Originally posted by M Hoshi 89
yeah , ryu can teleport , faster than gouki since he is not using the dark hadou.I never seen wolverine dodge a bullet like ryu does.And spiderman martial artist opponents are like worms im comparisson to ryus power.All the three of them are nothing compared to what ryu have faced until now
ummm ryu can't teleport....😕
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
He's still their rivals sure enough. He has surpassed bison at his max, and you said ken has defeated akuma alone. So much for your credibility.
he WILL surpass bison...he hasn't reached his max....I did say that ken defeated akuma..i was making a point about ken and ryu being near equals...or on par...the akuma in that series was significantly weaker than the examples you want to use though...how is using things that have taken place losing my credibility....it ain't that's how...
wolverine is rivals with hulk what's your point?
Originally posted by jinzin
he WILL surpass bison...he hasn't reached his max....I did say that ken defeated akuma..i was making a point about ken and ryu being near equals...or on par...the akuma in that series was significantly weaker than the examples you want to use though...how is using things that have taken place losing my credibility....it ain't that's how...wolverine is rivals with hulk what's your point?
Wolverine is in no way a rival with hulk.
You are downplaying these guys severly.
Guys strong enough to break mountains, with better fighting skills, losing that easily.
Terry beat God of Mars, a being made of pure energy, and he is no way on par with ryu. Those guys can't handle god of mars.
I'd love to see how they are actually defeating ryu.
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Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You said it yourself, he concentrates to hit harder, so even though he is weaker, don't go back on what you said.Faster then them.
Better awareness, not better than spiderman in some senses, Ryu trains day to day, and can alter his chi and has superhuman awareness in fights.
Slade has no precog.
And logans senses have no advantage over spidermans, they aren't near there at all. They have nothing to do with a fight. Where'd you make that up?Distance attack, can hit fine, ryu in his prime EASILY fires the hadoken, and it would slaughter wolveirne, who you claim it won't hurt.
HELL NO!! That blast isn't concussive, like cyclops, and hurts a hell of a lot more.
Better fighter yep. Ryu is a PRODIGY, he trains his ass off day after day, and he does this all the time,facing foes consistently the others cannot even handle.
You've already agreed, why are you even arguing?
also just pointing something out here, ryu can concentrate to hit that hard for a time, but it wears on him and his energy, that said, all of the other three guys can hit with previously mentioned force consistantly without causing extra wear on themselves in any way aside from normal fatigue....
awareness....due to the hado force it helps him against spiderman cause spiderman's an in and out fighter....deathstroke can shoot impulse ryu doesn't move as fast as impulse hence deathstroke can shoot ryu....wolverine can simply steamroll his way forward...like balrog did...only with claws, we can kiss ryu goodbye.....
How will an attack that's significantly weaker than a hulk hit slaughter wolverine? how can two characters with precog or near precog not avoid a blast that a battered and beaten ryu litterally rolled out of the way of?
wolverine proved his senses to be near spiderman's when they caught incoming missles a split second after spiderman's spider sense caught them, but before iron man's armor could detect them...
how can a blast that does less damage than cyclop's hurt a hell of a lot more? especially when a bunch of normal humans have survived the same attack?
I said ryu's fighting skills are legendary....wolverine is known as a warrior of legend in the future
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolverine is in no way a rival with hulk.You are downplaying these guys severly.
Guys strong enough to break mountains, with better fighting skills, losing that easily.
Terry beat God of Mars, a being made of pure energy, and he is no way on par with ryu. Those guys can't handle god of mars.
I'd love to see how they are actually defeating ryu.
wait did you seriously just compare terry to ryu?
Originally posted by jinzin
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I did say that ryu hits with more power, it's true...but after futher assessment I'm contemplating my original conclussion....ryu's best punch has leveled a steel door, spiderman's done that, slade's knocked wonder woman 20 feet back, and wolverine's punches took down a class 40-70 character.....I'm undecided again, hence, "debateable"
Ryu was in a fight with akuma that punched a mountain in!! Thats the strength I'm arguing, not door bending.
Originally posted by jinzin
also just pointing something out here, ryu can concentrate to hit that hard for a time, but it wears on him and his energy, that said, all of the other three guys can hit with previously mentioned force consistantly without causing extra wear on themselves in any way aside from normal fatigue....
They can hit hard and do these attacks very quickly at their best.
Originally posted by jinzin
awareness....due to the hado force it helps him against spiderman cause spiderman's an in and out fighter....deathstroke can shoot impulse ryu doesn't move as fast as impulse hence deathstroke can shoot ryu....wolverine can simply steamroll his way forward...like balrog did...only with claws, we can kiss ryu goodbye.....
Ryu can avoid a shotgun blast, vega has claws ryu dodges those fine. Ryu is a better counter attacker than Spiderman and Wolverine, Wolveirne steamrollers into a shoryuken, putting him down.
Sppiderman isn't dodging the tatsumaki, it sucks him in, IF he gets near.
Originally posted by jinzin
How will an attack that's significantly weaker than a hulk hit slaughter wolverine? how can two characters with precog or near precog not avoid a blast that a battered and beaten ryu litterally rolled out of the way of?
Do they know ryu and his attacks, no. Wolverine is not on par to take a lot of hits from the hulk, that ryu could deliver in a faster AND more efficient manner, HE is the better fighter, wolverine's skeleton would be obsolete, he has the least chance.
Ryu can fire off those beams fast enough to attack logan, and logan isn't the dodging type.
Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine proved his senses to be near spiderman's when they caught incoming missles a split second after spiderman's spider sense caught them, but before iron man's armor could detect them...
Wolverine's senses prove him little in a hand2 hand fight this fast, why would he be sensing? He's right there in the open.
Originally posted by jinzin
how can a blast that does less damage than cyclop's hurt a hell of a lot more? especially when a bunch of normal humans have survived the same attack?
It doesn't, ryu's blast has gone through tidal waves, and unlike cyclops it goes on a straight path. Use his powerup versions of these moves, and they're toast with one hit.
Originally posted by jinzinI said ryu's fighting skills are legendary....wolverine is known as a warrior of legend in the future
Wolverine isn't near the fighter of ryu, and he doesn't apply it like batman. Ryu's application>>>> batman.
"Ryu was in a fight with akuma that punched a mountain in!! Thats the strength I'm arguing, not door bending."
when? and who punched the mountain?
<<<"They can hit hard and do these attacks very quickly at their best.">>>
ryu's not at his best (potential) so he can't....point is moot.
<<<"Ryu can avoid a shotgun blast, vega has claws ryu dodges those fine. Ryu is a better counter attacker than Spiderman and Wolverine, Wolveirne steamrollers into a shoryuken, putting him down.">>>
so ryu's faster than impulse? now I can only assume you tp be making crap up...ryu's never fought vega....ken certainly can't dodge them, and he's tried.....and tried.....a hulk uppercut couldn't put logan away but a ryu one can?
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<<<"Spiderman isn't dodging the tatsumaki, it sucks him in, IF he gets near.">>>
since when is that attack proven to be THAT powerful?
<<<Do they know ryu and his attacks, no. Wolverine is not on par to take a lot of hits from the hulk, that ryu could deliver in a faster AND more efficient manner, HE is the better fighter, wolverine's skeleton would be obsolete, he has the least chance.>>>
give me an explaination why his skeleton would be obsolete.....
<<<Ryu can fire off those beams fast enough to attack logan, and logan isn't the dodging type.>>>
if ryu's shootin em off that fast he's not powering up, hence not doing the maximum amount of damage, hence getting killed cause he can't put wolvie down...
<<<"Wolverine's senses prove him little in a hand2 hand fight this fast, why would he be sensing? He's right there in the open.">>>
it's not exactly like he can turn his senses off....(I dunno maybe he can with his ninja training, but I've never seen it.).....and ummm actually his senses help him a ton in h2h when fighting multiple opponents...
<<<"It doesn't, ryu's blast has gone through tidal waves, and unlike cyclops it goes on a straight path. Use his powerup versions of these moves, and they're toast with one hit.">>>
it went through a tital wave after he had been concnetrating his power for the duration of a night, cyclops leveled a forest in one panal.....no powerup whatsoever. and yes cyclops can shoot it in a straight line...
<<<"Wolverine isn't near the fighter of ryu, and he doesn't apply it like batman. Ryu's application>>>> batman. ">>>>
ummm wrong and wrong....batman always uses aplication but he doesn't use his chi to the extent that ryu does...fighting application is equal...wolverine being one of the best h2h fighters in marvel definietly falls into this cateory as well..and he does apply it..just cause you don't think he does doesn't make it so, how would you even know? you don't read the books...😕
Originally posted by jinzin[QUOTE=4485022]Originally posted by jinzin
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ryu's not at his best (potential) so he can't....point is moot.
This wasn't a potential match, where he and akuma fought on an island, what are you talking about.
The ryu that was in the fight that oblierated mountains wins this, he can tell enemy motions better as well. He can tell a new attack better than those three can.
They lack the total package, period.
Originally posted by jinzin
so ryu's faster than impulse? now I can only assume you tp be making crap up...ryu's never fought vega....ken certainly can't dodge them, and he's tried.....and tried.....a hulk uppercut couldn't put logan away but a ryu one can?
I knew you were going to use a poor hulk argument to help you.
DD used technique to put wolveirne down, you said so yourself, ryu has far superior technique.
Originally posted by jinzin
since when is that attack proven to be THAT powerful?
Ryu's tatsumaki at a better level, has been shown to suck in nearby oppponents, are you talking about the stationary, or the moving one?
Originally posted by jinzin
give me an explaination why his skeleton would be obsolete.....
Because again, ryu knows vital spots, his skeleton kinda works against him in some instances, that need not be the case.
Originally posted by jinzin
if ryu's shootin em off that fast he's not powering up, hence not doing the maximum amount of damage, hence getting killed cause he can't put wolvie down...
Wolverine can be put down fine his blasts arent' concussive, he has to take time and heal, why don't you realize this.
Originally posted by jinzin
it's not exactly like he can turn his senses off....(I dunno maybe he can with his ninja training, but I've never seen it.).....and ummm actually his senses help him a ton in h2h when fighting multiple opponents...
He has no use for it here. Sniffing a beating? Thats about it.
Originally posted by jinzin
it went through a tital wave after he had been concnetrating his power for the duration of a night, cyclops leveled a forest in one panal.....no powerup whatsoever. and yes cyclops can shoot it in a straight line...
Yep he can, but ryu's shin versions of the same techniques are devastating, and he didn't concentrate if for the night, in fact he shot it several times.
Originally posted by jinzin
ummm wrong and wrong....batman always uses aplication but he doesn't use his chi to the extent that ryu does...fighting application is equal...wolverine being one of the best h2h fighters in marvel definietly falls into this cateory as well..and he does apply it..just cause you don't think he does doesn't make it so, how would you even know? you don't read the books...😕
Batman uses application, because HE HAS TO!! Wolverine doesn't need to and charges head on.
Spiderman hand to hand fightes better, becuase his superioririty in physique makes up for that, batman doesn't have chi so thats just as bad.
I've been over all of this, and the fact that I'm reading volume10, cry wolf at the moment. An assumption.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
The hadoken isn't his strongest attack, nor is it his only attack. You know little about ryu, he is the best fighter here bar none. He attacks faster, hits harder, and has superhuman awareness. He does this every day and trains and trains. He fought people like bison, these two and DS with no prep are pushover.
Actually the Hadouken is his best strongest attack because it can destroy a building, but it's not his only attack. And you know nothing of Spidey, DS, and Wolvie either. He does not attack faster and he can't hit harder than those 3. And about superhuman awareness the three are way ahead of Ryu. And judging by the logic you are using, Spidey, Wolvie, and DS has fought much better, stronger and faster opponents than Ryu, like Wonder Woman, Thor, Hulk, Thanos, Dr.Doom, Green Lantern and Aquaman.
And you didn't answer my question yesterday, where are you basing your evidence from, you say it's not the weaker Ryu(Comics Ryu) and you say it's not SVC and SF3rdstrike because it's a game and it's not from the SF Animated Series either because there's not a single episode where Ryu destroy's a mountain. And it's not the SF Alpha Movie either because there's no scene where Ryu destroyed a mountain there.
(Then you will tell me, you know nothing of the characters but infact I know alot of them and it is you who can't show a reliable source not even a single comic scan, I know that you will flame me again after you read this post)
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yep he can, but ryu's shin versions of the same techniques are devastating, and he didn't concentrate if for the night, in fact he shot it several times.
That explains everything, you are mixing up all the "versions" of Ryu which means it's PIS and CIS.
And that explains that you are not capable of defending just one version of Ryu. Because you know he would lose so you are merging all of his feats into one.
And about the SF Series, In the night, Ryu concentrated, and his hands moving like a circle form and absorbing the chi energy, and it takes very long just to fire that Hadouken.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I never used the SvC, dvampire said it was in my sig, he's pulling straws and he doesn't even know who to pull them with.*sigh*
This is from page 24 of this thread.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yes, when they were teens, they had already performed superhuman feats.Terry bogard beat god of mars, terry can't hold a candle to ryu.
God of mars is a being of pure energy, that would wipe the floor with these three, this match is obsolete.
And this is on page 37 of this thread.
This is another evidence that you are not thinking clearly and you are not in your proper mind when you enter on this debate.
You even humiliated dvampire because you say you won't use SVC and after you are losing you will use SVC. This clearly shows that you have a serious brain problem and is suffering from a case of split personalities.(CorderaMitchell vs CorderaMitchell)
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Ok, Thats enough.... This apparently is no longer a debate.....
Cordera, I consider you a friend dude, but there's no way your going to win this debate, same goes for you Paeng... I already stated my oppinions about 17 pages ago, so I suggest that you move off of the "Comparing feats" debate and move onto the actual battle scenario.
Now I'd hate to sound like a party pooper, but there are a FEW scenarios in which Ryu can win and this is probably why Codera is still arguing his case, IT IS POSSABLE FOR RYU TO BEAT THESE GUYS. However it does require a few conditions to be met. Firstly. he has to be able to hit his opponent with a technique that stuns his opponent long enough for him to power up and land a hit with his Shinkuu Hadouken (In the case of DS and Wolvie, This will only result in a KO, but thats still a win), And in spiderman's case, Ryu has to be able to land a Shin Shoryuken (Another KO, but Meh who's complaining?)
Ryu simply doesn't have as many options as the 3 marvel characters, I think that's what Paeng is getting at, he never argued that this wouldn't be a challenge, nor did he argue that Ryu had absolutely no chance of winning, he just said that his chances where slimmer than some of the opponents they have faces before... so Cordera, Hoshi, Start figuring out some battle senarios that would enable ryu to win instead of arguing over compared feats...
Besides, you'll find it much more enjoyable challenging stronger opponents, since that is what Ryu thrives on. 😉