Neo-Nazis are just silly they think that they have the same values as Hitler but they dont his where to hhis country he did evil things yes but he did them for his country that is a man to be proud of.
Saying that i am not supporting what i did simply saying what he did was for his country,and a bit of revenge.
However Neo-Nazis are just thugs (BNP,NF,TNP,NS etc) and none of them are National Socialists.Just people who want to be assossiated with the war camps.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Sounds interesting and I can understand how they feel....I think you are talking aboot US soldiers (and other Allies) right?
Didn't a similiar thing happen in Vietnam that for many their life had lost the meaning. And I think for Veterans on the Ally side WWII is ion that way great as it is widely regarded as a "good" vs. "bad" war...which yopu can't really say of most other wars...
"good" vs. "bad" is crap. That's how it's portrayed. it was simply political interest vs. political interest.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Germany's have a very interesting history... They made a few mistakes... but so have many other... we can't hold it against them. For a relatively new formed county... (In comparison) it has done a lot.
Its not that others would hold it against us...but we urselves do....Patriotism like in the US is unthinkable in germany...although I agree we can be relatively proud of what was accomplishe in the last 60 years...not only Germany but whole Europe....and the US...
Originally posted by Grand Moff Gav,
Neo-Nazis are just silly they think that they have the same values as Hitler but they dont his where to hhis country he did evil things yes but he did them for his country that is a man to be proud of.Saying that i am not supporting what i did simply saying what he did was for his country,and a bit of revenge.
However Neo-Nazis are just thugs (BNP,NF,TNP,NS etc) and none of them are National Socialists.Just people who want to be assossiated with the war camps.
He had good timing, but he was pretty much an arrogant imbecile. Look at what happened to Rommell in Africa, or what happened in Russia. he was just a pathetic little man who had a f-d up life (read Mein Kampf ) and decided to take it out against the world, found the right political backup that got him where he had to get, then screwed it all up.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Bardock42Yeah it can be but, I also don't respect a person who would talk trash about their own country, except for certain nations/situations. I very patriotic towards America and Germany. I consider both my home though I've not lived in Germany for a great while. As for the 3rd Reich thing you can't hold that against todays germans. They know their history and I believe that any real patriot would not let Germany return to its way of the past.
well I personally am rather patriotic..I think wee have a great history...its just a touchy subject, patriotism in Germany could easily be linked to the Third Reich.....Hmm I didn't know that.....that's just silly though......
Originally posted by Bardock42
Its not that others would hold it against us...but we urselves do....Patriotism like in the US is unthinkable in germany...although I agree we can be relatively proud of what was accomplishe in the last 60 years...not only Germany but whole Europe....and the US...
Just don't be starting any more wars... 😛 jk
Britain has alot to be proud of in the form of the Empire BUT others feel the Empire (ruled the world for 300 years) did was terrible such as the massacre in India or the Boer war.
Germany has alot to be proud of also but just as with Britain people will view some of its (if not most) "achievements" as downright evil
Originally posted by Wickerman
"good" vs. "bad" is crap. That's how it's portrayed. it was simply political interest vs. political interest.~wickerman~
I agree as an absolute concept it is Bullshit...but if you ask 100 people nowadays which was the "good" and which the "bad" side 99 weill probaly answer Nazi Germany was the bad...I don't think there are many other wars you will get the same answer...
Originally posted by Wickerman
He had good timing, but he was pretty much an arrogant imbecile. Look at what happened to Rommell in Africa, or what happened in Russia. he was just a pathetic little man who had a f-d up life (read Mein Kampf ) and decided to take it out against the world, found the right political backup that got him where he had to get, then screwed it all up.~wickerman~
agree but he got a whole country going....he gave meaning to a poor country for some time...although he as a person was crazy...his politics (although some came from the prior chancellors) was what germany needed...up until the War (excluding anti Communst and Jews movements)
Originally posted by Grand Moff Gav,
Neo-Nazis are just silly they think that they have the same values as Hitler but they dont his where to hhis country he did evil things yes but he did them for his country that is a man to be proud of.Saying that i am not supporting what i did simply saying what he did was for his country,and a bit of revenge.
However Neo-Nazis are just thugs (BNP,NF,TNP,NS etc) and none of them are National Socialists.Just people who want to be assossiated with the war camps.
Yes you are right, but the problem still is that in the DDR it was never talked aboot WWII except to tell aboot the greatness of the USSR.....
Originally posted by Wickerman
He had good timing, but he was pretty much an arrogant imbecile. Look at what happened to Rommell in Africa, or what happened in Russia. he was just a pathetic little man who had a f-d up life (read Mein Kampf ) and decided to take it out against the world, found the right political backup that got him where he had to get, then screwed it all up.~wickerman~
yes poor Hitler crazed by his patriotism but he was a presence to say he was a pathetic little man is just ignorant he inspired the public to follow him but as far as military affairs go the little corporal was rubbish "Russia !!!!!!!!!!!! why invade why !!"
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Just don't be starting any more wars... 😛 jk
Originally posted by Grand Moff Gav,
Britain has alot to be proud of in the form of the Empire BUT others feel the Empire (ruled the world for 300 years) did was terrible such as the massacre in India or the Boer war.Germany has alot to be proud of also but just as with Britain people will view some of its (if not most) "achievements" as downright evil
Yes it always depends of the point of view.....although a lot of what germany did mostly in WWII but also before, would in the Germany nowadays not be considered as great
I am off though...talk to you later
Originally posted by Bardock42
I agree as an absolute concept it is Bullshit...but if you ask 100 people nowadays which was the "good" and which the "bad" side 99 weill probaly answer Nazi Germany was the bad...I don't think there are many other wars you will get the same answer...
that's because most of those 100 people don't know enough history/politics and they've been fed bullshit all their lives.
Originally posted by Bardock42
agree but he got a whole country going....he gave meaning to a poor country for some time...although he as a person was crazy...his politics (although some came from the prior chancellors) was what germany needed...up until the War (excluding anti Communst and Jews movements)
Wasn't too hard blaming the current (then) state of poverty on the Jews and promising retribution. I also remember reading a book written by a german....forgot the name now....that lived then, and was a soldier. He told in that book how both him, the other soldiers he was friends with and the people back home lost interest in the war after the first two years and weren't really supporting Hitler's views anymore....they just wanted everything to stop.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
that's because most of those 100 people don't know enough history/politics and they've been fed bullshit all their lives.Wasn't too hard blaming the current (then) state of poverty on the Jews and promising retribution. I also remember reading a book written by a german....forgot the name now....that lived then, and was a soldier. He told in that book how both him, the other soldiers he was friends with and the people back home lost interest in the war after the first two years and weren't really supporting Hitler's views anymore....they just wanted everything to stop.
~wickerman~
most people wanted the war to stop even hits gens
Originally posted by Grand Moff Gav,
yes poor Hitler crazed by his patriotism but he was a presence to say he was a pathetic little man is just ignorant he inspired the public to follow him but as far as military affairs go the little corporal was rubbish "Russia !!!!!!!!!!!! why invade why !!"
No, it's not ignorant, it's reality. He was exactly what the Queen is nowadays. A Public Relations puppet. Something for the non-intellectuals to look up to and admire. And the only reason he was loved at the beginning was the correct timing chosen for his uprising. If you check, you'll see that soon afterwards people just followed out of fear, not conviction ( The SS led by Himmler not included)
As for invading Russia during winter......he.was.a.moron.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Fionnuala
Okay....I may be totally missing the point of this last page but are you saying Hitler was someone to be admired?
Hitler was a great leader, and a wonderful public speaker... If he didn't have evil views of an Aryan race. Then yes I would say he would have been a man to admire... but since he didn't I believe he should not
Originally posted by §P0oONYOkay...I was just thinking that someone who orders the genocide of thousands of people is not someone to be admired 😬
Hitler was a great leader, and a wonderful public speaker... If he didn't have evil views of an Aryan race. Then yes I would say he would have been a man to admire... but since he didn't I believe he should not
Originally posted by Fionnuala
Okay....I may be totally missing the point of this last page but are you saying Hitler was someone to be admired?
Poor Eva tried and tried and tried, but good ol Al didn't want no booty ❌ . And THAT my friends is a fact.....let's admire his sexual constraint 👇 (yes, i'm being silly)
~wickerman~