Magneto Vs X-team

alright, storm could easily empower polsris's body while suffocating magneto. she had almost killed magneto before and the only reason he gained control over the lightning was because storm wasn't fighting for control over it. she was concentrating on didging colossus and keeping up the vortex/tornado which was killing magneto. storm can walk up to polaris, touch her neck and keep sending an ongoing electrical current through her bdy which she will keep absorbing into her body making her more powerful, while iceman keeps up a strong pocket of extremley cold air and snow around polaris because if the cold makes magneto more powerful, then it should to polaris. now polaris is being powered up by 2 of the most powerful mutants to ever walk the earth, and two omega-level mutants. she will be very, very powerful. now magneto has to fight off a very powerful polaris, iceman, and bishop while being suffocated by storm.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""I didn't say he took her powers *away*. I said that when Polaris cut off her power source that she was granting to Magneto willingly, he FORCED her to continuing being his power source by taking her power against her will. She couldn't stop him, despite 1)His being powerless and 2)It being her power. That right there shows he's on a whole other level.
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He wasnt taking away her energies he was merely sharing her access to the electromagnetic spectrum.

I already said he wasn't taking her powers AWAY. He was accessing her powers, first with her consent, and after she cut off access, he went ahead and forced it out of her. She was a wireless network with a firewall, and gave network-less Magneto the password to get through the firewall, then she decided to lock Magneto out of the network, so Magneto hacked it and she couldn't do anything to stop him.

Yeah magneto is more skilled im not debating that, but Polaris has improved and Magneto couldnt necessarily absorb the sheer amount of energy that would be being projected at him forceably from storm and polaris combined.

Why not? There's been no established limit to how much Magneto can absorb. He was able to absorb planetary levels of EM energy from the magnetosphere of the entire planet. I don't think he'll have trouble taking power from those two. Besides, why would he keep absorbing energy beyond his capacity to do so? It's like:

Storm and Polaris: Fusion-HA! I'm now Super Stolaris!
Magneto: Let me borrow some of that delicious energy you're outputting. Now I'm Super Duper Magneto!
Stolaris: Oh shit!

Or, better yet:

Storm: I'll power you up with lightning, Polaris! *starts shooting lightning*
Magneto: I'll take that if you don't mind
Storm: Goddess! My lightning! It's happening again!
Polaris: I'll save you, Storm!
Magneto: And some of that too.
Polaris: No, not again!

It would be painful to him. Theres a limit to how much he could take. This battle doesnt just feature Polaris. She wouldnt be able to defaet him but empowered by storm she would be able to hold her own and protect her friends from the effects of mags' powers while bishop and iceman attack magneto on different fronts.

Oh yeah, those two:

Magneto: Take a nap
Bishop: ok
Magneto: You too
Iceman: ok.

There. That's better.

But thats the point. It was his power that Zaladane had. She drained him of it leaving him with depleted energy reseves a gaping capacity as a result of Zaladanes tamperings so that he could easily accommodate the electromagnetic energies and comfortably at that because he wouldnt be pushing past his own natural limits but merely replenishing his depleted energy reserves.

What? What are you saying here? That Magneto purposely lost his power to her so he could accommodate her electromagnetic energies? All Magneto did here was absorb the energy back. He wasn't depleted. And besides, it wasn't just his energy she had. it was his energy, Polaris' energy and the energy she was processing from that thingofabob she created to absorb ALL EM energy. He absorbed his stuff back, and dispersed the rest, which is how Polaris got her energy back. It said nothing about Magneto having a limit. Also, the whole thing about Magneto having a limit beyond which he goes crazy was clearly retconned because he was vastly powered up beyond his "limit" in Fatal Attractions, with no ill effects to him.

Furthermore, as I said above, why would Magneto absorb beyond what he's comfortable with? He wouldn't need to. Excalibur Magneto as it stands is beyond Polaris even with the Storm power up. You yourself said so. He could power himself up just enough to put himself over the top and make it a walk in the park for him.

Zaladane had virtually no skill when it came to wielding those powers. I to have that issue. She couldnt even manipulate the enrgies to protect herself from a rock fall. Magneto was very weak but he was tremendously more skilled than Zal so he could easily rest the enrgies from her and could absorb them comfortably because he was so depleted.

I agree with the former point, but there's no proof that he'd be unable to absorb it at full power. When has he ever been overloaded? That's baseless speculation.

Just because he can absorb a lightning bolt of storms doesnt mean he can absorb when his reserves are well stocked (as is the assumption for all combatants) the combined energies of Storm and Polaris, two of the most powerful mutants on the planet.

Based on what precedent, GS?

It would be very naive to think that just because of his past battle with storm.

Why? He became a superconductor because of her. Where's your proof of his limits?

A well stocked Magneto just wouldnt be able to do i because he would be going severely past his natural limits and would burn himself out. He could not continually absorb power until he became cosmic Demi. I hope you dont think that lol.

He wouldn't need to. He'd absorb until he whooped their asses. And it wouldn't take much. lol.

His body wouldnt be able to cope with all that power on top of his own vast energies. It didnt work with Joseph because its not as easy as you think it is. Magnetos body is already home to vast energies and absorbing the odd lightning bolt or even barrage of lightning is fine but he wouldnt be able to simply absorb their combined energies like that he wouldnt be able to cope.

Based on....?

I dont think he'd fight like that either. He would defeat this empowered eventually Polaris through being more skilled with energy manipulating and possibly through being able to generate more energies veen than the two combined, however he would have to engage her properly in battle

Or he can take a page from the Joseph book and just hit her with a rock, lol.

he wouldnt be able to fight Bishop and Bobby at the same time.

Those two feebs again?

They would attack him also and their assault would be relentless. Bobby would just need a few seconds to apply a deep freeze, Magneto not knowing off Boobys new powers could underestimate him.

they're not new powers. Magneto has been with Xavier for the last six months as a friend. I'm pretty sure he knows about the latest on all the X-men.

Bishop would be a big problem as well. Together i still think they could defeat Magneto.

I don't. 😄

Originally posted by stormfront13
alright, storm could easily empower polsris's body while suffocating magneto. she had almost killed magneto before and the only reason he gained control over the lightning was because storm wasn't fighting for control over it. she was concentrating on didging colossus and keeping up the vortex/tornado which was killing magneto. storm can walk up to polaris, touch her neck and keep sending an ongoing electrical current through her bdy which she will keep absorbing into her body making her more powerful, while iceman keeps up a strong pocket of extremley cold air and snow around polaris because if the cold makes magneto more powerful, then it should to polaris. now polaris is being powered up by 2 of the most powerful mutants to ever walk the earth, and two omega-level mutants. she will be very, very powerful. now magneto has to fight off a very powerful polaris, iceman, and bishop while being suffocated by storm.

Storm clearly indicated that she was spending all her power trying to wrest control of the lightning back from Magneto. Magneto threw Colossus at Storm earlier on when she changed the air pressure on him. those are two different times. And Magneto was able to take Storm's lightning control away WHILE fighting the rest of the X-men. Not my fault Storm can't multi-task like Magneto can.

You're also missing an important point. If Storm and Iceman all focused on powering up Polaris, then those are two fewer people to actually fight Magneto. Magneto can mind-control both Bishop and Iceman to attack Storm and Polaris, or can mind-control Iceman to power Magneto up too.

Are there scenarios you can come up with where the team can get a win? Possibly, comic writers do it all the time. But there are FAR more scenarios in which this goes horribly, horribly wrong for them.

storm wasn't really concentrating on that lightning bolt, she was concentrating on suffocating magneto, and magneto tripled the power of the bolt so it wouild be even harder for her to. also you forget that when that happened storm had very little expierence doing stuff like that, but magneto had tons. and magneto was in a force-field, i would hardly count that as fighting the x-men . and that was a very long time ago, both are a lot stronger and more powerful now. all storm will have to do is touch polaris to power her up. if magneto wants to steal the energy then he will have to be touching polaris as well. magneto will also be doing all this while not being able to breath, kinda hard to defeat them all then hugh?

Just though I'd ask something. If Polaris was powered up by Storm, at all, wouldn't Magneto be able to just take it? Why wait for lightning?

Oh, and to add one more thing....demigawd is always right. =P
Hah, kidding...but not really 'cause I've never personally seen him wrong on these forums.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But isn't magnetism one of the fundamental forces in universe?

Originally posted by stormfront13
storm can walk up to polaris, touch her neck

to get the power-up from storm and polaris he will need to be touching them because storm is sending the currrent through lorna's body which lorna will absorb

Originally posted by stormfront13
to get the power-up from storm and polaris he will need to be touching them because storm is sending the currrent through lorna's body which lorna will absorb

well, that's the way it is lol

Magneto does like he did in Fatal attractions. He freezes them all, then kills them one at a time at his leisure.

Originally posted by stormfront13
storm wasn't really concentrating on that lightning bolt, she was concentrating on suffocating magneto, and magneto tripled the power of the bolt so it wouild be even harder for her to. also you forget that when that happened storm had very little expierence doing stuff like that, but magneto had tons. and magneto was in a force-field, i would hardly count that as fighting the x-men . and that was a very long time ago, both are a lot stronger and more powerful now. all storm will have to do is touch polaris to power her up. if magneto wants to steal the energy then he will have to be touching polaris as well. magneto will also be doing all this while not being able to breath, kinda hard to defeat them all then hugh?

No she wasn't. Those are two different times in the battle. And you're right, she IS more experienced now than before...and Magneto has gotten A LOT more powerful. He's grown more powerful than she has proportionately because he's had both natural and artificial powerups since then. And how can you say that Magneto's use of a forcefield doesn't count as fighting the X-men? Are you kidding me? lol.

All Storm has to do is touch Polaris to power her up? Just like that? hahaha...So now Storm is Loki, huh? *poof* "power up!" Now Polaris is more powerful than Magneto! Bull...

And I find that idea that Storm would power up Polaris by touch comical:

Storm: I'm going to touch you and make you stronger
Polaris: ok, but I'm flying to the right
Storm: I'll hang on to your neck to keep powering you up
Polaris: oh, wait, he's blasting in my direction
Storm: right or left? right or left?!?
Polaris: Right, no lef....*blast*

It's a little early in the thread to start with the desperate ideas, lol.

And I don't recall Magneto ever having to touch Polaris or Storm to take their powers, do you?

Originally posted by Timslar

Oh, and to add one more thing....demigawd is always right. =P
Hah, kidding...but not really 'cause I've never personally seen him wrong on these forums.

Damn skippy. 😉

And I find that idea that Storm would power up Polaris by touch comical:

^^why is it funny. storm sends an electrical current through lornas body, lorna will absorb it to become more powerful, it's an easy task.

It's a littlel early in the thread to start with the desperate ideas, lol.

^yeah, i'm hardly desperate.

And I don't recall Magneto ever having to touch Polaris or Storm to take their powers, do you?

^^storm shot at magneto, that let megneto having a fighting chance from an already weakened, concentrating on another task storm. here she won't evenb be shoting near magneto, the surge will be going through lorna's body, so magneto will have to touch polaris to even get the surge as well.

Originally posted by stormfront13
And I find that idea that Storm would power up Polaris by touch comical:

^^why is it funny. storm sends an electrical current through lornas body, lorna will absorb it to become more powerful, it's an easy task.

You're missing an important point, here. You don't just go "touch" *powerup*, it takes a long and sustained charge for there to be an effect. Is Storm going to hang on to Polaris for dear life while not using her power for anything else while dodging Magneto's attacks? C'mon, now. While Storm is sending currents or whatever through Polaris, Magneto skewers Storm and then takes out Polaris. Too easy.

^^storm shot at magneto, that let megneto having a fighting chance from an already weakened, concentrating on another task storm.

That's NOT how it happened. Read #112 again. She focused entirely on generating a blizzard that battered Magneto, but also made him a living superconductor. Storm was NOT concentrating on another task. She tended to Hank who was hurt with a static shock by Magneto, then she got up and realized she had to attack Magneto full power, and she did it by generating a blizzard that took Magneto by surprise and ALMOST knocked him unconscious but she held back at the last second. He took took control of the storm from her and knocked her out. So don't make excuses for Storm, especially since Magneto had A LOT more things to deal with at the same time than she did. Storm used her trump card and lost, he knows her measure now, so that's it for her.

here she won't evenb be shoting near magneto, the surge will be going through lorna's body, so magneto will have to touch polaris to even get the surge as well.

Well, like I said, Storm isn't going to be clinging to Polaris during the whole fight like some mutant Siamese twins powering her up while Polaris dodges all over the place. Secondly, Magneto controls EM energy. The very presence of it gives Magneto the ability to control it. Third, even if he couldn't do that...he could just take the power from Polaris directly, benefiting from her power up.

In any event, it never gets to that point because they'll all be DEAD before that kind of convoluted plan takes effect...

That's NOT how it happened. Read #112 again. She focused entirely on generating a blizzard that battered Magneto, but also made him a living superconductor. Storm was NOT concentrating on another task

^^oooohohhhh, lol I'm not talking about 112.

You're missing an important point, here. You don't just go "touch" *powerup*, it takes a long and sustained charge for there to be an effect. Is Storm going to hang on to Polaris for dear life while not using her power for anything else while dodging Magneto's attacks? C'mon, now. While Storm is sending currents or whatever through Polaris, Magneto skewers Storm and then takes out Polaris. Too easy.

polaris is able to absorb electricity to become more powerful, nothing is stopping her from becoming more powerful here while she absorbs storms lightning.

Secondly, Magneto controls EM energy. The very presence of it gives Magneto the ability to control it.

^^yeah he will be fighting a polaris that becomes more powerful by the second, iceman who is god-like, storm, and bishop, all at the same time while not being able to breath

Originally posted by stormfront13
That's NOT how it happened. Read #112 again. She focused entirely on generating a blizzard that battered Magneto, but also made him a living superconductor. Storm was NOT concentrating on another task

^^oooohohhhh, lol I'm not talking about 112.

What issue ARE you talking about, then?

polaris is able to absorb electricity to become more powerful, nothing is stopping her from becoming more powerful here while she absorbs storms lightning.

But you're saying that Storm is only going to do that by touching her. So, what, then? Are they going to cling to each other for dear life flying around like jackrabbits...that fly...while Magneto stands there, with Storm saying, "Hurry up! Absorb! Absorb!"? lol. It took an entire storm for Magneto to get more powerful, and storm isn't going to close the gap between Lorna and Magneto by hitting her with lightning a few times. If it were that easy, Magneto would just hit himself with lightning, lol.

In the amount of times that it takes Storm to latch on to Polaris and start charging her, Magneto turns Storm's body against her. Or mind controls her to stop. Or puts her to sleep. Or sucks her into a black hole. Or impales her with metal. Or roasts her with microwaves. Or whatever the Hell else he wants.

Secondly, Magneto controls EM energy. The very presence of it gives Magneto the ability to control it.

^^yeah he will be fighting a polaris that becomes more powerful by the second, iceman who is god-like, storm, and bishop, all at the same time while not being able to breath

If you were worried about Storm not being able to concentrate before, what's she going to do when trying to divide her attention between fighting Magneto and clinging to Polaris like Ellen Degeneres clings to Anne Heche? Bishop is easy meat, and Magneto can simply mind control Iceman into powering Magneto up too.

Nope...still not happening.

...Do I have to repeat myself? =P

What issue ARE you talking about, then?

^^the one where storm suffocated magneto

a big enough surge of electricity will make polaris stronger, it has happened in the past. magneto will have to be a fighting iceman, polaris, and storm while not being able to breath. it will be very hard to even use powers when your brain is getting no oxygen. the x-men will be putting up a good fight, which means magneto will exhaust himself quicker

Oh, I know what issue you're talking about - 113. Where the X-men ambush Magneto at his lair. Storm changed the air pressure on him, which made it harder for him to breathe (but not impossible to breath...it was like fighting at high altitudes), yes, but so what? He still handled them just fine, and this was a group that included PHOENIX, Colossus and Wolverine and Cyclops. No big deal.