Originally posted by whirlysplat
she knew him better than you or me🙂
true but we all know what he wrote it....and its pretty clear that he didn't mean it in any way like the Nazis did use it.....so why don't you quote the Bible where it has Inquisition quotes? .....or Darwin where he helped the Nazi View.....
Originally posted by whirlysplat
So you are more intelligent than Hitler 😕 I look forward to reading Bardock: My Struggle😄
So you are saying that what Stalin did to the Farmers (starved them to death) was all right?
^typical Whirly behaviour
To answer your question, no I don't think I am smarter than Hitler....most Historians and Philosophers nowadays agree that Hitler misinterpreted him....and Hitler didn't care he just took whatever made sense to use.....and Mein Kampf is one of the most horrible and stupid books ever...
Originally posted by Bardock42
So you are saying that what Stalin did to the Farmers (starved them to death) was all right?^typical Whirly behaviour
To answer your question, no I don't think I am smarter than Hitler....most Historians and Philosophers nowadays agree that Hitler misinterpreted him....and Hitler didn't care he just took whatever made sense to use.....and Mein Kampf is one of the most horrible and stupid books ever...
Typical Whirly behaviour 😕 uh huh..........OK..........😕 backs away slowly.
Some believe he misinterpreted him, others do not!
Where did I mention Stalin?
Bardock the book critic, it helped move a nation so whatever your feelings on content retrospectively, it was well written. 😄
Hitler was evil imo, maybe not in yours as good an evil are constructs to Nietzsche, but he was intelligent!
Originally posted by whirlysplat
Typical Whirly behaviour 😕 uh huh..........OK..........😕 backs away slowly.Some believe he misinterpreted him, others do not!
Where did I mention Stalin?
Bardock the book critic, it helped move a nation so whatever your feelings on content retrospectively, it was well written. 😄
Hitler was evil imo, maybe not in yours as good an evil are constructs to Nietzsche, but he was intelligent!
Yes you take statemeants out of context, misinterpret them...and try to make it look bad....instead of answering to points of the previous post...
No...most think he misinterpreted him...it is quite obvious...he basically just took the phrase Übermensch...he probably never read anything of Nietzsche...
Nowhere....just what you would do....you said: "So you think you are more intelligent than Hitler"...I never said that that is what pisses me off....either you misunderstood it or you do it on purpose either way pathtic way of debating....
It did not...most never read that...they were moved by Hitlers Speeches...his Promises...his Charisma..not his book (which is a load of crap) ...and that is also a known fact....hardly any Historian would doubt that.....
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes you take statemeants out of context, misinterpret them...and try to make it look bad....instead of answering to points of the previous post...No...most think he misinterpreted him...it is quite obvious...he basically just took the phrase Übermensch...he probably never read anything of Nietzsche...
Nowhere....just what you would do....you said: "So you think you are more intelligent than Hitler"...I never said that that is what pisses me off....either you misunderstood it or you do it on purpose either way pathtic way of debating....
It did not...most never read that...they were moved by Hitlers Speeches...his Promises...his Charisma..not his book (which is a load of crap) ...and that is also a known fact....hardly any Historian would doubt that.....
Please why the personal abuse my friend we are debating here take a step back, deep breath, relax.
Look you perceive Nieschze one way. I perceive him another only he knows which of us is right. If my posts are upsetting you that much I apologise. I offer no malice to you.
I am sorry you find the quotes I use out of context in your opinion, I showed you where I got the commentary and analysis I used from. So blame Shirer not me.
If I bother you that much please put me on ignore then you will not have to read my opinions. I thought we were debating. Not arguing. You raised Nietzsche about an issue which is emotive to me in my frame of reference, I understand Nietzsche would see this as weakness, but hell I think he talks bollocks. If you raise Nietzsche in the way you did you must expect the arguments I used brought up. I understand it is probably an emotive issue for you also proving Nietzsche talks bollocks.
Sorry if I upset you.
Originally posted by whirlysplat
Please why the personal abuse my friend we are debating here take a step back, deep breath, relax.Look you perceive Nieschze one way. I perceive him another only he knows which of us is right. If my posts are upsetting you that much I apologise. I offer no malice to you.
I am sorry you find the quotes I use out of context in your opinion, I showed you where I got the commentary and analysis I used from. So blame Shirer not me.
If I bother you that much please put me on ignore then you will not have to read my opinions. I thought we were debating. Not arguing. You raised Nietzsche about an issue which is emotive to me in my frame of reference, I understand Nietzsche would see this as weakness, but hell I think he talks bollocks. If you raise Nietzsche in the way you did you must expect the arguments I used brought up. I understand it is probably an emotive issue for you also proving Nietzsche talks bollocks.Sorry if I upset you.
It's unbelievable you did it again.....
MY "friend" I answered to Shirers opinion...he pretended that Nietzsche didn't live according to his Philosophy....this quite obviously was wrong and how someone that says such Bullshit can become Professor at Harvard amazes me.....anyways
I don't mind your opinion...I just never read any of it....all I read from you are quotes from people that didn't like Nietzsche...I would really like to hear your own opinion one day....
You don't bother me just one aspect of your "debating" tactics...which i found offensive because they are more of personal attacks...I don't like that...I prefer serious debates....
I never intended to argue for Nietzsche (I notice that I did but I didn't want to do that, although I find it offensicve how one of the greates german philosophers gets misinterpreted and linked with the biggest criminals ever)
I just said that I wasn't the only one having that view (Nietzsche, Hobbes, etc...), I realize that you know a lot against Nietzsche but this more aor less brought us off-topic because we were debating Nietzsche, not our own opinions.
I like Nietzsche this is true but I don't see why I have to be his advocate....he is right...but I prefer my own views
You didn't...if you felt like an emotinal upsetness this is just due to my dislike of getting my worxs twisted and perverted......I think I have that in common with poor Nietzsche
Originally posted by Bardock42
It's unbelievable you did it again.....MY "friend" I answered to Shirers opinion...he pretended that Nietzsche didn't live according to his Philosophy....this quite obviously was wrong and how someone that says such Bullshit can become Professor at Harvard amazes me.....anyways
I don't mind your opinion...I just never read any of it....all I read from you are quotes from people that didn't like Nietzsche...I would really like to hear your own opinion one day....
You don't bother me just one aspect of your "debating" tactics...which i found offensive because they are more of personal attacks...I don't like that...I prefer serious debates....
I never intended to argue for Nietzsche (I notice that I did but I didn't want to do that, although I find it offensicve how one of the greates german philosophers gets misinterpreted and linked with the biggest criminals ever)
I just said that I wasn't the only one having that view (Nietzsche, Hobbes, etc...), I realize that you know a lot against Nietzsche but this more aor less brought us off-topic because we were debating Nietzsche, not our own opinions.
I like Nietzsche this is true but I don't see why I have to be his advocate....he is right...but I prefer my own viewsYou didn't...if you felt like an emotinal upsetness this is just due to my dislike of getting my worxs twisted and perverted......I think I have that in common with poor Nietzsche
Dear Bardock
I respect your national pride in Nietzsche, I am sorry you believe despite the incident with the horse Nietzsche lived by his beliefs and you feel this is misrepresentation by myself and others. Again the only one who really knows is Nietzsche.
As for misinterpretation well we differ in opinion on that.
Your right Nietzsche brought us off topic but I did not raise him. You did and I quote "you should read Nietzsche". This comment set the tone for our "debate", unfortunately you made an assumption that I had not read Nietzsche, a fair guess as many have not including you 😕 only to find 😱 I had.
Not only that I knew a little bit about his history and the hypocrisy of the horse incident. I understand you like Nietzsche, It is good to try on lots of different types of ideas until you decide what fits best for you. I am glad you like your own views.
#i never twisted your words you made an assumption about me, one which was untrue. I don't think we are in a position to know what Nietzsche would have thought of others interpretations of his ideas. He did claim to be a fatality and a destiny 🙂 perhaps he would have been proud, or perhaps and I think in this you are right sickened. Nietzsche like many philosophers came up with ideas to shock, to understand Nietzsche you need to have read his works, and understand his position on Christianity, as this was the root of weakness he felt. I am not Christian but I see his code as no better than there's. I suggest if you are truly interested in reading good philosophy with a Nietzschen bent although far better thought out you look East to Sun Wu.
I hope this clarifies things
The Whirly one
Ok my whirlyful friend get this.....even if you read Nietzsche (which I am absolutely not sure off because what you quoted is in the 2nd chapter of the first part while his further beliefs are just two chapters further) you misunderstood him...sorry maybe it was a bad translation I don't know....furthermore its not my pride in a national philosopher (Kant, Schopenhauer, Jaspers, Heidegger.....we got enough others) its because he is right....
Furthermore you bring up this half thought through idea that he didn't live according to what he said but not only is that absolutely wrong I even quoted where it is shown in "Also sprach Zarathustra"
Plus yes you twisted my words...more than once...last occurance "So you think you are more intelligent than Hitler" ..... never said that...never even touched upon this subject....Nietzsches hate for Christianity was unnatural and I don't knoiw if I agree with that...but we talk abopot Nietzsche because you think you somehow have some knowlege against him...I am not attached to Nietzsches views they are similiar but not the same...so you should respond to my views (way bac) with your views (not with other peoples) ....I will see into Sun Wu when I am done with the western philosophers I am currently into.....
And iot doesn't clarify anything it just shows again that you are not able to debate but rather try to make it personal...its not it is a serious debate...please understand that.....I have no problem with yoiu...just don't twist my words.....and lets stop with Nietzsche because we both seem to be stubborn on this subject (although I am right)....
So can we talk aboot our views...and not make this a philosophical arguement....
Nope I have nothing against Nietzsche, I think he is wrong thatsa all.
You said Hitler misunderstood Nietzsche, you assume again that you understand Nietzsche better than Hitler. Yes I read Nietzsche at university about 15 years ago. It was an English translation but it was accurate. I read it in the epistemeology unit of my first degree as an example of an anti christian philosopher for an essay on Science and Christianity. He has some ideas which have some truth. I do not twist words. I use words.
I truly have nothing against Nietzsche or you.
Relax its only the internet.
I know its the Internet...so please don't take personal what I say....its not against you....your "style" of "debating" is very immature though.
We really don't need to fight aboot Nietzsche, I don't claim that I understand him better, I read aboot him from learned aboot him and many if not all serious Philosophers and Historians agree that Nietzsche didn't intend anything like Hitler ....
And you very much misuse words of other people, you make assumptions that just make no sense at all......
And I don't have anything personal against you or the Philosophers you quoted 😄
Originally posted by whirlysplat
I am "immature", "simple", "twist words", please stop this bardock I am not into insulting people, just debating. Keep the flames to yourself.It really is nothing personal
Again Whirly:
Not you are simple but your "people do good deeds and care for otheres" ciew is simple
Not you are immature but your "style" of "debating" is immature
And for the twisting of my words...you just did it again...so there's really no flaming going on
I don't take it personal, I just don't think you respond to what I say ever.....and when you do it is a quote from someone else.....
Originally posted by whirlysplat
😄 that depends what topic I am relating it to 😄
Off course...but the only two actually necessary in this thread "Do people have compassion" and "Did Nietzsche contradict himself" ....well it just doesn't fit...its a good quote no doubt aboot it but that'S what I am talking aboot...can't we talk aboot our views...not the views of others?
Re: The Spirit of Humanity is Compassion
Originally posted by whirlysplat
I am not a religious person. I do though believe in certain moral codes, at the heart of my beliefs is compassion for my fellow man. I believe most people are good people, regardless of race, religion, creed, class or colour. I believe all should be equal. I also believe most people know whats right and whats wrong. I believe the real conspiracy in the world at the moment is unconscious, it is not controlled by anyone, but is a product of advertising, the isolationist way many of us live and work at times, and the distance we feel from each other. The result of this is a cold unloving world for many, where as long as they are OK then they no longer care about others, this was highlighted to me by the reactions of some on this board to the London bombings. They are cash rich but emotionally poor.Am I right?
Compassion, morality, ethics, and conscience are what separate us from other animals and organisms. 🙂
They're uniquely human creations.
Re: Re: The Spirit of Humanity is Compassion
Originally posted by Tex
Compassion, morality, ethics, and conscience are what separate us from other animals and organisms. 🙂They're uniquely human creations.
Are they uniquely human creations or uniquely human characteristics?😄 Now we have the true question.