Or they cry for the waste of human life, the shattered lives, the lost love and opportunities, they simply cry because they are human and they care......................
Originally posted by piccola_nuvola
Or maybe ppl cry in this cases thinking that it might have happened to them...or thinking that one day they will die too. Other ppl's death remind them of their own.
Originally posted by whirlysplat
Again I pity your narrow MTV view
MTV...ha......quite on the contrary...MTV is the pinacle of the stupidity of our recent world ...or was that live8...not sure.
It is not a narrow view...its an open view...it grants you freedom...it frees you from your own stupid believes.....it shows you the world as what it is....an unimportant place with unimportant people that only care for themselves....
read some Hobbes.....read some Nietzsche....come back later when you at least thought aboot what I said for some time....I considered your view...I had to ...its the view of most people nowadays...its wrong though......
Originally posted by whirlysplat
I have read thus spake Zarathrusta yeah Nietzsche sure lived by his code, remind me what happened to him after he saw the horse beat?
Its not aboot his hilosophy...its aboot his view on morals, same with Hobbes his view on Morals...not the State....
Originally posted by whirlysplat
"Do what thou wilt and that shall be the whole of the law", great code to live by Bardock 😕
That's not what I said....I didn't say its great..nor that you can chose to live by it...you just do....its easy as that...human nature......
Nietzsche, Machievelli, Crowley, Sun Wu, Talcott Parsons etc etc etc have all voiced your opinions before you. I would argue it is their view that is simple. Nietzsche certainly couldn't live by it and his ideas lead to many atrocities. Interestingly enough my sig is based on a comic based on The Coming of the Overman. What a load of tripe.
For you Bardock
Die Vereine „Bunt statt Braun“ sowie „Gegen Vergessen – Für Demokratie“ laden für den 4. Mai ab 17 Uhr ins historische Wolgaster Rathaus ein. Hier wird die Ausstellung „Holocaust im Comic“ eröffnet, die vom 5. bis 13. Mai zu sehen sein wird.
Hinter der zunächst unpassend scheinenden Verknüpfung von Holocaust und Comic steht die sehr ernsthafte Auseinandersetzung mit der Historie der massenhaften Tötung von Juden sowie mit verstecktem und offenem Antisemitismus in heutigen Comics. Dabei wird unter anderem der Frage nachgegangen, wie weit schwarzer Humor eigentlich gehen darf.
Nice simple ideas man
Yes there were atrocities because of Nietzsche but he didn't intend that...that were only people misinterpret him if you read him you should know that...he never meant ti to be that way the Nazis thought of it.
And he said there are no real morqalsa but the "Übermensch" should decide for himself to have morals ....and he's noit meant to opress people he leads them because they are to weak or stupid to do it for themselves...Nietzsche has got good points and no idiot abusing his teachings will change that he's right to an extend.
The hour when ye say: "What good is my happiness! It is poverty and pollution and wretched self-complacency. But my happiness should justify existence itself!"
The hour when ye say: "What good is my reason! Doth it long for knowledge as the lion for his food? It is poverty and pollution and wretched self-complacency!"
The hour when ye say: "What good is my virtue! As yet it hath not made me passionate. How weary I am of my good and my bad! It is all poverty and pollution and wretched self-complacency!"
The hour when ye say: "What good is my justice! I do not see that I am fervour and fuel. The just, however, are fervour and fuel!"
The hour when we say: "What good is my pity! Is not pity the cross on which he is nailed who loveth man? But my pity is not a crucifixion." Have ye ever spoken thus? Have ye ever cried thus? Ah! would that I had heard you crying thus!
It is not your sin- it is your self-satisfaction that crieth unto heaven; your very sparingness in sin crieth unto heaven!
Where is the lightning to lick you with its tongue? Where is the frenzy with which ye should be inoculated?
Lo, I teach you the Superman: he is that lightning, he is that frenzy!
It speaks to me of self superiority and self interest, its meaning is clear and it led to the deaths of many jews and many of my people the Roma.
even as I stated earlier Nietzsche could not live by it:
Upon witnessing a horse being whipped by a coachman at the Piazza Carlo Alberto, Nietzsche threw his arms around the horse's neck and collapsed, never to return to full sanity.
Compassion ruled him also in the end.
Originally posted by whirlysplat
Or they cry for the waste of human life, the shattered lives, the lost love and opportunities, they simply cry because they are human and they care......................
Let me explain what I mean.
I also cried for the 9/11 ppl who died, and also for those who didn't die, but lost their loved ones.
And while I was crying, I asked myself why I was doing that. Answer: Because I thought of the hundred ppl who had lost their lives, I thought of the pain their beloved ones would feel and I realised that I unawarely was imagining myself as one of them.
And that is what I'm trying to say. Ppl feel pitty just when they think of things as related to themselves. I imagined myself as one of them: that is what made me cry...I think.
I don't know if I've made my point. It's a bit complicated. I"m not saying that feelings like pitty and compassion don't exits, but just that ppl cannot feel them if they don't imagine the situation as (closely) related to themselves.
Nietzsche, having spent his whole life stubbornly preaching the merits of what he called the will to power, stepped outside his Turin apartment one fine day to see a horse being beaten by its carriage driver. He cracked. Nietzsche threw himself between the driver and the horse, and he wrapped his arms around the horse, whispering in consoling tones.
Here's where it gets sketchy. Some people believe Nietzsche uttered one thing in this intimate moment with the horse (e.g., "Sing me a new song! The World is transformed, and all the Heavens sing for joy!"😉, some people say he said something else, and some people say he never spoke a word again. This third claim can be discarded, as there are still records available of letters Nietzsche wrote and conversations he had after being admitted to the asylum where he'd die after 11 years of largely incoherent madness; these letters are curious reads, but only because the guy is nutty as a fruitcake, and not because he's continuing to make a contribution to the fields of philosophy or philology.
As if these details weren't sketchy enough, there are many medical professionals/historians who believe that Nietzsche actually faked his affliction. There is even a conspiracy theory about his sister Elizabeth "setting the whole thing up" in an attempt to discredit him. While this is clearly ludicrous, it does serve to illustrate the reaction of the many devoted followers of the philosopher, who perceived the tale of his breakdown as a compromise of the strength he had preached.
What is more harmful than any vice? - Active sympathy for the ill-constituted and weak - Nietzsche
and in rebuttle
This is an old quote now common on the net
I would ask Nietzsche, What is a more explicit manifestation of weakness than to deny the receptiveness of the human mind to the world, to deny one's knowledge of the suffering of the horse, because one cannot handle it? Sympathy is no contemptible choice, it is neither contemptible nor choice, but rather a natural reflex of one's humanity, a receptiveness to the world that exists in all humankind, though he may try and fail to curtail or deny it. It is in such a way that humanity is connected to all the things it comprehends. And more sad and limiting than any other vice is it to deny what one necessarily feels because one is either too terrified of the truth or too weak to know and deal with the suffering of the horse, the suffering a human being vicariously endures proportionate to his knowledge of it.
Humanity pays for the fire of comprehension it has stolen from the gods by enduring the pain of all horses, by having access to all suffering. So Nietzsche vehemently denied; so Nietszche learned.
To omit sympathy from one's repetoire of feeling is to deny to understand. Nietzsche paid for his hubris.
No we should not bomb anyone
Originally posted by piccola_nuvola
Let me explain what I mean.I also cried for the 9/11 ppl who died, and also for those who didn't die, but lost their loved ones.
And while I was crying, I asked myself why I was doing that. Answer: Because I thought of the hundred ppl who had lost their lives, I thought of the pain their beloved ones would feel and I realised that I unawarely was imagining myself as one of them.
And that is what I'm trying to say. Ppl feel pitty just when they think of things as related to themselves. I imagined myself as one of them: that is what made me cry...I think.I don't know if I've made my point. It's a bit complicated. I"m not saying that feelings like pitty and compassion don't exits, but just that ppl cannot feel them if they don't imagine the situation as (closely) related to themselves.
You are right those emotions exist... But they are all as selfish as any other emotion we have. Nothing we do is for other people
Originally posted by Fishy
You are right those emotions exist... But they are all as selfish as any other emotion we have. Nothing we do is for other people
Indeed.....also this is getting off topic...lets use Whirlys other thread to talk aboot that......
Back t A-Bombing this poor nation raped by the US....