Originally posted by paeng
Venom and Juggernaut once fight one on one and Venom hold his own against Juggernaut. So I think Akuma with the Symbiote vs Juggernaut is a tie.
Originally posted by newjak86
Actually he got his but kicked my friend he basically almost killed Venom.
Sorry CM had to answer to that.
Now Juggs is one of the baddest people alive. Now your argument has always been based on getting his helmet off and hitting Juggs on the head to stun him then teleport him away all the while avoiding sonic claps that go out in all directions that probably could go on for continents in length.. Now even if you manage to get the helmet off there are fundamental flaws here. 8th Day juggs can punch holes through dimensions so even if you teleport him away he will be back in a few seconds. Also if Juggernaut is walking forward then Akuma will not even be able to stun Juggs since when he moves forward no force on Earth can stop him. Plus with his force field up he couldn't even be touched.
Juggs IS one of the baddest around, but he can't think like akuma can, thats his fatal flaw.
Akuma counters EVERYTHING
Teleports are instantaneous methods of travel, if juggernaut was in space, he could never really accurately generate the motion to punch, and would that dimension even yield to the fighting arena?
True juggernaut is unstoppable, but their is a catch.
His own body, using that against him is a loophole in juggernaut, it is HIS flaw.
If that helmet is off, akuma can generate MASSIVE POWER, enough to at least stun.
The milder version of the misogi generates a field, so even if juggernaut had that field up, he wouldn't be attacking.
Akuma nor juggernaut is no pushover, but akuma has more options, juggernaut would survive, most of akuma's attacks, but akuma has 4 options for every one of juggernauts. Its battle experience.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Juggs IS one of the baddest around, but he can't think like akuma can, thats his fatal flaw.
Akuma counters EVERYTHINGTeleports are instantaneous methods of travel, if juggernaut was in space, he could never really accurately generate the motion to punch, and would that dimension even yield to the fighting arena?
True juggernaut is unstoppable, but their is a catch.
His own body, using that against him is a loophole in juggernaut, it is HIS flaw.
If that helmet is off, akuma can generate MASSIVE POWER, enough to at least stun.
The milder version of the misogi generates a field, so even if juggernaut had that field up, he wouldn't be attacking.
Akuma nor juggernaut is no pushover, but akuma has more options, juggernaut would survive, most of akuma's attacks, but akuma has 4 options for every one of juggernauts. Its battle experience.
Yes he shouldn't be able to hit Akuma but can Akuma out run a sonic Clap that can be felt for extremely long distances forever. I don't think so and once it hits him he will be doomed because even if he could normally stand up afterwards with the symbiote attached to his mind he will be screwed. Simply put once the symbiote goes weak so does the host. With Akuma standing there dazed and hurt from the sonic clap Juggs could take his time lining up a shot that will ear the very molecules that make Akuma apart.
"If juggs is in pure atmosphere, or in the right location, I don't see him coming back."
Juggs is magical in nature and it has always been in his character to do things that aren't easily explained. He could easily move through space if his forward movement was never stopped. Which it wouldn't since it can't. Akuma would still have to get his helmet off while avoiding sonic claps that go in all directions. Even after he gets to the helmet he still has to pull it off which it takes alot of force to remove it while he hopes Juggs is standing there doing nothing even though Juggs would be attacking back. Then he would probably have to power up his strongest attack to simply faze him(Thats only if Juggs isn't moving forward which he hardly ever isn't). Then grab him and transport him into space where Juggs will probably come right back. Plus since if he's moving forward Akuma's attack wouldn't hurt him then Akuma would have to run away by completely changing directions to do it again once again avoiding the Sonic Claps. Even still none of this happens if his force field is up because then he wouldn't even be able to get to his helmet and Juggs could still do the sonic clap.
Sorry an Akuma has to do to much to win by ring out alone and that isn't even a given
Originally posted by newjak86
Yes he shouldn't be able to hit Akuma but can Akuma out run a sonic Clap that can be felt for extremely long distances forever. I don't think so and once it hits him he will be doomed because even if he could normally stand up afterwards with the symbiote attached to his mind he will be screwed. Simply put once the symbiote goes weak so does the host. With Akuma standing there dazed and hurt from the sonic clap Juggs could take his time lining up a shot that will ear the very molecules that make Akuma apart.
Akuma won't be hit by it, because akuma warps at will. He has attacks that destroy meteors and such, he can cancel out that from a distance, he has many types of offense here.
Originally posted by newjak86
Juggs is magical in nature and it has always been in his character to do things that aren't easily explained. He could easily move through space if his forward movement was never stopped. Which it wouldn't since it can't. Akuma would still have to get his helmet off while avoiding sonic claps that go in all directions. Even after he gets to the helmet he still has to pull it off which it takes alot of force to remove it while he hopes Juggs is standing there doing nothing even though Juggs would be attacking back. Then he would probably have to power up his strongest attack to simply faze him(Thats only if Juggs isn't moving forward which he hardly ever isn't). Then grab him and transport him into space where Juggs will probably come right back. Plus since if he's moving forward Akuma's attack wouldn't hurt him then Akuma would have to run away by completely changing directions to do it again once again avoiding the Sonic Claps. Even still none of this happens if his force field is up because then he wouldn't even be able to get to his helmet and Juggs could still do the sonic clap.
Sorry an Akuma has to do to much to win by ring out alone and that isn't even a given
If his helmet is off, than juggernaut would take some damage. His helmet can easily be taken off by akuma, that I know, considering the symbiote being able to weave in and out, being malleable like he is.
Juggernaut could only hope to stalemate him, if a raging demon is planted on him, it would do at LEAST considerable damage, Juggernaut is immune to the outside, not the inside.
He is immune to many things my friend I will get some scans for you soon just hold up. And the scans I will be showing are of Classic 8th Day is somewhere around 100times that strong. Plus taking the helmet off isn't as easy as simply having the Symbiote grab unto it and pulling it off. It is basically held on by a small magical field not as strong as the rest of Juggs but still very hard to overcome. So to remove it would take Akuma getting in close and trying to remove it himself. Which then he falls into my previous post of how will he do it when so many things would have to go right and even then it not a guaranteed victory where in my post it shows a very easy way for Juggs to beat him. He simply hits him with a sonic clap he can keep doing it until he he hits with one. Akuma can't dodge forever. Then once he's stunned one punch will destroy Akuma.
Juggernaut isn't immune to his mind and soul, to shut him down using his mind, is what makes him beatable.
The sonic clap, if akuma teleports away, would he keep doing it?
Akuma can slow him down, by simply blowing him under water.
Either way juggernaut CAN have his helmet removed by Akuma, with the symbiote, we are arguing akuma at his max right?
These are the first scans that I have right now I will post more. Anyway the first one shows him magically being stripped of all his flesh and still going on. The second one was because I thougt it looked cool and still showed my point.
Anyway yes he has fought Venom before so he knows the symbiotes weakness and would use the Sonic Clap as much as needed. Also you haven't told me whether the raginf demon attacks the mind physically or like a normal telepathic attack. If it is Mytsical in nature then it most likely won't work. Plus it still would be hard to simply have the symbiote remove the helmet without Akuma geting close as well which puts him in reach. Which is not want Akuma wants. Plus I doubt it will effect his soul since he has taken the attacks of the things that should have destroyed him completely without so much as a scratch. Also this all is a mute point if Juggs has his shield up then Akuma won't even be able to get to the Helmet. Plus it doesn't matter if his Helmet is on or not it has nothing to do with his durability. The only reason I sai it could stun him for a second is that if he isn't moving forward then it has been proven you can daze Juggs somewhat if he is moving then your doomed.
Fricken cool pic.
Yes the raging demon is a most powerful attack meant to kill, it isn't physical. I told you about it defeating an IMMORTAL cosmic character gill remember? It attacks the soul AND mind, so juggernaut is like a normal man in his soul, THATS a weakness.
With his symbiote, Akuma has a living armor, Shin Akuma vs. 8th day would be a stalemate, but since Shin Akuma has more options, (symbiotes can get into peoples minds too), is why I think he has an okay chance of winning.
Neither are weak, but its a stalemate, at least.
Yes at the very least it is a stalemate but allow me to show you one last pic:
One again this is Classic 8th Day is 100 times stronger. It shows and states his only weakness is attacking his mind so I would think his soul is also protected by Cyttorak. This pic is of him fighting other Exemplars people also powered by cosmic enetities and Juggs is far stronger then any of them. Only by removing his helmet do they have a chance and look what it took to remove that helmet. and with his 100 times power that helmet would be even harder to remove.
Also then the Raging Demon is meant to do nothing but kill then it wouldn't work on Juggs since Juggs is all but proven to be beyond death.
Also if his force field is up this fight is over and Akuma has no chance.
The raging demon doesn't kill by simple terms, and it isn't said if juggernaut is protected by soul.
So he's absorbing hits here, and the forcefield is his best bet.
Realize that he isn't strategic enough to even begin to attack and put the shield up.
All points reviewed, its at least a stalemate, if we knew the power upgrade of the symbiote, akuma would have it, but since its speculation...
Yeah but Juggs does have the symbiote's main weakness in a large supply of power that could be a determining factor in any fight. Also that pic states that Jugg's only weakness is attacks to the mind so I'm assuming that since that is his only weakness then his soul is safe plus I thought it was cool.
The only reason that the Phoenix can harm him is because she is beyond Cyttorak's power if you aren't above him you aren't hurting Juggs.
He can Warp all day long but eventually he will tire Juggs doesn't tire. He doesn't need to eat or sleep his enchantment completely sustains him. So even if he can warp all day how will he be fairing in two weeks or two hundred years.