Originally posted by jaden101
they are scummy terrorist insurrgent pigs and i hope they burn in a hot metal container under 10 suns for all eternity in hell
Funny that, because they believe that we are scummy oppressive westerners and hope WE burn in hell for all eternity.
You've not got that much of a different mentality.
-AC
Originally posted by PVS
ever hear of the geneva convention?torture is illegal. by allowing the torture of enemy soldiers we put our own soldiers at risk of equal or worse torture as retaliation.
Yes I have heard of the Geneva Convention. I'm not talking about torture. I'm talking about your statement of trials and innocent until proven guilty etc etc. I thinks it's silly for these war criminals to get all these American rights.
Originally posted by Echuu
Yes I have heard of the Geneva Convention. I'm not talking about torture. I'm talking about your statement of trials and innocent until proven guilty etc etc. I thinks it's silly for these war criminals to get all these American rights.
why is it silly? are we not spreading freedom©?
i guess the term 'freedom' is very loose once you step over
western boarders. again, why is it silly?
Originally posted by PVS
why is it silly? are we not spreading freedom©?
i guess the term 'freedom' is very loose once you step over
western boarders. again, why is it silly?
Because we are in war time! Why is that so hard to understand? Things need to be done quickly. Look at trials here in America and how people wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait.
Do you really want all that waiting when you got a bunch of people running around with bombs strapped to themselves trying to kill you in the name of Allah?
And now wait a minute. You are saying "are we not spreading freedom?" Then why do you have a problem Bush and with us being over there?
Originally posted by Echuu
Because we are in war time! Why is that so hard to understand? Things need to be done quickly. Look at trials here in America and how people wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait.Do you really want all that waiting when you got a bunch of people running around with bombs strapped to themselves trying to kill you in the name of Allah?
And now wait a minute. You are saying "are we not spreading freedom?" Then why do you have a problem Bush and with us being over there?
1-they were not strapping bombs to themselves, lets not generalise
2-wartime has rules, torture is against the rules. sure, we can opt to say 'f*** the rules' but the enemy has the option to do the same and then some, GET IT?
3-i have a problem with bush sending our troops there based on a lie.
i have a problem that he then covered up that lie as 'faulty intelligence' and changed the objective to 'spreading freedom and ending an oppressive torturous regime'...but then hauling off tens of thousands to prisons for years without being charged of a crime, allowing torture of prisoners....doing the same things that the old regime has done. we accomplished nothing and 1700+ american soldiers had to die for this. damn f***ing right i have a problem with this.
Originally posted by PVS
1-they were not strapping bombs to themselves, lets not generalise2-wartime has rules, torture is against the rules. sure, we can opt to say 'f*** the rules' but the enemy has the option to do the same and then some, GET IT?
3-i have a problem with bush sending our troops there based on a lie.
i have a problem that he then covered up that lie as 'faulty intelligence' and changed the objective to 'spreading freedom and ending an oppressive torturous regime'...but then hauling off tens of thousands to prisons for years without being charged of a crime, allowing torture of prisoners....doing the same things that the old regime has done. we accomplished nothing and 1700+ american soldiers had to die for this. damn f***ing right i have a problem with this.
1. I'm not talking about these particular insurgents. I'm saying in general that is a favorable tactic.
2. The problem is that the enemy we are fighting has NO regard for rules. And in fact in war rules are absent most of the time. As I said though, I'm not talking about torture. I'm talking about the rights you said these people should have like trial by jury etc.
3. What do you think of World War Two? 290,000 some troops died which was a large sacrifice but look at the results.
CUE***BUSH LIED BUSH LIED***
Regardless I still think this battleground is a necessary part in restoring peace in the world; lie or not.
Originally posted by Echuu
Are there still people who think everything the U.S. does is crap? 😐I mean really, it's like almost every thread in KMC that has to do with Iraq is anti-Bush lie lie lie.
Everything Bush does IS crap, but this war is an oil hunt. It is so naive to think that USA is trying to liberate (???)
You want to liberate people? Why isnt USA attacking and bombing the shit out of Saudi Arabia?
Originally posted by Echuu
Are there still people who think everything the U.S. does is crap? 😐I mean really, it's like almost every thread in KMC that has to do with Iraq is anti-Bush lie lie lie.
Basically everything the U.S. have done in this war has been crap. People still die, people still get tortured...It was basically the exact same with Saddam Hussein in charge.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Everything Bush does IS crap, but this war is an oil hunt. It is so naive to think that USA is trying to liberate (???)You want to liberate people? Why isnt USA attacking and bombing the shit out of Saudi Arabia?
So people have said.
This is ironic...If it were an oil hunt we WOULD be attacking and bombing the ---- out of Saudi Arabia seeing as they have more oil than Iraq.
Originally posted by JimMorrison227
Basically everything the U.S. have done in this war has been crap. People still die, people still get tortured...It was basically the exact same with Saddam Hussein in charge.
a blatent truth somehow overlooked by bush worshippers. i swear, bush can knock on their front doors and say "your mother must die" and they would throw her out the door and yell "take the b!tch!!!"
Originally posted by PVS
a blatent truth somehow overlooked by bush worshippers. i swear, bush can knock on their front doors and say "your mother must die" and they would throw her out the door and yell "take the b!tch!!!"
Ya if Bush were to accuse their mother of being a terrorist, they would probably be the one to kill her.
Originally posted by PVS
a blatent truth somehow overlooked by bush worshippers. i swear, bush can knock on their front doors and say "your mother must die" and they would throw her out the door and yell "take the b!tch!!!"
I would have to agree with you on that. But as for being a worshipper I am not.
I am a little more wary of Bush but I have yet to be convinced that Iraq is crap.
what will it take to convince you?
or should i say, what do you think was accomplished?
you think we live in a safer world now? tell that to the british.
think iraqi people are free? refer to this article, articles on the mistreatment of illegaly held prisoners at guantanimo bay. think there was a 'smoking gun' that could come to america 'in the form of a mushroom cloud'? think our troops are fighting for freedom? who's freedom? not ours, not iraq's...so who's? why are we there?
can you tell me that?
the only way people wil be convinced of how useless and counterproductive this war was is when we are attacked again.
then the uselessness and needless waste of lives will be fully realised....but then again....naaaaaa. it will just be blamed on "dem damn liberals" because their questioning of bush's policy was somehow to blame.
its amazing how conservatives seem to remain clean no matter what the case. if we are not attacked it will be because bush and company kept us safe. if we are attacked, its because the liberals interfered with 'progress' by questioning.
the conservative leader is the rooster who is worshipped for causing the sun to rise, while the liberal is the goat who is beaten to death for causing the drought.
Originally posted by Echuu
I would have to agree with you on that. But as for being a worshipper I am not.
I am a little more wary of Bush but I have yet to be convinced that Iraq is crap.
Nothing good has happend for Iraq, since they we're invaded. Everything is the same, people die, people get tortured. But what is different with the invasion, it is not only Iraq people that are dying, it is also Americans.
Originally posted by Echuu
So people have said.This is ironic...If it were an oil hunt we WOULD be attacking and bombing the ---- out of Saudi Arabia seeing as they have more oil than Iraq.
Whos talking about oil? Im talking about violation of human rights and opression of women as well as people by Saudi Royals. Wheres America?