Originally posted by whirlysplat
Your eyes maybe open but your heart is closed, I pity you
You may if it makes you feel better....you don't have to though...I feel better knowing what is up with humans.....they are not altruistic...they are animals...granted complicated animals...but no more.....
And my heart is not closed...I can feel ....I can pity...I can be happy......
Originally posted by piccola_nuvola
Maybe that's irrelevant, but I agree with Bardock.Everything ppl do is aimed to make them feel good. Going to the church, making charity, eating, working, making money, having sex...
Even posting in this forum, expressing your opinion...doesn't it make you feel good?
Absolutely....
Originally posted by whirlysplat
I am not rligious but i feel we have a duty to each other. I think this idea people do only for gain shows you would not be much of a team player😄
You are a rather simple one, are you not?
No, this idea of gain actually makes us "Team Players" we need help to get as much as possible......and this duty you talk of, we got that from society...we are practically brainwashed...we get told that all the time....we should feel for others...and because it gets repeated again and again we feel bad to not act according to this ideals....
you think believing in helping others makes me simple, okey, some of what you stated is true with some people they push themselves forward, in team situations, as in work these people are usually the worst to be in charge and their me, me, me attitude usually creates more resentment than it solves. These people are not team players because the "me" will aways conflict with the "us" eventually.
Again your simplicity breags through....no not because you believe that I think you are simple...but because you take what I say...and draw your own flawed conclusions from that, instead of for once listen to what I say.......
Anyways for what you said, yes those people exist, but they are abnormal...the normal person knows that it will achieve more with a group...well the right group...that's how groups start to exist in the first place.
Lets take the easiest scenarion....two relatively cavemen meet each other in the prehistoric world....they both don't really want to die, and know if they meet a stronger cavemen he might just kill them and take all there T-Rex meat....so they agree to form a group...they add there strength together and don't have to fear to get killed that easily anymore...even more they can hunt together and achievve more...since they are only two they only agree ion some basic ruls ("I don't kill you" "I don't steal from you"😉 but when societies get larger they need more rules...and they use so called "morals" they tell there kids from the beginnign of their life to make sure that they will not break those rules...of course it still happensd but not as much...and that's where this wrong feeling of "morals" comes from...not cause there is really some right or wrong...or because someoone really cares....no just because everyone gets brainwashed from beginnign of their life.
I think a lot of people do care. Yes people achieve more in groups, yes we have laws and codes to protect the individual and the group. I think these are in place because f the "abnormals" as you call them. I am old enough to have lived in England at the time of Thatcher and be en old enough then (yes I am in my thirties) to have seen the damage the "me" ideology has caused to society.
I choose operation penny drop..
Originally posted by whirlysplat
Well if I am tell nelson Mandella his a fool, anyone who becomes a Doctor oe Nurse they are a fool, teachers etc they are all fools.Sorry I don't think compassion is foolish.
And with this said....I agree with you....There are many people in my life who've i've helped and it's been a couple years since then and i still think of them from day to day wondering if they are alright,i don't find it foolish at all, people trying to help the africans from HIV and AIDS isn't foolish, nor do i think that trying to care for others or feeling bad after they die is foolish, although i didn't know any of the people at the 9/11 attacks i still cried for those that died and those that lost loved ones, i mean common, you can not say that is foolish because untill this day i know alot of people feel bad and probably will continue to feel bad and care for those families for years to come...I'm with you Whirly, I honestly truly agree...
Originally posted by Bardock42
If you are joking...ok...if you are serious....NO....wrong......you are lying to yourself my friened...you do it cause you want..its that easy.....you don't do it for others...although I can't see why you do it, its not altruism....
Why can't you simply accept the fact that there are actually still nice caring compassionate people out there that do good for others not for money or for something but for the others that they are helping...There are a few good people in this world believe it or not...
Originally posted by whirlysplat
I think a lot of people do care. Yes people achieve more in groups, yes we have laws and codes to protect the individual and the group. I think these are in place because f the "abnormals" as you call them. I am old enough to have lived in England at the time of Thatcher and be en old enough then (yes I am in my thirties) to have seen the damage the "me" ideology has caused to society.
Haha..you mean how Thatcher helped your country becoming the great nation it is now......🙄
Originally posted by FeceMan
Bardock, I *want* to help them. I won't hate doing it, but I will enjoy it and not for the "feeling good". I love dentistry.
Ok then you do it because you love dentistry but you do it because you think its the right thing...not because you really care for others....
Originally posted by AdventChild
Why can't you simply accept the fact that there are actually still nice caring compassionate people out there that do good for others not for money or for something but for the others that they are helping...There are a few good people in this world believe it or not...
Casue I can't lie to myself...I tried it...didn't work out...and you have to stop linking "not caring" with being bad......its just what humands do...all of thm..they think aboot themselves.....and that is absolutely ok.....what whirly is talking aboot this "me" mentality that is just an extreme...and in the liong run not very helpful form of what humans really think.
The fact that you praise it so much that this "caring" for others is supposed to be something great, alone is enough to see it as selfish......this word "selfish" is seen to negative nowqadays...because in the extreme it is really unhealthy but in fact it is the state of mind of every single human on the earth.....
Show me someone who thinks he has done an unselfish deed and I show you someone that lies to himself.....
Originally posted by AdventChild
And with this said....I agree with you....There are many people in my life who've i've helped and it's been a couple years since then and i still think of them from day to day wondering if they are alright,i don't find it foolish at all, people trying to help the africans from HIV and AIDS isn't foolish, nor do i think that trying to care for others or feeling bad after they die is foolish, although i didn't know any of the people at the 9/11 attacks i still cried for those that died and those that lost loved ones, i mean common, you can not say that is foolish because untill this day i know alot of people feel bad and probably will continue to feel bad and care for those families for years to come...I'm with you Whirly, I honestly truly agree...
Get this..I never said this was foolish...never......that's ok if you want to do that fine (honestly I believe you can't act differrent) but you have this feeling because you were raised with it....you get told everyday when others die its sad.....maybe you have this feeling because in the Human nature we got told over the years that if others die it is bad casuse it weakens us...possible...but you don't cry for them because you give a shit aboot them...you cry because that is the thing you think you are supposed to do.....,
Originally posted by Bardock42
...but you don't cry for them because you give a shit aboot them...you cry because that is the thing you think you are supposed to do.....,
Or maybe ppl cry in this cases thinking that it might have happened to them...or thinking that one day they will die too. Other ppl's death remind them of their own.