Current Uber-fied Scarlet Witch vs Phoenix

I'm trying to figure out her place in the order of things.

You do realise this will prolly lead to GS giving us another dissertation on the power of Phoenix don't you 😄? Phoenix is beyond uberfied SW, although SW is very powerful now.

Indeed, I realize GS will have a go, kinda like whenever someone mentions Champion, I'll be there to say how hard he owns. 😄

I like GS, I was hoping GS or some others would put ye olde SW in perspective.

I mean, didn't SW effect phoenix here? Forced her to go w/psylock to the white room, I think.

Is Thanos > SW? Galactus> SW?

Potentially spoiler stuff so...

Spoiler:
Actually I think Jamie Braddock pulled his sister and Rachel into the White Hot Room? He's powerful but not that powerful in the grand scheme of things is he? He could be immune due to his own reality warping powers... complicated 😕

SW didn't affect the White Hot Room so she can't really do anything to the Phoenix if I understand correctly. But Roma does say that if Wanda keeps doing what she's doing "left unchecked all creation will merge into a single formless amorphous conceptual blob" and that "concepts of order and chaos will simply cease", though dunno if she meant the abstracts, and "it will be the end of rational existence as we know it"

So Phoenix>SW is the only definite thing I know about her place in the MU.

I see......I just don't.....buy it.

She's a mutant, how is this possible? It makes no sense to me, I mean really, why didn't Reed just use his Mutant power nullifier on her?

Either something really complicated is happening(Mephisto's reality shards from Wandas "kids"😉 or just rushed writing.

"Rushed writing", LP? Are you implying that Marvel was scared of the Crisis coming?

Yup, exactly my thoughts.

The Crisis had Marvel shitting thier pants, and I would too if I were them.

I'm not anti-DC, as a lot of people think, I like DC, my man Slade is there! Not to mention Lobo.

Scarlet Witch isn't able to affect reality on this level on her own. She's a reality warper. But her power combines with Magneto in a way that extends beyond what Magneto described as "causality" into the realm of both causality (her specialty) and the physical world (his specialty), to transcend reality warping into genuine reality manipulation. Their power, according to Roma, isn't just affecting the universe (like the IG or the HOTU), it's affecting the omniverse. So while it may not exceed the X-universe's definition of Phoenix, it may well exceed the IG or even HOTU.

Originally posted by demigawd
Scarlet Witch isn't able to affect reality on this level on her own. She's a reality warper. But her power combines with Magneto in a way that extends beyond what Magneto described as "causality" into the realm of both causality (her specialty) and the physical world (his specialty), to transcend reality warping into genuine reality manipulation. Their power, according to Roma, isn't just affecting the universe (like the IG or the HOTU), it's affecting the omniverse. So while it may not exceed the X-universe's definition of Phoenix, it may well exceed the IG or even HOTU.

indeed dear child

Originally posted by demigawd
Scarlet Witch isn't able to affect reality on this level on her own. She's a reality warper. But her power combines with Magneto in a way that extends beyond what Magneto described as "causality" into the realm of both causality (her specialty) and the physical world (his specialty), to transcend reality warping into genuine reality manipulation. Their power, according to Roma, isn't just affecting the universe (like the IG or the HOTU), it's affecting the omniverse. So while it may not exceed the X-universe's definition of Phoenix, it may well exceed the IG or even HOTU.

I'm almost certain Wanda isn't doing this all by herself either but... I'm still more inclined to believe uberfied Wanda's powers are the main cause of HoM, and that it's her using/boosting Magneto's (and Xavier's) power and not vice versa 😛 Magneto causing this type of physical distortion of the omniverse?

She is not the piddly hex bolt hurling SW that she used to be, she can remake/rewrite reality, ie space and time subconsciously. She remade her children and Vision until Xavier snapped her out of it. The Sorceror Supreme's magic and the most skilled (because he isn't the most powerful anymore) telepathic mind on Earth couldn't hold her.

I'm curious... all the references to Magneto having control over the physical world to the extent of being able to create wormholes, are they both from Excalibur v2 #8 i.e. the wormhole to Wanda and the wormhole back. I don't recall him having that magnitude of power over the physical world before. But I'm guessing I'm the only one who suspects that Wanda was boosting his power and this display was more an indication of SW's impending power upgrade than Magneto suddenly manifesting an ability to create wormholes that he hasn't displayed before.

Only time will tell I guess...

(If he has displayed this ability multiple times at some other point then I retract my musings... for now 😄 )

Were you referring to Xavier when you said that he isn't the most powerful telepath anymore? If so, who is? Just curious.

lol yeh I think he's been supplanted. I dunno do you think he's still the most powerful?

I do, yes. Honestly, to me at least, X-men wouldn't be X-men if that weren't true.

There are mutant psionics more powerful than him due to having tk as well such as cable and rachel however he is still the most powerful telepath to my knowledge. Cable still has a lot of learning to do in terms of telepathy. It was only a few years back that Jean was teaching him about psionic warfare. I could be wrong but its still stated in comics in recent times.

Well yea, I don't mind there being more powerful all-around psionics, because he doesn't do telekinesis. But I still stand by what I say that he is the most poweful telepath there is.

Quentin Quire...

I must say this 'House of M' crap is the best thing I've seen in a LOOOOOONG ass time from Marvel.

What I'm wondering is how Wanda got so powerful? I know about her Hex power, then later on her Chaos power, but the only Earthborn character we know of who can do something like this is Franklin Richards. I hope this is explained in full, and I hope that there is another hand in play here rather than just Magneto. Since all of reality is affected, maybe we'll be treated to some old faces and events again...Apocalypse, Thanos, the coming of Galactus...I hope they have the time to squeeze them in.

As for speculating on Wanda vs. Phoenix, it's waaaaaaaaay too early to tell.

wasn't the guy who gave wanda her hex powers mephisto? does anyone think he has something to do with this? because wanda was original;ly supposed to be like her father(energy manipulating mutant), but mephisto tampered w/ her powers.

Wanda's Hex power is her mutation.

I won't dismiss you rudely, cause bringing Mephisto into this actually sounds interesting...cause he's one of the most intriguing characters in the MU.

Where did you get this information?

Well, we found out later on that she doesn't even have hex or chaos magic powers, because they don't exist. She's been using something different all along. A mutant power than can't be explained, or possibly not a mutant power at all.

I do think it has something to do with Mephisto, I hope to see him in the series sometime soon.