged me. ok... ooOOOy YEAAA!! Harder harder...' NO!!! You'd be freaked!! You'd fight!! Now, are you being hostile towards me? Should I sue you for hitting me? No. Why? cause I'd lose (unless my lawyer was a GOD!!! lol) Why would I lose? You were defending yourself, that's why. I forced you indirectly to have sex with me. Which is why it's a hostile act. Thank you Thank you!! I love you all. Here, baby drink this, I put something special in it... lol
It's SOOOOOO simple!! How could you not understand!!