The Inferno?????

She understands, she's just playing dumb. And I know Jinzin understands, he's one of the more intelligent members of the board.

It's typical though, and sad, in Va Nella's case. She was so adamantly debating that using knockout gas was a hostile act in the original inferno, but now using a date rape drug isn't. And you're a woman. Wow.

Such blatant hypocricy displayed rather than simply admitting your wrong says a lot about your character Nella. Add that up with your unnecessary rude remarks towards Storm at every junction and, well,
there was a song written just for you. It's track number 4 of disc 2 of 2Pac's "All Eyez on Me" LP.

You might want to listen to it.

*edit*

I also want to say that I hope you never get raped using a date rape drug Nella, because your comments on here could be used against you and would get the guy that raped you off in the court of law.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Hostile -
1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of an enemy: hostile forces; hostile acts.
2. Feeling or showing enmity or ill will; antagonistic: a hostile remark.
3. Unfavorable to health or well-being; inhospitable or adverse: a hostile climate.

Using a sedative to calm someone down is NOT a hostile act. It is not definitly not defined by 1, 2 would only be if you used the sedative to calm them in an effort to cause them ill will, and 3 is only if it's in an attempt to harm them. If I drug you to get you to shut up, it's not harming you or me, it's just making you shut up. If I punched you in the face to shut you up, that's a hostile act, but using a sedative shouldn't be considered hostile. It's underhanded, yes, but it is not hostile or malicious.

Jinzin, committing an act against someone's free will is hostile. If I don't permit you to use the sedative on me, and you do it against my wishes, it's a hostile act. Regardless of whether I was acting unruly or not. From your perspective as the person using the sedative you're doing it to calm me down. As the person that the sedative is being administered to, you're drugging me against my will so that you can halt my action against my will. That's hostile. Even though your intentions, from your perspective, aren't hostile, to the party at the receiving end, they are. It's all about perspective.

what if the party being drugged doesn't know they are being drugged?.... then they aren't perceiving anyone as acting against them in a hostile manner

As I said, once they realise that they've been drugged, they freak. Noone wants to be drugged, noone wants to be raped. That's the point. No matter what, wether the drugged-ees no it or not, it's a hostile act. If I were to grab you and force you to sign a blank check to my name, would you be happy? NO!! If I were to have sex with you (course, I would NEVER, I'm not for gay) while you were asleep, would you be happy when you woke up? Would you accept that you were asleep and so accepted it? No. You were asleep! It wasn't concent! Do you know what the date rape drug is, Scoob? It's basically putting you to sleep while you're awake. You know that state, when someone wakes you up in the middle pof the night to ask you a question, and you just want them to go the hell away, so you just say yes to everything? It's like that sort of state, but more strong. So it's wrong. Plain stinking WRONG!!
Man, this is stupid. You all understand, as Ill said, so there's no point in trying to drill this into your heads. Like, you know the sky is blue. It's a fact, you see it as blue. Why argue, just to get a little convinience? It's just a childish way to act, and if you really want your mind-rape so much, fine! Have it, we argued around it last time, and we will now.

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
you know the sky is blue. It's a fact, you see it as blue. Why argue, just to get a little convinience?

you know............ the sky isn't always blue...... 🙄

lol

i don't want any telepathy in this thing either

😄

ha... you're funny, Scoob.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Jinzin, committing an act against someone's free will is hostile. If I don't permit you to use the sedative on me, and you do it against my wishes, it's a hostile act. Regardless of whether I was acting unruly or not. From your perspective as the person using the sedative you're doing it to calm me down. As the person that the sedative is being administered to, you're drugging me against my will so that you can halt my action against my will. That's hostile. Even though your intentions, from your perspective, aren't hostile, to the party at the receiving end, they are. It's all about perspective.

That's where I disagree. I don't find it to be a hostile act. You define hostile as any act that infringes on someone else's freedoms, I define hostile as something that forces them into a fight or flight response. Drugging someone does NOT force them into a fight or flight response, drugging someone (Based on the useage and the drug, in this case a sedative to calm them down) is being used to calm them down. In this case specifaclly, for the good of both parties. So by trying to help us both, me by shutting you up, and you by keeping you from making an ass of yourself, I'm becoming hostile? In no way shape or form and I attempting to enact a fight or flight response, if you DO enter a fight or flight response, it was not my will, it was your own reaction, and thus you OVERreacted to something that was not a hostile act. If you laugh in my face, and I get mad at you, are you being hostile? You're insulting me against my will, but you did not mean to cause me harm, hell, you could just be laughing because it's funny, yet I am overreacting because I'm perceiving your laughter as an insult.

Synposis - An act should only be considered hostile (In my opinion) if the 'hostile' party is trying to cause you to enter this fight or flight response (I.E. harm to you) Many people overreact to situations, and perceive things as hostile acts, when they were not inteded to be. If I was drugged to calm me down, yes I would feel that it was a hostile act, but in retrospect, I know it wasn't a hostile act.

i disagree

Okay

Originally posted by Scoobless
i disagree

Why ?

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Why ?

you said a hostile act is something that causes a fight/flight response.... what if a person is hit from behind with a steel bar.... no time for that response, yet it is definitely hostile

you also say drugging someone against their will isn't hostile

basically this is where i completely disagree with you "Synposis - An act should only be considered hostile (In my opinion) if the 'hostile' party is trying to cause you to enter this fight or flight response "

my first paragraph shows why this definition just isn't practical

Originally posted by Scoobless
you said a hostile act is something that causes a fight/flight response.... what if a person is hit from behind with a steel bar.... no time for that response, yet it is definitely hostile

you also say drugging someone against their will isn't hostile

basically this is where i completely disagree with you [b]"Synposis - An act should only be considered hostile (In my opinion) if the 'hostile' party is trying to cause you to enter this fight or flight response "

my first paragraph shows why this definition just isn't practical [/B]

If I hit you from behind with a crow bar, you are entering a fight or flight defense. If you don't get knocked out, obviously. You would enter this state without doubt if this happened, but you lost consciousness. Thus, I was TRYING to cause you to enter this fight or flight response. Too bad I took away both of those choices and left you with concussion, but the idea is that if I'm not aiming to actually cause this situatioin as a hostile one, it isn't hostile.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
If I hit you from behind with a crow bar, you are entering a fight or flight defense. If you don't get knocked out, obviously. You would enter this state without doubt if this happened, but you lost consciousness. Thus, I was TRYING to cause you to enter this fight or flight response. Too bad I took away both of those choices and left you with concussion, but the idea is that if I'm not aiming to actually cause this situatioin as a hostile one, it isn't hostile.

So you don't think someone would do that if they knew someone was going to control their mind or drug them against their will before the action took place?

Originally posted by illadelph12
So you don't think someone would do that if they knew someone was going to control their mind or drug them against their will before the action took place?

A rational person will not view a low grade sedative to CALM you down as hostile. A rational person would view mind a drug to put you out of your consciousness as very likely to lead to a hostile situation. A drug that controls minds? That is completely hostile.

Like I said, most people overreact to situations. If you stopped and thought about someone just calming you down, is there REALLY any harm there? How about if they are trying to make you lose conscious thought or impare your judgement? Then there is definitly a good chance it will lead to a hostile action. Mind control? If they need to control your mind, then there is no doubt they are doing something that you would not, under any circumstances do, and are entering a situation where you must fight or run to save yourself from this situation.

a hostile act is any act taken against you without your consent regardless of whether it calms you down or knocks you out

Originally posted by Scoobless
a hostile act is any act taken against you without your consent regardless of whether it calms you down or knocks you out

That's not the dictionary definition, that's your person definition. That's where you and I differ.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
That's not the dictionary definition, that's your person definition. That's where you and I differ.

ok... dictionary definition...

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hostile

hos·tile ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hstl, -tl)
adj.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of an enemy: hostile forces; hostile acts.
Feeling or showing enmity or ill will; antagonistic: a hostile remark.
Unfavorable to health or well-being; inhospitable or adverse: a hostile climate.

n.
An antagonistic person or thing.
An enemy in warfare.

Originally posted by Scoobless
ok... dictionary definition...

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hostile

hos·tile ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hstl, -tl)
adj.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of an enemy: hostile forces; hostile acts.
Feeling or showing enmity or ill will; antagonistic: a hostile remark.
Unfavorable to health or well-being; inhospitable or adverse: a hostile climate.

n.
An antagonistic person or thing.
An enemy in warfare.

Attempting to calm someone down isn't ill will, or unfavorable to their health or well being. At least, as far as I'm concerned.

This argument has come down to a play on words and perception of things, so it really is nothing but personal opinion. Might as well stop now because nothing is going to change.

well in any scenario that comes up in the game it would be classed as "an enemy" possibly "in warfare" .... so any action taken against your enemy is hostile

Originally posted by Scoobless
well in any scenario that comes up in the game it would be classed as "an enemy" possibly "in warfare" .... so any action taken against your enemy is hostile

Definitly in this. We are opposing teams! Unless someone is defecting, it's hostile action.