Originally posted by jrodslam
I agree with pretty much all you said EvilCap, but this is the 3 vs Strange alone. Fate alone has a chance to beat Srtange. Combined with Zatanna and Witchie, Strange loses bad.I also agree about the HoM thing as well. Dam you Marvel!
what are fate's power?
<<no he dosent......i want to see any of them attack DEATH itself.....>>
dude, ANYONE could attack death! his attack did NOTHING. death got up and laughed at him. he knocked galactus down - again, so? g didn't even hit the ground. long loves strange, but i think he is a tad overrated here. these 3 would CERTAINLY beat him. (after all, enchantress and the executioner had him beat . . .)
and kg, he's got major energy control, matter manipulation, can create energy constructs a la green lantern. he's stronger than strange and can take a lot of punishment. over the years he has evolved into strange's counterpart in dc and is usually considered roughly strange's equal. he's even got and amulet and (last i checked) a creepy house with loads of books! a well written fate could definitely tackle strange alone and have a chance to win.
and no, he doesn't get power from demons - it all stems from his helmet, from nabu, a lord of order (which by the way seem to resemble in part the vishanti). fate's a force of balance, more than good though. i also think hector himself knows some basic magic stuff even without the helmet.
Originally posted by leonidas
and kg, he's got major energy control, matter manipulation, can create energy constructs a la green lantern. he's stronger than strange and can take a lot of punishment. over the years he has evolved into strange's counterpart in dc and is usually considered roughly strange's equal. he's even got and amulet and (last i checked) a creepy house with loads of books! a well written fate could definitely tackle strange alone and have a chance to win.and no, he doesn't get power from demons - it all stems from his helmet, from nabu, a lord of order (which by the way seem to resemble in part the vishanti). fate's a force of balance, more than good though. i also think hector himself knows some basic magic stuff even without the helmet. [/B]
Stonger that Strange you mean in hand to hand?
i don't know much about Fate , but can he take on say JLA?
Originally posted by kgkg
i know he has the helmeti mean what can he do?
Fate can basically do the same things Strange can. I dont know every detaiol about him, but how Strange has cloak of levitation and eye of agamotto, Fate has the amulet of Anubis, cloak and helmet of Nabu.
I dont think Fate really uses the amulet because Nabu himself is treapped inside. Unless thats been changed.
From off the top of my head, i know Fate can cloak, jump dimentions, turn intangible, shoot magical bolts, super strength, invunerability, teleportation.
A main part of 'Sentinels of Magic' as well as "Lords of Order and Chaos"
The Lords of Chaos and Lords of Order are complementary groups of supernatural entities with godlike powers that appear in DC Comics, most notably as part of the back-story of Doctor Fate. They have also been retconned into the back-stories of Kid Eternity and Hawk and Dove.The two sides have been fighting for eons, but there is a whole cycle to it. First Order is dominant, then Chaos increases to become dominant then the end of everything and it starts all over. Originally, the fight was depicted as one between Good (Order) and Evil (Chaos); but these days neither side is shown to be all that positive: too much order is stagnation and too much chaos is anarchy.
Although they can take physical form by posessing a living being (as Nabu and Mordru have), they are really bundles of mystical energy who usually depend on servants such as Hawk and Dove or Kid Eternity to accomplish their goals.
The most prominent Lord of Order is Nabu, who for years was the power source for Dr. Fate. When Kent Nelson, the original Dr. Fate, put on the helmet, Nabu would take over and more or less be Dr. Fate. Originally, Dr. Fate was depicted as an agent for Order and thus for the forces of Good; since the standings of the sides were revised, it was revealed that Fate's role is intended to be as an agent of balance between order and chaos. (Nabu is named after a god from Babylonian mythology and in the DC Universe is perhaps meant to be one and the same.)
Mordru is probably the most prominent Lord of Chaos fated to survive even after the end of the universe, although he's usually shown as a powerful wizard fighting the Justice Society of America in the present and the Legion of Super-Heroes in the future. Presently he is trapped in the Rock of Eternity by Hector Hall, the present Dr. Fate, after his attempt at trying to cover the world in darkness with the assistance of Eclipso and Obsidian.
I dont know of any Fate feats however.
<<major energy control, matter manipulation, can create energy constructs -a la green lantern ---------------- you got any scans you can show me issue numbers>.
my dc books are at my brothers. i'll do some digging IF i ever get the damn things to my house! trust me, fate is a tough sum b!tch. he could take on the league, but i doubt he could beat them.
with prep, i still don't see strange winning. what can he do with prep? study spells? he knows most already. maybe with prep he puts 1, maybe 2 down before he falls (MAYBE!) but, imho he still can't win i don't think.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<major energy control, matter manipulation, can create energy constructs -a la green lantern ---------------- you got any scans you can show me issue numbers>.my dc books are at my brothers. i'll do some digging IF i ever get the damn things to my house! trust me, fate is a tough sum b!tch. he could take on the league, but i doubt he could beat them.
with prep, i still don't see strange winning. what can he do with prep? study spells? he knows most already. maybe with prep he puts 1, maybe 2 down before he falls (MAYBE!) but, imho he still can't win i don't think.
What can he do with strange do with Prep ? Anything Strange with prep , can trap powerful beings , unease great powers etc.
Strange has lots of balls : he has gone against Eternity , LT , Galactus , Mep , Dour etc
This wouldn't be a fight 3vs1 Strange with prep can invoke friggin millions of demons and hordes of oddities to fight with him.
Asking what Strange can do with prep is like asking what Doom can do with it, he can go from below herald to near omnipotence with enough prep.
He has protection spells(like the one he uses while he sleeps, it keeps him from being targeted by magical attacks) demon hordes under his control, illusions that can think for themselves, invoke eternity....the list goes on and on.
With prep, he can win this, not everytime but at most half at least 4/10.
About Zatanna, she is -potentially- very powerful, but right now, she's nothing. Her biggest feats aren't really her own feats, she used the power of others to do it...i.e the moon trick, the africa trick, the gotham city trick. And afterwards, she calapses in fatigue.
Zatanna may in the future be a magical powerhouse and able to caste spells without saying them, but now she can't. No matter what she says, obviously she can not do it very well if she keeps saying it backwards.
Remember when Slade punched her in the stomach? She couldn't do anything, why didn't she just caste him away? Cuz she can't yet.
Zatanna is dead the first second, so it'd be Fate and Wanda against an untouchable Strange and a few million demons. Hmmmmm....
Doesn't Fate lose his powers if his helmet comes off? Didn't Strange spank Wanda in the Avengers issue and mind wipe her while she struggled.