Shin Akuma with Venom Symbiosis faces gauntlet

Yes I agree, he would beat classic juggernaut, by means of a ring out.

This akuma is no wuss by any means, and I'm sure that Trion juggernaut still has a soul. The problem is Akuma has too many aspects of fighting and fighting speed to be caused a problem from trion juggs, resulting in a ringout win and a ringout win only.

Gill himself is cosmic and immortal, and Shin Akuma killed him with the demon, Gill resurrected and it was a stalemate, that being said the new and improved shin akuma should be able to hurt Trion Juggernaut, but not kill him per say. I feel that space ring out is the best option.

I here the Space ring out but I think you are greatly underestemating the sheer Power and Durability of Trions. The only thing that stopped him was his self by breaking free of Cyytoraks control no one else was able to hurt him Thor included. Trion has a soul I'm pretty sure his his powers can stop the Raging Demon. Classic is the one who should fight Akuma maybe 8th day but that Juggs is also a power house of destruction.

I understand Juggernaut fine, but Akuma is being underestimated. The raging demon was a theory and may or may not work, but I wouldn't count it out.

The symboite gives akuma too much power. Akuma has beaten pyron, a creature WHO LIVES on the sun, he has faced power houses before, including cosmic Gill.

I am not underestimating Akuma my friend you have done a superb job in explaining him and he very well could take on the top tier of Marvel Earth Heros such as Hulk or Thor but Trion is something far beyond Akuma my friend. I grant you the symbiote increases his powers but not nearly enough to be close to Trion's Power. Like I said a possible middle ground is if he fught 8th day Juggs. I agree he can fight and possibly beat classic Juggs but only in a small theory because even though Akuma could have him in sheer power I still don't think he can hurt Classic Juggs. Now I feel that possibly Akuma and 8th Day Juggs can match eacthother in sheer power but I still think even 8th day is somewhat more powerful.

I understand the invurnerability, but I am speaking ring out, that aside, its difficult to say where each stand, because they haven't shown their upper limits of strength yet.

Yes I agree he could win with possible rng out against Trion if he can move him. Anyway from the description of the feats you have told me mixed with the symbiote I see Akuma vs 8th Day Juggs as the the more equal match up here in power. I don't see how Akuma can hurt Classic Juggs but from what you tell me Akuma could be in the strength level of Hulk with the symbiote Akuma wouldn't hurt him but Classic Juggs would be at his mercy.

Keep in mind however, that akuma moved in space to destroy a meteor, he also has the "ashura zenkuu", or demon warp, a warp to space would be the best choice in action.

I know that trion juggs is no pushover, I'm sorry if it seems so, I'm just defending a less popular character, you know how it usually is with juggs.

I hear ya but like I sadi I think that the fight between these two should be between 8th Day and Akuma I feel these guys are on a more level playing field. Trion to strong has to be ring out Classic probably can't hurt him but not strong enough to pose a problem for Akuma with symbiote.

Well that would give it some creativity then, list me some of Trion Juggs BEST feats.

Punching through dimensions withstood a mental attack from Xavier without his helmet on, didn't even acknowledge attacks from Thor.
Basically trion is when Cyttorak took control of Juggernaughts body and pretty much tranfered all of his power into his Exemplar's body. He could very well be on Galactus level some people think.
I think it would be better to argue 8th Day and Akuma

Fair enough, maybe I was off then, no way but a teleport.

Only onslaught and cyber akuma would stand a chance then.

How do you feel about symbiote shin akuma vs. 8th day?

I feel these guys can trade blows and Although I feel 8th day is stronger but Akuma is faster and a better fighter. It comes down to the Raging Demon. It is worthless in attacking his body or soul but the mind is still a prime target. This isn't the Juggs that can withstand a mental attack but I do have one question about it. Does it attack the mind physically and destroys it that way or is it like a normal telepathic attack that attacks the person's memories and personality?
If it causes physical harm to the brain then it is worthless if it is like a normal telepathic attack then Akuma whould still have to remove the helmet but he could.

Originally posted by newjak86
I feel these guys can trade blows and Although I feel 8th day is stronger but Akuma is faster and a better fighter. It comes down to the Raging Demon. It is worthless in attacking his body or soul but the mind is still a prime target. This isn't the Juggs that can withstand a mental attack but I do have one question about it. Does it attack the mind physically and destroys it that way or is it like a normal telepathic attack that attacks the person's memories and personality?
If it causes physical harm to the brain then it is worthless if it is like a normal telepathic attack then Akuma whould still have to remove the helmet but he could.

It's an overwhelming force, that was banned from fighting. It grants a win OVER ANY opponent, and is mystical in nature. (magic in some aspects, though not truly, it can hurt him though). It attacks all of those in such an overwhelming force, that it is fatal. The only to survive it were Gill, a cosmic immortal. Gen, Akuma's once rival, survived it but emptied his soul and mind entirely, a defeat.

To get an idea of how it works, look at the pic I put on the other thread, its the watered down versoin from the other akuma, but it can work. As far as the symbiote, it taints the minds of opponents, making the raging demon THAT much more powerful. If it were to ever connect, the symbiote would make it more lethal than before.

The fact it is mystical in nature makes this interesting since Jugg's powers are mystical in as well. Then the Raging Demon could overwhelm his mystical protection and hurt him. Though that is unlikely considering who backs that power Cyttorak. This is the same baing you Strange invokes alot just to show how powerful this guy is. Anyway you said that it basically is Overwhlems oppenents but Juggs great Durability is hard (in fact it has never been done) to overcome and overload.

Originally posted by newjak86
The fact it is mystical in nature makes this interesting since Jugg's powers are mystical in as well. Then the Raging Demon could overwhelm his mystical protection and hurt him. Though that is unlikely considering who backs that power Cyttorak. This is the same baing you Strange invokes alot just to show how powerful this guy is. Anyway you said that it basically is Overwhlems oppenents but Juggs great Durability is hard (in fact it has never been done) to overcome and overload.

Agreed his powerful is mystical in nature, but without his armor,or helmet, he is seen as a muscle man, the symbiote would work wonders in removing that from him. Thats what the xmen do.

Its juggies armor for the most part, not his body, that is still treated as suspect.

Even still no one even the Hulk has broken that armor plus even still has taken a hit from the hulk to the head without his helmet on so his durability isn't completely his armor.
Still i would like to know about the Raging Demon's attack on the mind.
is it a physical attack on the mind or is it like a normal telepathic attack.

Originally posted by newjak86
Even still no one even the Hulk has broken that armor plus even still has taken a hit from the hulk to the head without his helmet on so his durability isn't completely his armor.
Still i would like to know about the Raging Demon's attack on the mind.
is it a physical attack on the mind or is it like a normal telepathic attack.

No, not break the armor, the symbiote could REMOVE the helmet.
Then that would allow a misogi to the head, a move that broke Ayer's rock, and can easily destroy islands and such.

Akuma is no pushover either, he destroyed a fast moving meteor 1/3 the size of the earth, he is STRONG. That AND the symbiote, would make him capable of defeatin him, ONLY if at least his helmet is removed covertly or overtly, see my point now?

I see your pont but then I go back to my previous post. even without that helmet on Juggs took a direct blow from the Hulk to the head and that was classic juggs. I have already listed what those fist has done. So I still believe that the real problem that juggs has to worry about is how the Raging Demon attacks your mind. Is it Physical your is it like a normal telepathic attack.

The misogi is more than just a normal concussive blow to what the hulk can achieve, its the full extent of his dark hadou into one blow. It wouldn't be necessarily fatal, but it would at least stun him, or injure him to some extent.

That is still suspect, but The raging demon is not, shin akuma can very well reach the speed at his max, that or an "ashura zenkuu", to warp and execute it, or warp in space.

I won't disagree on whether it can stun him without his helmet it very well could but stunning him isn't beating him.
Not to sound like I'm bashing you man because you are very knowledgeable but you have yet to answer my question on the Raging demon. Does it Pysically attack the mind or is it more likea normal telepathic attack.