Nabu vs The Vishanti

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Nabu vs The Vishanti

The Vishanti:

The Vishanti are Agamotto, Hoggoth, and Oshtur, three benevolent extradimensional entities possessing vast mystical power, who bestow mystical knowledge and power upon sorcerers who invoke their names and whom they consider worthy. They are the beings whom Earth's sorcerer supreme, Doctor Stephen Strange, most often invokes to grant additional power to his spells.

Very little has been revealed about the Vishanti themselves. Presumably they are indeed three separate beings, although one text has referred to Agamotto as one of the "aspects" of the Vishanti. On the few recorded occasions that the three Vishanti have manifested themselves together to human beings, Hoggoth has appeared as a mans head, Oshtur as the head of a beautiful young woman, and Agamotto as the head of a catlike being. On one of these occasions Agamotto resembled a lion, while on another he looked much like a tiger. It is not known what resemblance these manifestations may bear to the Vishanti's true forms. When Doctor Stephen Strange has visited Agamotto's own dimension, Agamotto has appeared to him as a gigantic caterpillar. In fact, Agamotto explained to Strange that this was not his true form and that he had made himself an image from Lewis Carroll's "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" that he had seen in Strange's mind Agamotto has also been pictured as a being resembling no creature on Earth.

Hoggoth is often called "hoary Hoggoth," presumably indicating that he is of great age. Agamotto, however, has claimed to have existed before the creation of the Earth. Hence, if Hoggoth is indeed the eldest of the Vishanti, he is older than most other known beings in the multiverse. Sorcerers speak of "the hoary hosts of Hoggoth" and sometimes invoke the hosts themselves in casting spells. This fact suggests that Hoggoth's hosts themselves have existed perhaps as long as Hoggoth himself and that they too can bestow mystical power. No more is known about the hosts of Hoggoth, however.

Oshtur is often called "omnipotent Oshtur." This name suggests that she may be the most powerful of the three Vishanti. However, it is clear that Agamotto himself is one of the most powerful known mystical beings. On one occasion Doctor Strange invoked both Hoggoth and Oshtur in casting a spell against Agamotto, but the spell failed. Possibly this incident indicates that Agamotto is more powerful than either Hoggoth or Oshtur, or perhaps only that the other two Vishanti chose not to help Strange against Agamotto (in any event, though Oshtur clearly possesses vast power, she is presumably not literally omnipotent.) The fact that Oshtur is also addressed as "gracious lady" may indicate that she has a kindly and noble nature.

Of the three Vishanti, the most is known about Agamotto the All-Seeing according to one account, Agamotto was the first sorcerer supreme of the Earth dimension. Considering that Agamotto claims to be older than the Earth itself, and that he appears to be of other dimensional origin, this account may not be entirely accurate. However, Agamotto may indeed have himself acted directly to protect the Earth dimension before the rise of its first native sorcerer supreme. Agamotto is known to be the creator of the Amulet of Agamotto, which contains the Eye of Agamotto, which can generate a powerful beam of "white" magical energy. The Amulet of Agamotto is traditionally in the possession of the Earth dimension's principal opponent to the sinister mystical being, Dormammu. Currently the amulet is the principal weapon in the possession of Dormarnmu's arch foe, Doctor Stephen Strange.

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Nabu:

Dr. Fate's origins begin over 10 billion years ago. Here, not long after the formation of the universe were born two elemental forces — the Lords of Order and Lords of Chaos. came into beingn of universe struggle for supremacy. One group becomes known as Lords of Order, while the others are Lords of Chaos. (Who's Who Update '88 #2) On the world called Cilia, the Lords of Order manifested themselves as the first sentient race in the universe, a race of energy beings. After millennia, circa 3500 BCE, one of the Lords of Order, descends to Earth from Cilia and became Nabu the Wise, an advisor to the pharoahs of ancient Egypt. (JSA #42)

Nabu became the keeper of several powerful talismans. In the 26th century BCE, he created the Scarab of Kha-ef-re with the help of a time traveler from the 20th century. This was an attempt to overthrow Vandal Savage, who was at that time the pharoah called Khafre. (Regardless, the Scarab was lost for 4,500 years before being rediscovered in the 20th century by archaeologist Dan Garrett, who became the first Blue Beetle) (Time Masters #6)

Nabu's most powerful talisman, the Amulet of Anubis was created a few centuries later (c. 2025 BCE), but the circumstances are not certain. According to the devious creatures called Flaw & Child, Nabu commissioned the Amulet of Anubis from The Cutter, of the magical Gemworld. (JSA #42) Another tale asserts that in the Egyptian city of Bubastis, the mad priest Khalis slayed his followers in the name of the god Anubis, who then granted Khalis the Amulet of Anubis as a reward for his service. (First Issue Special #9) Whatever its origin, this Amulet then became home to the Lords of Order.

Hmm...I suppose that The Vishanti win.

Three VS One !!!
Duh............ its OVERKILL !!

Oh yeah, when Dr. Strangefate was created I wonder how there 4 gods get along ??

For some reason, everyone believes Dr. Fate to be equal to Dr. Strange.

Wrong.

From the information given its obvious people who dont know about either the Vishanti or nabu are going to pick the vishanti because you've hardly given any information on them. All that says is that Nabu is an ancient being who made a few trinkets. Look how that compares to the vishanti info.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
From the information given its obvious people who dont know about either the Vishanti or nabu are going to pick the vishanti because you've hardly given any information on them. All that says is that Nabu is an ancient being who made a few trinkets. Look how that compares to the vishanti info.

Nabu is an ancient Egyptian sorcerer, whose spirit resides in the helmet. I know all about him.

Long pig did that on purpose.

here, this might help even things up (and nabu was considerably MORE than just an egyptian sorcerer . . .)

Dr. Fate's origins begin over 10 billion years ago. Here, not long after the formation of the universe were born two elemental forces — the Lords of Order and Lords of Chaos. came into beingn of universe struggle for supremacy. One group becomes known as Lords of Order, while the others are Lords of Chaos. On the world called Cilia, the Lords of Order manifested themselves as the first sentient race in the universe, a race of energy beings. After millennia, circa 3500 BCE, one of the Lords of Order, descends to Earth from Cilia and became Nabu the Wise, an advisor to the pharoahs of ancient Egypt.

then there's this:

<<The Lords of Chaos and Lords of Order are complementary groups of supernatural entities with godlike powers. The two sides have been fighting for eons, but there is a whole cycle to it. First Order is dominant, then Chaos increases to become dominant then the end of everything and it starts all over. Originally, the fight was depicted as one between Good (Order) and Evil (Chaos); but these days neither side is shown to be all that positive: too much order is stagnation and too much chaos is anarchy. Although they can take physical form by posessing a living being (as Nabu and Mordru have), they are really bundles of mystical energy who usually depend on servants.

The most prominent Lord of Order is Nabu, who for years was the power source for Dr. Fate. When Kent Nelson, the original Dr. Fate, put on the helmet, Nabu would take over and more or less be Dr. Fate. Originally, Dr. Fate was depicted as an agent for Order and thus for the forces of Good; since the standings of the sides were revised, it was revealed that Fate's role is intended to be as an agent of balance between order and chaos. (Nabu is named after a god from Babylonian mythology and in the DC Universe is perhaps meant to be one and the same.)

Mordru is probably the most prominent Lord of Chaos fated to survive even after the end of the universe, although he's usually shown as a powerful wizard fighting the Justice Society of America in the present and the Legion of Super-Heroes in the future.>>

mordru has fought and defeated the entire jsa and the jla. a lord of order is essentially equivalent to a lord of chaos. fate is most CERTAINLY in the same league with strange.

a fairer thread though would be to put nabu against any ONE of agamotto, oshtur or hoggoth. if you give them all 3, make it ALL the lords of order v the vishanti.

last thing: the being KISMET (from superman) is also a lord of order personified. because she is human she does not have the full power of one of the lords, but even weakened she is a god-like being of immeasurable power with the ability to alter reality.

fate is UBER powerful, as are the lords of order.

the review on the gods is biased

He is sorcerer, but he has god-like powers.

TThe Lords of Chaos and Lords of Order are complementary groups of supernatural entities with godlike powers that appear in DC Comics, most notably as part of the back-story of Doctor Fate. They have also been retconned into the back-stories of Kid Eternity and Hawk and Dove.

The two sides have been fighting for eons, but there is a whole cycle to it. First Order is dominant, then Chaos increases to become dominant then the end of everything and it starts all over. Originally, the fight was depicted as one between Good (Order) and Evil (Chaos); but these days neither side is shown to be all that positive: too much order is stagnation and too much chaos is anarchy.

Although they can take physical form by posessing a living being (as Nabu and Mordru have), they are really bundles of mystical energy who usually depend on servants such as Hawk and Dove or Kid Eternity to accomplish their goals.

The most prominent Lord of Order is Nabu, who for years was the power source for Dr. Fate. When Kent Nelson, the original Dr. Fate, put on the helmet, Nabu would take over and more or less be Dr. Fate. Originally, Dr. Fate was depicted as an agent for Order and thus for the forces of Good; since the standings of the sides were revised, it was revealed that Fate's role is intended to be as an agent of balance between order and chaos. (Nabu is named after a god from Babylonian mythology and in the DC Universe is perhaps meant to be one and the same.)

Mordru is probably the most prominent Lord of Chaos fated to survive even after the end of the universe, although he's usually shown as a powerful wizard fighting the Justice Society of America in the present and the Legion of Super Heroes in the future. Presently he is trapped in the Rock of Eternity by Hector Hall, the present Dr. Fate, after his attempt at trying to cover the world in darkness with the assistance of Eclipso and Obsidian.

And I believe that Strange is more powerful then Fate, but Fate is not that much behind.

But even Surfer is stated to be more powerful than Strange its just that Strange has greater potential becaus he can invoke power from uber beings. But then its not guranteed that those beings will help him

<<But even Surfer is stated to be more powerful than Strange its just that Strange has greater potential becaus he can invoke power from uber beings. But then its not guranteed that those beings will help him>.

true. though it doesn't happen all that often that the entities refuse him. this is one small area where fate has an advantage - his power is never denied him.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Nabu is an ancient Egyptian sorcerer, whose spirit resides in the helmet. I know all about him.

Long pig did that on purpose.

Then you'd know his a Lord of Order, Mucho Mojo Marvelites😄

😱 A Nabu vs Vishanti thread? Wow. Was i at work that long? I must have missed this one.

Long Pig thats a horrible bio of Nabu. Im inclined to think you were biased in posting those.

Thanks Leo and DC for posting those Nabu bio's.

The Vishanti are 3 entities with mystical power, while Nabu is the most prominent Lord of Order is Nabu. There also are many entities within the LoO and the LoC. Nabu and Mordru are the most powerful of the two sides per say.

Its pretty hard to distinguish who is more powerful. It appears that Nabu and Hoggoth are the oldest. Although Hoggoth isnt the strongest.

Hard to say. One might be inclined to say the Vishanti wins due to sheer numbers, but Agamotto seems like the most powerful with Oshtur coming in a close second.

I cant call it. We dont know much about the rest of the Lords of Order and Chaos besides Nabu and Mordru.

We know they can be cardboard boxes and little girls see the sandman 😄

Nah, I didn't do it intentionally, but you try finding info on Nabu, it's friggin hard.
Also, there's a limit on how many words you can post, I left out more than half of the Vishanti text as well.

Vishanti

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Then you'd know his a Lord of Order, Mucho Mojo Marvelites😄
One Lord of order vs about 10 multiverse transcending abstracts, 3 of which are about as old as time itself. Hmmm...

Strange is easily more powerful than Fate.

<<Strange is easily more powerful than Fate>>

why?

I think a Strange/Fate fight would be close, but Strange just has way more to work with and is way more versatile.

And no, Nabu ain't beating the friggin Vishanti.
jeez.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Strange is easily more powerful than Fate>>

why?

Granted, the Helmet of Fate contains the spirit of a Lord of Order. However, to suggest that Nabu is equal, superior to, or even close to the combined power of Cyttorak, Wattomb, Agamotto, Hoggoth, Oshtur, Ragadoor, and the countless other entities whose power is at Strange's disposal is simply ridiculous.