Darth Revan and Darth Malak vs. NJO Luke and Mace Windu

Well, let's see how they mesh:

- Luke uses Form V. It uses broad swings, and relies on aggression.
- Mace Windu uses Form VII. It relies on sudden, unconnected moves, which range from the subtle to the bizarrely wide ranged.
- Malak strikes me as a Form V user, with some Sokan and Ataru mixed in. Also, his great lightsaber is four feet long, altering his style some.
- I have reconsidered Revan's style(s). For one thing, he defeated Malak. He studied about other Sith lords, including Tulak Hord, whom I suspect was heavy on Makashi. Now, in the prelude to KOTOR, he goes into a defensive stance that mirrors Mace's own defensive stance in the Episode III game. Seeing as Nick Gillard, the creator of the SW forms as we know it did work on the game, it is a reasonable assumption to say that Revan knows Juyo, and possibly Makashi. He is also well versed in dual wielding.

But can you really think they wouldn't get separated? I'm sure Luke would try to get Revan alone so Mace could kill Malak. Malak isn't as strong as Sidious I'm sure so Mace should be able to duel either Revan or Malak. If he dueled Revan all he has to do is hold him back for Luke to kill Malak.

Originally posted by General Zodiac
But can you really think they wouldn't get separated? I'm sure Luke would try to get Revan alone so Mace could kill Malak. Malak isn't as strong as Sidious I'm sure so Mace should be able to duel either Revan or Malak. If he dueled Revan all he has to do is hold him back for Luke to kill Malak.

Malak isn't as strong as Sidious? Debatable very debatable..

Anyways. Why do you think Luke would get Malak alone and why do you think Mace would stand longer against Revan then Malak against Luke?

Malak and Revan fought together for a very long time, Luke and Mace have never even seen each other. Of course Malak and Revan would preform better together. Argueing that is like saying Hitler won WWII complete bullshit.

First things first- General Zodiac with all due respect Mace would last about 5 seconds against Revan. I personally think Mace is awesome, but he'd give less of a fight to Revan than Malak would to Luke. Both would fall to their stronger foes.

Secondly, Janus I agree with you. Wikipedia as well stated that Tulak Hord used a pre-form version of Juyo, similar to Vaapad, but that is debatable. I also always thought Tulak might use Makshi, seeing as how its the most saber-oriented form. I think Revan used his own form as a mix between Soresu (in clip against Bastila), Juyo/Makashi (Hord's Holocron), and probably a couple of moves that he invented himself.

Because Mace's Vaapad gives him a better edge since he's fighting a Sith Lord then Malak does with Luke. And just because they never fought together doesn't mean anything. Sure all they know is their moves but Luke would be able to take down Malak faster then Revan would Mace. Mace is stronger then most people give him credit for.

Revan and Malak would kick ass (please excuse my lanaguage).

Obviously by the name of my avatar Mace is one of my favourite characters, so I would never in a million years cut his due credit short. But I'm trying to be realistic. By that logic, 99% of the people on this thread think Malak is crap. Luke and Mace have never laid eyes on eachother. Ever. Malak and Revan have been best friends their entire lives, fought through wars together, and became Master and Apprentice of the Sith. That's like saying, I dunno, Jacen Solo and Kit Fisto knowing, planning, and fighting together than, oh, ROTS Obi Wan and Anakin.

Whoever wins, it would be a close fight.

Originally posted by General Zodiac
Because Mace's Vaapad gives him a better edge since he's fighting a Sith Lord then Malak does with Luke. And just because they never fought together doesn't mean anything. Sure all they know is their moves but Luke would be able to take down Malak faster then Revan would Mace. Mace is stronger then most people give him credit for.

He is not as underestimated as Malak is. Malak is great himself, he would surely be able to resist Luke for a little while, and in that time Revan would take down Mace. And yes it does mean a lot. Two friends that have fought a lot together are going to do a lot better together then two people that meet for the first time.

Exactly.

I like Malak. He's one of my favorites but be real. Malak had to use the power of the Star Forge to stand a chance against Revan.

Look who he was facing! Anyone in the entire Star Wars saga would dread facing Revan; yes I just said that NJO Luke and Yoda would fear for their lives (if they feared for such things, which is doubtful, but you get the jist). And using the Star Forge doesn't mean that he's weak; he thinks like a Sith, crafty and willing to use whatever means necessary to achieve his goals. And he was obviously powerful ust to able to control the Forge, and to have been Revan's staunchest and mightiest ally in every single war fought i their lives.

He was fighting Revan, what did you expect? He could still use his normal power to kill hundreds of others.

A couple of things:

How the hell did it come about that Vaapad is like "Strong against Dark"? I didn't see that once in Shatterpoint, nor in Nick Gillard's breakdown of the forms.

Two, Wilkipedia.com, a source I introduced here myself, is a dubious source I've come to find out. I mean, Tulak uses Juyo? Where does it say that in the KOTOR series? Where officially? I've come to view Wilki as a nice change to Starwars.com (Which hasn't been updated in like six months), but neither are as official sources when compared to actual EU and canon material.

Three, if you've never fought side by side with a soldier in war, you will both likely die. It's why troops are trained together, and why in the Jedi Academy they practice duo duels and singles. Also, knowing your counterpart's moves and style drastically helps your teamwork. Drastically. Watch the teamwork of Obi-Wan and Anakin in ROTS.

So since Malak had to increase his power to battle Revan would Luke be able to kill him faster then Revan would Mace. The fight isn't on the Star Forge...

My point precisely. And Janus, I said in my post that the information from Wiki was debatable. And everybody, Vaapad USES one's dark side or dark feelings to aid them in battle. It USES dark practices, but is not strong against darksiders in itself.

Thats crap, we don't know how powerful Malak is compared to Revan or Mace.

Your comparing apple's to pears.

Seeing as Russia had lost 24 million people in WWII they would lose from the Roman army's who had more troops then Hitler did.

Never mind the fact that the Romans did not have any airforce, tanks or guns... It just does not make sence.

Ah, you guys wan't a setting or is that necessary. I want more opinions before I set it somewhere that would change the face of the duel drastically.

Setting doesn't matter... Malak takes Windu, then joins Revan and kills Luke. But if you want you can always give a setting.

Hmm... You said Luke is equal to or better then Revan. Revan beat the **** out of Malak in their duel on that ship. Mace on the other hand would be able to keep Revan busy till Luke's done.