Class 100 Royal Rumble, How strong are theses Guys

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The attraction between matter and antimatter is infinite in force, but it does not act over infinite distance. If that were true, the entire universe would be annhihilated. There would be nothing but energy.

I might be wrong here bu don't all forces act over an infinite distances, Its just the longer the force has to travel the less potent the force becomes. The attraction between Antimatter and matter might be the strongest but it probaly can be over come. I mean if you whacked one of the orbs in a Black hole i doubt the other orb would be able to pull it out?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
strength-wise, Hulk > PC Darkseid. 😉

Is Juggy really in a class above Thor?

Am just throwing the list out there -- I'm not going to debate it one way or another. It's just a list to rearrange how you see fit.

Why do you say Hulk is stronger than PC Darkseid, by the way?

Originally posted by yahman
I might be wrong here bu don't all forces act over an infinite distances, Its just the longer the force has to travel the less potent the force becomes. The attraction between Antimatter and matter might be the strongest but it probaly can be over come. I mean if you whacked one of the orbs in a Black hole i doubt the other orb would be able to pull it out?

The matter antimatter attraction cannot be overcome by any force in the physical universe. Black hole gravity is not going to overcome it.

Gravity is one of the weakest forces in the universe. The attraction between matter and antimatter can overcome it. Gravity does not act instantaneously over infinite distances. Relativity limits the velocity of everything (energy, objects, force) to the speed of light.

Matter-antimatter attraction >>>> black hole level gravity. Infinite vs finite.

Originally posted by Never
Am just throwing the list out there -- I'm not going to debate it one way or another. It's just a list to rearrange how you see fit.

Why do you say Hulk is stronger than PC Darkseid, by the way?

Comparing the Hulk's feats to anyone else's would suggest that he is stronger.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Gravity is one of the weakest forces in the universe. The attraction between matter and antimatter can overcome it. Gravity does not act instantaneously over infinite distances. Relativity limits the velocity of everything (energy, objects, force) to the speed of light.

Matter-antimatter attraction >>>> black hole gravity.

You've slipped up dude. 🙂

Gravity is the weakest force b some distance !!!!!!!!!,

All Forces are limited to the speed of light. Forces are exhchanged between different particles in the form of quanta of energy, which are sometimes described as virtual particles. E.G. the photon !!!!!! All these particles (apart from the Higgs boson) have no mass, and there fore travel at the speed of light. Its believed that these partcles are actually made from the vibration of space time but who cares.

Although gravity is the weakest force a Black hole isthe most potent object in all the univeres. Not even light in the form of photons can escape it. Gravity is linked to space time and gravity becomes so extreme in a black hole that 4 or 10 dimesional space (if you believe M string theory) becomes so distorted that nothing can escape. Im notsure but I think the antimatter, matter attraction is created by negative and posotive quanta interacting with each other. Unless these are tachyons (which they are not) they are nnot going to overcome the force of a black hole.

The feat is verry Impressive, But it isn't impossible. !!!!!!!

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Comparing the Hulk's feats to anyone else's would suggest that he is stronger.

Fair enough; let me see if I can dig up any "major" PC Darkseid feats of strength.

Originally posted by yahman
You've slipped up dude. 🙂

Gravity is the weakest force b some distance !!!!!!!!!,

All Forces are limited to the speed of light. Forces are exhchanged between different particles in the form of quanta of energy, which are sometimes described as virtual particles. E.G. the photon !!!!!! All these particles (apart from the Higgs boson) have no mass, and there fore travel at the speed of light. Its believed that these partcles are actually made from the vibration of space time but who cares.

Although gravity is the weakest force a Black hole isthe most potent object in all the univeres. Not even light in the form of photons can escape it. Gravity is linked to space time and gravity becomes so extreme in a black hole that 4 or 10 dimesional space (if you believe M string theory) becomes so distorted that nothing can escape. Im notsure but I think the antimatter, matter attraction is created by negative and posotive quanta interacting with each other. Unless these are tachyons (which they are not) they are nnot going to overcome the force of a black hole.

The feat is verry Impressive, But it isn't impossible. !!!!!!!

Black holes pull increases as a result of dialating escape velocity. imagine throwing a ball upwards. The harder you throw the ball, the faster it is travels, and the higher the ball will go before returning. If you throw it hard enough, it will never return, because the gravity will not be able to pull it back down. The velocity the ball must have to escape the Earth's gravity is about 7 miles a second (on Earth.) Escape velocity is relative to a body's mass. As gravitational attraction increases, the escape velocity becomes larger. Things have to be thrown harder and harder to escape. Eventually, a point is reached when even light, which travels at 186 thousand miles a second, is not travelling fast enough to escape. At this point, nothing can get out as nothing can travel faster than light. It's not about the magnitude of the force. It's the speed at which force propels an object. If the matter-antimatter attraction cannot accelerate a particle beyond lightspeed, the said particle could not escape a black hole.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Black holes pull increases as a result of dialating escape velocity. imagine throwing a ball upwards. The harder you throw the ball, the faster it is travels, and the higher the ball will go before returning. If you throw it hard enough, it will never return, because the gravity will not be able to pull it back down. The velocity the ball must have to escape the Earth's gravity is about 7 miles a second (on Earth.) Escape velocity is relative to a body's mass. As gravitational attraction increases, the escape velocity becomes larger. Things have to be thrown harder and harder to escape. Eventually, a point is reached when even light, which travels at 186 thousand miles a second, is not travelling fast enough to escape. At this point, nothing can get out as nothing can travel faster than light. It's not about the magnitude of the force. It's the speed at which force propels an object. If the matter-antimatter attraction cannot accelerate a particle beyond lightspeed, the said particle could not escape a black hole.

So we are agreed ? 😄 The matter Anti matter attraction can definatley be over come with a suitably powerful Magnetic field. Thats how they are proposing to build an antimatter matter engine.

Originally posted by yahman
So we are agreed ? 😄 The matter Anti matter attraction can definatley be over come with a suitably powerful Magnetic field. Thats how they are proposing to build an antimatter matter engine.

Not overcome. Isolated. Once the attraction is initiated, nothing can stop it from occurring. Penning Traps use electromagnetic fields to isolate antimatter in vacuums. However, they must be kept at near zero temperatures, or they breech the field and annihilate the nearest matter. If you try and place an electromagnetic field between a proton and an antiproton in a vaccum, you won't have much luck.

There's a big difference between a black hole's gravity and the attraction between matter and antimatter. One is constant. The other dilates geometrically to an infinite degree. Resisting the attraction between is physically impossible.

OK guys its resurrection time for my only successful thread. (My first i might add)

What do you think about this new Level 7 list. All the characters on this list have been described as Class 100 or Level 7 by a Marvel Handbook or another official Source. (Sorry guys Thing doesn't make the cut). They are in order so here we go: (Note i have only included characters who use their physical strength in battle)

Position and Character Name :

1. Midgard Serpent
2. Hulk at his Peak (E.G. when he's performed all his impressive feats)
3. Rune Thor
4. Mangog
5. Eighth Day Juggernaut
6. Destroyer
7. Count Nefaria
8. Thanos
9. Immortal Hercules
10.Gladiator (Normally not at full confidence)
11.Thor / BRB / Magini
12. Hyperion (normal levels)
13. Classic Juggernaut
14. Silver Surfer/Morg
15. Ultimate Hulk
16. Ultimate Colossus
17. Atlas Full Height (Ask Olympian)
18. Ultimate Thor (If he's Level 7)
19.Mortal Herc
20.Abomination (Always Level 7 , although i disagree)
21.Namor (Although the handbook says he's Level 6. He's been Class 100 B4)
22. Colossus (Although the HB says he's Level 6, he's been Class 100
23. Current Juggernaut
24. Current Sasquatch (Has been Class 100 although level 5 at the moment
25. Frost Giants
26. Sentinels

Level 7 I don't know to much about:

Yimir, Kurse, Cosmic Spider man, Ultimate Thing (potentially), Ultimate Iron Man (potentially), Professor Hulk, Fire Lord, Nimrod, De sack, Grey Hulk, Spiky Thing, Wendigo, Apocalypse, Sentry

Could you guys give me more info? Please

Level 6 Who can become Level 7:

Wonder man, Terrax, Hulk Buster Iron Man, Wrecker
🙂

Level 6 who have shown they can lift 100 tons in extreme circumstances:

Thing, Iron Man, Wonder man, Namor, Ulik, Orca

Do you agree ?

Why put people who dont have immeasureable strength as level 7? It just doesnt make sense. Fair enough if its just for the purpose of this thread but we know its not the case comic books wise. Theres a difference between being able to lift some heavy things and having immesureable strength. You're just gonna confuse things for newbies Yahman.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Why put people who don't have immeasureable strength as level 7? It just doesnt make sense. Fair enough if its just for the purpose of this thread but we know its not the case comic books wise. Theres a difference between being able to lift some heavy things and having immesureable strength. You're just gonna confuse things for newbies Yahman.

Well and truly confused now ? No seriously. I don't think most of the characters at Level 7 have immeasurable strength. Level 7 is supposed to be lifting over 100 tons.

For example Abomination is a Level 7 character and he does not have immeasurable strength. Count Nefarious is definitely a level 7 character and he couldn't lift a mountain.

Please explain G.S. Your really screwing with my mind this time. Its probably some sort of incompetence from my behalf but i haven't spotted it.

Cheers for referring to me as an EX Newbie.

Originally posted by yahman
Well and truly confused now ? No seriously. I don't think most of the characters at Level 7 have immeasurable strength. Level 7 is supposed to be lifting over 100 tons.

For example Abomination is a Level 7 character and he does not have immeasurable strength. Count Nefarious is definitely a level 7 character and he couldn't lift a mountain.

Please explain G.S. Your really screwing with my mind this time. Its probably some sort of incompetence from my behalf but i haven't spotted it.

Cheers for referring to me as an EX Newbie.

STRENGTH
1 = Weak: cannot lift own body weight
2 = Normal: able to lift own body weight
3 = Peak human: able to life twice own body weight
4 = Superhuman: 800 lbs-25 ton range
5 = Superhuman: 25-75 ton range
6 = Superhuman: 75-100 ton range
7 = Incalculable: In excess of 100 tons

Originally posted by yahman
Well and truly confused now ? No seriously. I don't think most of the characters at Level 7 have immeasurable strength. Level 7 is supposed to be lifting over 100 tons.

For example Abomination is a Level 7 character and he does not have immeasurable strength. Count Nefarious is definitely a level 7 character and he couldn't lift a mountain.

Please explain G.S. Your really screwing with my mind this time. Its probably some sort of incompetence from my behalf but i haven't spotted it.

Cheers for referring to me as an EX Newbie.

But we had a really good discussion on that Thing Vs Colossus thread. I thought we both agreed that the marvel system has its faults but if you ignore the numerical values attached to 6 and upwards it serves to differentiate your average powerhouse from the titans those with virtually immesurable strength. People who can brace mountains, lifts castles.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
But we had a really good discussion on that Thing Vs Colossus thread. I thought we both agreed that the marvel system has its faults but if you ignore the numerical values attached to 6 and upwards it serves to differentiate your average powerhouse from the titans those with virtually immeasurable strength. People who can brace mountains, lifts castles.

I though that is what we were getting at.🙂

But the H.B. violates that on numerous occasions. E.G. Hercules during his mortal phase, current Juggernaut, Sentinels and the Abomination. All of these where listed as Level 7 by the H.B, yet don't qualify as having immeasurable strength.

OK for this thread (only) i have incorporated those characters who have been associated with class 100 strength at one time or another. Note some of these have been down-graded since. E.G. Colossus and Namor. Everyone from Ultimate Colossus downwards would usually qualify as Level 6.

Didn't Classic Hulk hold a Mountain not many could do that

Namor can lift about 85 tons at peak capacity, although his strength degrades the longer he is out of water, to a minimum of 40 tons.

"Namor can lift about 85 tons at peak capacity, although his strength degrades the longer he is out of water, to a minimum of 40 tons"

"No no no Class100 means they can only lift 100 tons. No one is marvel can therefore lift over 100 tons becasue the Hanbook says so"

"Damn right. Absolute ignorance. Namor can only lift 85 tons, no matter what they say."

Handbooks again?

Comics show otherwise.

Originally posted by Sentry
Namor is a beast. He certainly is part of that class 100 group. He was the first marvel hero ever. Lifting up ocean liners and sub marines is proof of that. He's withstood direct shots from the Mjolnir which only pi$$ed him off.

How can I explain it to you.... Hmmmm... If Namor spends a week in water, then emerges, he will be able to fight at full strength as if he was in water for a week. After that week, his strength will start to fade, SLOWLY... See what I'm saying? He doesn't get instantly pussyfied like other water based characters cough"Aquaman"cough... when he spends a certain amount of time out of water.

Oh, Sentry could very well be the strongest, next to Savage Hulk. 😄

Can you prove that Sentry is stronger then the Hulk? So far he hasn't done anything that whould put him up there with Marvel top tier heros.

this is from the marvel directory. Maybe it will help, maybe not.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/strengthlevels/100.htm