Watching the news last night I notice something interesting. During WWII those tunnels were used for refuge when the Nazi's planes bomb London during the war. It seems some of those tunnels had a piece of history in them. They were even showing pictures of people inside taking refuge from the bombs.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Does anyone besides me think that Galloway's comment wasn't THAT untrue?"London is paying the price for Tony Blair making us a terrorist target".
I think that's pretty damn accurate to be honest.
-AC
Of course it is.
I said it the day we joined in this farce. Blair may as well have just slapped a big bullseye on the UK.
The fact that we kept the man in power for another term probably fuelled the terrorists disgust with the people of Britain too.
Originally posted by Red Superflyi'm trying to make sense of that post tbh....
Of course it is.I said it the day we joined in this farce. Blair may as well have just slapped a big bullseye on the UK.
The fact that we kept the man in power for another term probably fuelled the terrorists disgust with the people of Britain too.
i'm not fond of the iraq debacle myself but, your post is suggesting that had Blair done what you felt to be the right thing e.g. staying out of iraq in the first place, then the UK would not be on the terrorist's crosshairs....that's a bit naive don't you think?
better to turn a blind eye and hope it goes away is what you would rather do....
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, because it's a stupid question isn't it?-AC
I don't ask stupid questions....but with a deficient mind set one might think it that way.
The point is there is nothing anyone can do....It's part of their core belief system to do the things they do and as I've said it before, it's been going on for centuries.....It only global now...they've only expanded what they've always done.....
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You asked "So should all countries turn a blind eye and let the terrorists do what they want?"It's a stupid question because the obvious answer is no.
End of story.
-AC
Well it seems reading some of these posts that we should do nothing at all....don't do anything to provoke them.....let them have their way in what ever they want......But hey, I'm for the US staying out of everybodeis business like Thomas Jefferson said......
So, if a country is calling for some help or back up maybe we should all just have a beer and what it on TV and say...."Oh poor people, why don't they just shake hands and be friends, oh and pass the pop corn."
Originally posted by Fëanor
i'm trying to make sense of that post tbh....i'm not fond of the iraq debacle myself but, your post is suggesting that had Blair done what you felt to be the right thing e.g. staying out of iraq in the first place, then the UK would not be on the terrorist's crosshairs....that's a bit naive don't you think?
better to turn a blind eye and hope it goes away is what you would rather do....
No. I just wasn't clear enough.
We don't know if we would have been targetted. Things didn't play out that way, so we'll never know what way things would have turned out. We were a likely target, but we kinda pushed to the front of the queue by going to war.
Getting the UK directly involved was like saying "Ok, us next".
That's what I feel anyway. You are welcome to try and sway my opinion because I don't consider myself an expert on the matter.
Whoever said personal freedom is worth dying for: Hahahaha.
in a way thats right and in a way its wrong
on a personal level, soldiers(at least the many who i speak to), dont fight for higher purposes such as country or god or freedom or blah blah whatever...they fight for their mates who are fighting with them
but on a larger scale then many fights are for freedom and people are willing to die for it...countless of millions of people gave their lives for that very purpose in many different wars throughout history
We don't know if we would have been targetted. Things didn't play out that way, so we'll never know what way things would have turned out. We were a likely target, but we kinda pushed to the front of the queue by going to war.
so basically you'd like to think that it's someone elses problem?
i think thats a dangerous way for nations to think...god forbid we would act the same if the likes of al qaeda were the army of a powerful nation trying to impose extremism on others
again i will go back to the point that al qaeda are not merely reacting to our part in the wars in iraq and afghanistan...they would kill you regardless...hence their attacks initially in Somalia against americans...they are also responsible for the bombing assasinations of politicians in Algeria..the torture and assasination Anwar Sadat...the Egyptian president...then attacks on the USS Cole as well as attacks in Bali, Turkey
their ideology is to drive all western interests from all Arab and middle eastern countries as well as to unite all Arabs, by force, under a single nation who follow the caliphs..see below
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/politics/firstfourcaliphs.html
so no...staying out of it wont make us immune from their sick and twisted form of islam...their hate and their determination to kill...they believe that merely because you vote then you deserve to die
so my question is..if not with force...how do you fight against it?
a couple of pages ago i mentioned preventing the other reasons that intice hatred of the west...ending poverty
I don't think you'll ever get rid of Terroists, theres always gonna be some nutters out there. But ending poverty is a good thing to do no matter what, yet some peolpe will just see it as interfereing. As for some one saying thank god this isn't another 9/11 well it would of been if it wasn't for the brillant reaction of our Emergency services so well done to them.
Also, I'd just like to point out I never said what I think is RIGHT OR WRONG.
I just said we made ourselves a bigger target.
I personally believe something had to be done, whether we were made a target or not.
I like Team America anology.
"We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get f*cked by dicks. But dicks also f*ck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can f*ck an @sshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they f*ck too much or f*ck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us f*ck this @*******, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit! "
Originally posted by Red SuperflyCan you really say that thous people on the buses and trains made them selfs target? What had they actully done? Nothing thats what, none of them people had anything to do with what had happened in the Middle East. If these people had a problem the could of done something a number of better ways that didn't involve killing innocents. These people who do this are just scum and they're only weapon is fear but it won't work we are Great British and won't bow down to bullies
Also, I'd just like to point out I never said what I think is RIGHT OR WRONG.I just said we made ourselves a bigger target.
I personally believe something had to be done, whether we were made a target or not.
I like Team America anology.
"We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get f*cked by dicks. But dicks also f*ck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can f*ck an @sshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they f*ck too much or f*ck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us f*ck this @*******, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit! "