"Should we A-bomb Iraq?"

Originally posted by AdventChild
feeling good is a side affect... you don't do it to FEEL good you do it well at least i do it intending to do it for them for nothing in return...and if i recieve something ok fine if i don't ok fine it doesn't make a difference to me but i don't do good deeds so i can feel good, i do it for them, feeling good just happens i don't intended to feel good about doing those things nor do i expect to feel good about it...it's a feeling it just comes, it's not like i want the feeling to be there, i really can't help what i feel, but i can help what i do for others, and that's why i do it...not for me but for them...

Okay let me rephrase, you don't do it to feel good. You do it to not feel bad about not helping them. Helping them can you make you feel bad. But somehow you feel better about yourself because you tried, because you won't to stop there pain. You just want to prevent them from being hurt and you do whatever you can to create that. Because it would make you feel bad about yourself otherwise.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
It also should upset you, I am not arguing that there is a self part in that act.

Of course I feel bad when people die, but unless I know them I really don't care for more then a few minutes. The thing is if you wouldn't have thought you did a good thing you wouldn't have worked there. You think you did a good thing (not argueing there really) and that made you do it.

Originally posted by Fishy
Okay let me rephrase, you don't do it to feel good. You do it to not feel bad about not helping them. Helping them can you make you feel bad. But somehow you feel better about yourself because you tried, because you won't to stop there pain. You just want to prevent them from being hurt and you do whatever you can to create that. Because it would make you feel bad about yourself otherwise.

People do it because its right often. How about the guy who takes a bullet for someone he doesn't know and dies.

Originally posted by Fishy
Of course I feel bad when people die, but unless I know them I really don't care for more then a few minutes. The thing is if you wouldn't have thought you did a good thing you wouldn't have worked there. You think you did a good thing (not argueing there really) and that made you do it.

Nothing made me do it, I had the qualifications and it was the right thing to do at the time.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
People do it because its right often. How about the guy who takes a bullet for someone he doesn't know and dies.

He would hate it if he didn't... For some reason he thinks that the guy he doesn't know deserves to live more then he does. And he wouldn't want to live if he didn't save the other person.

Originally posted by Fishy
He would hate it if he didn't... For some reason he thinks that the guy he doesn't know deserves to live more then he does. And he wouldn't want to live if he didn't save the other person.

I think you get compassion confused with self interest Hobbes also did this.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
I think you get compassion confused with self interest Hobbes also did this.

No wrong, Compassion is only there because it makes you feel better. You have it for yourself not for anybody else.

In the words of Russell

Three passions have governed my life:
The longings for love, the search for knowledge,
And unbearable pity for the suffering of [humankind].

Love brings ecstasy and relieves loneliness.
In the union of love I have seen
In a mystic miniature the prefiguring vision
Of the heavens that saints and poets have imagined.

With equal passion I have sought knowledge.
I have wished to understand the hearts of [people].
I have wished to know why the stars shine.

Love and knowledge led upwards to the heavens,
But always pity brought me back to earth;
Cries of pain reverberated in my heart
Of children in famine, of victims tortured
And of old people left helpless.
I long to alleviate the evil, but I cannot,
And I too suffer.

This has been my life; I found it worth living.

I do not argue a self element in caring

You have posted the exact same thing in the other thread, beacuse i'm to lazy to write it again, read the other thread and you can see my reply.

Originally posted by Fishy
No wrong, Compassion is only there because it makes you feel better. You have it for yourself not for anybody else.

Albert Einstein

A human being is a part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feeling as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.

Read it and understand it Fishy 😄

He says nothing but what he would want not what is. Dreams are dreams reality is something different.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Albert Einstein

A human being is a part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feeling as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.

Read it and understand it Fishy 😄

Albert Einstein
was a genius......so more enlightened for his time....just now being really understood........

Originally posted by Fishy
He says nothing but what he would want not what is. Dreams are dreams reality is something different.

OK Victor Frankl as you dsimiss Einstien

We who lived in concentration camps can remember the men who walked through the huts comforting others, giving away their last piece of bread. They may have been few in number, but they offer sufficient proof that everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms -- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way.

As part Roma this touches me greatly

Originally posted by debbiejo
Albert Einstein
was a genius......so more enlightened for his time....just now being really understood........

he was a genius....he's still not understood...but eh was most probably wrong...damn them Quantum Mechanics 😛

Originally posted by whirlysplat
OK Victor Frankl as you dsimiss Einstien

We who lived in concentration camps can remember the men who walked through the huts comforting others, giving away their last piece of bread. They may have been few in number, but they offer sufficient proof that everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms -- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way.

As part Roma this touches me greatly

Again HIS freedom.....HIS chosen attitude....

Originally posted by Bardock42
he was a genius....he's still not understood...but eh was most probably wrong...damn them Quantum Mechanics 😛

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Love Quantum....Ever read the book "holographic Universe"....It'll change all your perceptions.....guaranteed......bet you money on it....

Lots of Quantum stuff is good Suzuki was the man a few years back, damn those superstrings 😄

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Lots of Quantum stuff is good Suzuki was the man a few years back, damn those superstrings 😄

true...although the Superstrings don't contradict Quantum Mechanics...I am no expert on this subject at all...I just read some aboot it....in a book called "The elegent Universe"

They don't contradict no, however in some ways they supersede. I am a molecular biologist and not a physicist😄

Originally posted by whirlysplat
They don't contradict no, however in some ways they supersede. I am a molecular biologist and not a physicist😄

Nice....how do you like your job...I want to study Math and Physics..maybe Philosophy.....do you know a lot aboot Superstrings and Quantum Mechanics?